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Ted - cutdown version
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technosaurus


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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jul 2010, 00:38    Post subject:  Ted - cutdown version  

Ted's devs certainly put function over form - works great - looks like @$$
(it doesn't even have an icon or menu entry - just type Ted in a terminal for now)
dependencies are gtk2, tiff, xpm and xft
http://www.nllgg.nl/Ted/
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Ted is a text processor running under X Windows on Unix/Linux systems. Ted was developed as a standard easy word processor, having the role of Wordpad on MS-Windows. Since then, Ted has evolved to a real word processor that still has the same easy appearance as the original. The possibility to type a letter, a note or a report on a Unix/Linux machine is clearly missing. Only too often, you have to turn to MS-Windows machine to write a letter or a document. Ted was made to make it possible to edit rich text documents on Unix/Linux in a wysiwyg way. RTF files from Ted are fully compatible with MS-Word. Additionally, Ted also is an RTF to PostScript and an RTF to Acrobat PDF converter.

Compatibility with popular MS-Windows applications played an important role in the design of Ted. Every document produced by Ted fully compatible with MS-Word without any loss of formatting or information. Compatibility in the other direction is more difficult to achieve. Ted supports many of the formatting features of the Microsoft applications. Other formatting instructions and meta information are ignored.1 By ignoring unsupported formatting Ted tries to get the complete text of a document on screen or to the printer. Ted can be used to read formatted e-mail sent from a Windows machine to Unix, to print an RTF document, or to convert it to Acrobat PDF format.
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vovchik


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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jul 2010, 08:01    Post subject:  

Dear technosaurus,

Thanks for alerting us to this app. It has potential. At the moment, after a cursory examination, I see no borders on tables, but pngs import fine. Also, printing to CUPS-PDF doesn't seem to work. If the coding is OK, however, it wouldn't take much to improve this animal.

The reason I am interested is that Abiword made a real mess out of the EU CV form I was trying to help somebody with yesterday. OO did the job just fine, but it is huge. Softoffice's Textmaker also did the right thing. All of Abi's problems seem to stem from the erroneous handling of tables.

With kind regards,
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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jul 2010, 22:31    Post subject:  

The last time that I looked at Ted was version 2.14. At that time it was primarily a Xlib/Lesstif app with the statement that GTK support was primitive.

So, I compiled the latest 2.21 in Spup.

Yuck, GTK support is still awful. Dialogs are terrible.

No PNG support, although there is supposed to be. -- when I inserted a png, nothing appeared, but a jpeg image inserted ok.

Inserted a table ...hmmm, you wouldn't know a table is there until something is put in it.

Enough, I've got other things to do.

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gerry

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Jul 2010, 03:19    Post subject:  

Back in the days of Puppy 3, I could not get Abiword to print to my "real Canon driver because Gutenprint didn't have one" printer. So I used the Ted 2.14 pet that was available- worked perfectly. Ted was undoubtedly a very simple thing, but it did what it said on the tin. Then I found that 2.17 was available from nluug, so I installed that- yuk! They'd ruined it, it didn't work anymore, was ugly, etc, etc- I gave up on it.

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Ibidem

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PostPosted: Sat 19 Feb 2011, 00:46    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
Yuck, GTK support is still awful. Dialogs are terrible.

No PNG support, although there is supposed to be. -- when I inserted a png, nothing appeared, but a jpeg image inserted ok.

Inserted a table ...hmmm, you wouldn't know a table is there until something is put in it.

Tables? Go to Tables>Draw Table Grid
PNG works here, Ubuntu 10.04

No undo.
Dialogs certainly are awful, though...and if someone ended this business of a spare window at startup, I wouldn't mind.
I find it handles rtf tables much better than abiword, though--https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/abiword/+bug/719764
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PostPosted: Tue 08 May 2012, 23:14    Post subject:  

FYI:
Ted has been updated to 2.22.
Among other things, Undo-Redo support is new.

Seems to work nicely.
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charlie6

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PostPosted: Sat 08 Sep 2012, 01:33    Post subject: issues on 2.22  

Hi,
Here 2.22 vesion looks worse than 2.21; 2.22 looks more as a Ted's redesign than only a fix of 2.21 (the binary is ca. 1MB bigger). So it might need some further fixes.

feedbacks from testers would be appreciated ! thanks in advance ! ...=> just to know if issues are repetitive, and if they can be reproduced elsewhere.

Using the Ted-2.22 debian archive,on dpup Expprimo, here have the following problems or issues:
1- when saving a new document, «you cannot save this document» error message is displayed; ==> no way to save the document.
2- dialog box "Format tool" size display is reduced;
3- Ted hangs up while editing a Header (or footer), when the mouse cursor reaches the dooted line frame ; console message tells «segmentation fault»;

Ibidem wrote:
FYI:
Ted has been updated to 2.22.
Among other things, Undo-Redo support is new.

Seems to work nicely.


I tried this:
- recompilation on dpup exprimo using all the deps mentionned on the Ted website:
result a) = #2 above is fixed if Ted is running only with build dependencies still installed; if not issue #2 above is unchanged.
result b) = #1 fixed thanks to developpers Mark de Does new tedSaveDocument.c script (June 25th 2012) ; this is not yet included in the available versions on Ted website (latest revison is april 4th 2012).
result c) = no change on issue #3

conclusions:
0- many thanks to Mark de Does for this IMHO «awesome» size-versus-quality and userfriendlyness combination - (here don't use Abiword anymore ..).
1- one of the compilation's dependencies (about 30 ...) tends to fix issue #2 but do not know yet which of them !
2- I gave up further testing; and hope for an answer to my PM from Mark.
I still keep using Ted 2.21.
3- other alternatives (Softmaker 2008 or latest beta 30 days demo ..fast start but looks slow at text editing / LibreOffice => 600MB installed !)

Thanks in advance for any advice !
Charlie
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PostPosted: Sat 08 Sep 2012, 01:58    Post subject:  

I build things different than most ... enough to account for most of the size difference probably. I prefer softmaker 08 to the beta for when I have to view a ppt btw, plus its lighter (i think they shifted from qt3 to qt4 ... Same reason I still prefer opera9.27 and the older scribus) Abiword is still useful as a basic document conversion tool when built properly (i wish it had a no GUI option... Good project for someone wanting to learn C++)
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PostPosted: Wed 05 Dec 2012, 01:47    Post subject:  

technosaurus wrote:
I build things different than most ... enough to account for most of the size difference probably. I prefer softmaker 08 to the beta for when I have to view a ppt btw, plus its lighter (i think they shifted from qt3 to qt4 ... Same reason I still prefer opera9.27 and the older scribus) Abiword is still useful as a basic document conversion tool when built properly (i wish it had a no GUI option... Good project for someone wanting to learn C++)

I presume http://www.abisource.com/wiki/AbiCommand isn't what you want?

Also: (Ted/Motif) if you set the X resource
Code:

Ted.showTableGrid: 1

it turns table display on by default.
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PostPosted: Wed 05 Dec 2012, 02:26    Post subject:  

Ibidem wrote:
I presume http://www.abisource.com/wiki/AbiCommand isn't what you want?
I knew all about abicommand, but you still have to build it with the gui, there is no way to disable building abiword and make it command line only ... they don't separate all of the interface code from the functional code, so to disable it would require a huge nest of #ifdefs so that it could build abicommand with glib only and no gtk, but they also use a lot of gtk functions that would need to be replaced with glib equivalents or specialized code. It would make for a good GSOC project, since it would be a good web server tool
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PostPosted: Mon 27 May 2013, 15:40    Post subject: Ted-2.23 is out  

Hi,
Ted-2.23 is out since a few months ...
many issues have been fixed ! Cool
to be downloaded following this link:

http://www.nllgg.nl/Ted/

cheers, Charlie
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