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Jades

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Nov 2012, 19:41    Post subject:  

grump wrote:
Jades - Try defragging before you try a new puup version.


I did, several times, together with a couple of full error scans too just in case it was something to do with the drive. Didn't make a difference. There was also plenty of space on the drive (some 40GB) and the save itself always passed an fsck.

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Nov 2012, 19:43    Post subject:  

Sigmund

Can you please get me a kernel log of the failed internet connection. Follow the procedure I outlined earlier then run dmesg > somefile.gz.

Thank you.

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Nov 2012, 20:06    Post subject:  

Jades,

Try this to cure your save file issues.
Initially boot Puppy and reboot to make a save file.
Make a save file before you do anything but very basic settings.
Do not install any program packages before you have made a save file and have booted using it.

The reason for this is several things.
Until you have a save file anything you do is in memory only. With 512 MB of memory, program packages, of some size, can eat it all up just to download and install. A pet package, in the process of download and install, will use about 3 times the needed installed space.
The downloaded compressed pet file, the uncompressed pet file contents, and finally the installed package.
After the install is complete, you may still have the downloaded pet file along with the installed package taking up space.

So good rule for Puppy is to make a save file and be booted using it before doing any package installs.

The other thing is, installs will look like they are being done OK even if memory fills up during the install process.

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Nov 2012, 21:37    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
Try this to cure your save file issues.
Initially boot Puppy and reboot to make a save file.
Make a save file before you do anything but very basic settings.


Funnily enough, that was one of the very first things I thought of checking, just before defragmenting and error-checking the drive. The save files were always 512MB and the total of the very few downloaded pets was barely 20MB. Space in the save, or the destination partition, wasn't the issue.

Just to be thorough, I've defragmented the drive again before creating a new save. This time I only did the basic setup, didn't install anything and with the exception of giving the file a name accepted all of the default options when creating the save. Same problems as before.

The ironic thing about this is that the installation which has benefited the most from trying to get to the bottom of this is actually the XP install! Not only is it well-and-truly defragmented, I also finally noticed I'd forgotten to grow the NTFS partition to the full size of the drive after I had to do a wipe and reinstall (my XP disc is pre-SP2 and the partition size limit of NTFS used to be 128GB).

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Nov 2012, 21:46    Post subject:  

Ok, thanks Jades

There is definitely some bug where the save file is created but not being mounted to save the session. It's possibly a timing issue. I think I'm onto it so if you can bear with me for a couple of days I'll post some shutdown scripts that attempt to fix the problem. You will be able to install them pfix=ram. Stay tuned.

BTW, did the new carl9170 firmware improve your wifi at all? It is in the 5.3.7.1 build.

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Nov 2012, 22:00    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
Ok, thanks Jades


My pleasure, as always.

01micko wrote:
There is definitely some bug where the save file is created but not being mounted to save the session. It's possibly a timing issue.


Hmm, that could be it. The HDD is a SATA device, the USB memory keys were connected to USB 2 ports. There's quite a difference in transfer speed there, could explain why I didn't see the problem on the latter devices.

01micko wrote:
I think I'm onto it so if you can bear with me for a couple of days I'll post some shutdown scripts that attempt to fix the problem. You will be able to install them pfix=ram. Stay tuned.


I'll keep an eye out. May be busy the next couple of days though, got a model railway show on.

01micko wrote:
BTW, did the new carl9170 firmware improve your wifi at all? It is in the 5.3.7.1 build.


TBH, I haven't extensively tested it yet as I've been concentrating on the save file issue. It does connect and seems to run at a good speed but I haven't been running sessions long enough to see if there's a return of the problem.

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Nov 2012, 15:23    Post subject:  

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PostPosted: Fri 09 Nov 2012, 15:38    Post subject: Slacko - beta4 [5.4]
Subject description: 5371 pae on hp desktop pc
 

Running from the live dvd with a save file.

Report Video 1.4-Fri 9 Nov 2012 on Slacko Puppy 5.3.7.1 - Linux 3.4.17-PAE i686
Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller:nVidiaCorporationGT216 [GeForce GT 220](rev a2)
oem: NVIDIA
product: GT216 Board - 0682vb12 Chip Rev
X Server: Xorg Driver used: nvidia
X.Org version: 1.12.3
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (411x263 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes
OpenGL
Vendor NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer GeForce GT 220/PCIe/SSE2
Version 3.3.0 NVIDIA 304.64
Direct Rendering Yes
# glxgears
307 frames in 5.0 seconds = 61.234 FPS
304 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.622 FPS
305 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.867 FPS
Computer
Processor 2x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500 @ 2.20GHz
Memory 4100MB (182MB used)

No problems so far.
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Nov 2012, 08:02    Post subject: Slacko - beta4 [5.4]
Subject description: slacko 5371 non pae on hp desktop pc
 

I did a manual frugal install of 5371_4g to a usb 3.0 hard drive.

Report Video 1.4-Sat 10 Nov 2012 on Slacko Puppy 5.3.7.1 - Linux 3.2.33-4g i686

Chip description:
2.0 VGA compatible controller:IntelCorporation Ivy Bridge Graphics Controller
(rev 09)
oem: Intel(R) Sandybridge/Ivybridge Graphics Chipset Accelerated VGA BIOS
product:Intel(R)Sandybridge/Ivybridge Graphics Controller Hardware Version0.0

X Server: Xorg Driver used: intel

X.Org version: 1.12.3
dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (507x285 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

# glxgears
300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.965 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.000 FPS
300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.996 FPS

Computer
Processor 4x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3550 CPU @ 3.30GHz
Memory 3523MB (139MB used)
Version
Kernel Linux 3.2.33-4g (i686)
Compiled #1 SMP Fri Nov 2 20:42:54 EST 2012
OpenGL
Vendor Tungsten Graphics, Inc
Renderer Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ivybridge Desktop x86/MMX/SSE2
Version 2.1 Mesa 8.0.4
Direct Rendering Yes
xHCI Host Controller
USB 3.0 Desktop HD
Network controller Ralink corp. Device 5390

It's working well, I'm trying out fluxbox 1.3.2 for something to do Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 11 Nov 2012, 02:45    Post subject:  

Finally got a few minutes...... Slacko 5.3.7.1-ff live cd w/ savefile on NTFS partition.

No problems yet.....things appear to be fine ootb.

# report-video
Report Video 1.4 - Sun 11 Nov 2012 on Slacko Puppy 5.3.7.1 - Linux 3.2.33-4g i686

Chip description:
d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2)
oem: NVIDIA
product: MCP61 - mcp61-86 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver used: nouveau

X.Org version: 1.12.3
dimensions: 1366x768 pixels (361x203 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
# glxgears
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 30
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 30
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 55
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 56
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 59
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 58
nvfx_screen_get_param:95 - Warning: unknown PIPE_CAP 30
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
5521 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1104.043 FPS
6020 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1203.780 FPS
6010 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1201.690 FPS
6042 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1208.153 FPS
6041 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1208.026 FPS
6044 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1208.498 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : 4x AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor
Memory : 2853MB (210MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sun 11 Nov 2012 12:45:10 AM CST
-Display-
Resolution : 1366x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on NV4C
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Nov 2012, 15:48    Post subject:  

James C wrote:
Finally got a few minutes...... Slacko 5.3.7.1-ff live cd w/ savefile on NTFS partition.


Is that save on an NTFS partition a brand-new one created in 5.3.7.1 or one created in an earlier version of Slacko but upgraded? As I've reported above, I've been having trouble creating saves on NTFS partitions but I was using the non-PAE Opera version of 5.3.7.1.

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PostPosted: Mon 12 Nov 2012, 16:20    Post subject:  

Jades,

The FF (firefox) version is identical to the the version you use, (ie NON PAE) except for the browser. James is using a significantly faster machine though.

I haven't had much time to look at your bug but it might even fix itself with the addition of the gconv-modules.cache. I'll post a pet that should be used pfix=ram in your case.

It does speed up many glibc related processes, which is nearly everything!
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Nov 2012, 19:57    Post subject:  

Jades wrote:
James C wrote:
Finally got a few minutes...... Slacko 5.3.7.1-ff live cd w/ savefile on NTFS partition.


Is that save on an NTFS partition a brand-new one created in 5.3.7.1 or one created in an earlier version of Slacko but upgraded? As I've reported above, I've been having trouble creating saves on NTFS partitions but I was using the non-PAE Opera version of 5.3.7.1.


Yes, a totally new savefile on a recently defragmented NTFS partition.

I generally don't mix NTFS and Linux but this is testing........... Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Nov 2012, 23:06    Post subject: Re: Slacko-5.3.5.3  

sszindian wrote:
Slacko-5.3.5.3

Tried installing pwidgets... both 2.3.8-pr20 and 2.4.0
Both installed and worked OK except both will not show the 'weather icons' (just a small rectangle box appears.)

Me too. Evil or Very Mad

I've been trying slacko5371 (beautiful job Micko, works perfect for me in every way except this one.

Never being one to let cluelessness stand in my way I decided to fix it. Rolling Eyes I started by subbing in other fonts in pdingobats place in the weather widget and they worked but giving letters in place of pictures. So I figured it has to be a problem with pdingobats, right?

Fearlessly I downloaded Fontforge from the PPM and set to work. (BTW you need the devx file loaded to get it working). 300 items on the menus, I think I figured out about 10 of them Confused , but that was enough. I now have pdingobats2.ttf which works with Slacko5371! Very Happy Mind you I only know it works for cloudy skies and snow. May have to wait awhile to see the other icons. Wink

I've made pdingobats2-0.01.pet which I will upload over in the Pwidgets thread with instructions. Will link back to this thread after I have it done.

Cheers, J

Note: See here for the .pet and instructions.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Nov 2012, 23:59    Post subject:  

Nice job jrb Smile

You think the original author would have fixed it eh? Lazy so'n'so he is!

Did you find the original .pfd file? It's buried somewhere in this forum.

Anyhow, I guess we can have pwidgets-2.4.1 in the repo now. I'm amazed that the ancient conky still works.

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