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icake

Joined: 26 Jul 2012
Posts: 185

PostPosted: Wed 12 Dec 2012, 22:43    Post_subject:  Chinese Language Pets
Sub_title: Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese pets
 

For your convenience, I have added:

1. an index for all postings under this subject in an pdf file:
140831_Chinese Language_Pets_Posting_index_100多個icake中文包帖的索引.pdf
in the documentation folder below.

2. all the download addresses for the Puppy Chinese Language Pets / documentations / tools / here:

Simplified Chinese Pets 简体中文包: http://sdrv.ms/10iH0Mw
http://pan.baidu.com/s/1sjlpIRN
Traditional Chinese Pets 繁體中文包: http://sdrv.ms/YWXibx
http://pan.baidu.com/s/1dDowci1
Universal Half-Chinese Pets 萬用半中文包: http://sdrv.ms/YWXOGn
http://pan.baidu.com/s/1pJjrVGR
Documentations / User Manuals pdf 中文包參考文件 / 使用手册 :http://sdrv.ms/18e4qYh
http://pan.baidu.com/s/1ngmlg
Other Applications/ Additional pets 其他應用程式 / 額外芭比包:http://sdrv.ms/18tY2vX
http://pan.baidu.com/s/1jG0xenG
Linkage to the Chinese Language pets news that I have posted in Puppy Chinese Linux (中文 Puppy Linux 开发者之家):
http://www.minilinux.net/node/2545

These Chinese Language pets can handle the following versions of English Puppy Linux:

After installed one of these Chinese Language pets, you will have:
1. for universal half-Chinese pets, a Chinese Language Input Platform
2. for Chinese Language pets, a Chinese Language Input Platform and a Chinese desktop
3. Chinese word file wqy-microhei.ttf

Chinese Input Platforms include fcitx and SCIM
The names of fcitx pets have "fx" or "fcitx",version used is fcitx 4.2.0. Each has 5 Chinese Input Methods:
谷歌并音、并音、 双并、五笔字形、新酷音

The names of SCIM pets have "sm" or "SCIM",version used is SCIM 1.4.7 (1.4.9 for 64 bit). Each has 22 Chinese Input Methods:
智能拼音、二笔、二笔-青松、五笔字型、自然码、吴语注音法、交换码、仓颉大字集、仓颉第三代、仓颉第五代、大易、广东并音、注音、注音大字集、港式广东话、笔顺五码、简易、粤语并音、行列30、轻松大词库、速成、新酷音

Last updated on Oct 23, 2013
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For the past few years, I have picked an English Puppy Linux one at a time and made a pair of Chinese Language pets, one in Traditional Chinese and one for Simplified Chinese.

After applying the language pet, you will have:

1. full Chinese desktop
2. Chinese font wqy-microhei.ttf
3. SCIM Chinese Input Method with 21 Chinese Input Methods (16 Traditional Chinese and 5 Simplified Chinese)

Initially I just did this for fun and kept them for my own use. Since July 2012, I have put these Chinese Language pets for public sharing here:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=F042EC1C9DF3CFE7!108

The total number of Chinese Language pets I made so far has exceeded 30 and 26 of them are still in the above address for public sharing.

These 26 pets are targeted for the following 13 version of English Puppy:

carolina-001
lupu_528
Macpup_528
Precise-5.4.2
Precise-5.4.1
Precise-5.4
pup-431
qrky140
qrky130
racy-5.3
wary-5.3
slacko-5.4
slacko-5.3.3

I have also put together some brief documentation about how to use these Chinese language pets and user tips. These are available in the above address in English, Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese.

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icake

Joined: 26 Jul 2012
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PostPosted: Fri 14 Dec 2012, 14:53    Post_subject: Chinese Language Pets
Sub_title: Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese Language Pets
 

To help new comers to Puppy, here are more information about how to use the above Chinese language pets.

Download an English Puppy Linux below:

1. For carolina-002; http://smokey01.com/carolina/isos/lina-002.iso 382 mb

2. For lupu-528, pup-431, slacko-5.4, 5.33, 2 websites:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/ or
http://ftp.nluug.nl/ftp/pub/os/Linux/distr/puppylinux/

lupu-528
/puppy-5.2.8/lupu-528.005.iso 132.6 mb

pup-431
/puppy-4.3.1/pup-431.iso 104.9 mb

slacko-5.4
in folder /puppy-5.4/
slacko-5.4-opera-4g.iso 155.1 mb
slacko-5.4-opera-PAE.iso 155.9 mb
slacko-5.4-opera-firefox-4g.iso 161.6 mb
slacko-5.4-forefox-4g.iso 102.0 mb

slacko-5.3.3
in folder /puppy-5.3.3/
slacko-5.3.3-4g-SCSI.iso 115.2 mb
slacko-5.3.3-highmem-PAE-SCSI.iso 115.3 mb

3. For macpup
http://iso.linuxquestions.org/download/1418/4583/http/macpup.org/Macpup_528.iso 164 mb

4. For precise 5.4.2, 5.4.1, 5.4, quirky-140, racy-5.3, wary-5.3
http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky

precise-5.4
/precise-5.4/precise-5.4.iso 157.5 mb

precise-5.4.1
/precise-5.4.1/precise-5.4.1.iso 165.2 mb

precise-5.4.2
/precise-5.4.2/precise-5.4.2.iso 165.6 mb

quirky-140
/quirky-1.4/qrky-140.iso 123.7 mb

racy-5.3
/racy-5.3/racy-5.3.iso 112.8 mb

wary-5.3
/wary-5.3/wary-5.3.iso 136.7 mb

Run the English Puppy Linux on your computer. You can do it in several ways:

a. on a virtual machine (e.g. using VMware workstation)
b. burn the iso to a CD, DVD or usb flash and run it as a live CD, DVD or usb flash
c. full install on your hard disk (linux files are stored in a separate partition on your hard disk)
d. frugal install on your hard disk (linux files are stored in existing Windows partition)

Details of these methods can be found on the web.

Once you are in English Puppy, you can then left click on the same version of Chinese Language pet file to install it. After the install process has finished, restart X windows by selecting Menu / Shutdown / Restart X windows. As X restarts, the desktop will be cleared. When the desktop comes back, you will get a Chinese localized desktop.
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vicmz


Joined: 15 Jan 2012
Posts: 1143

PostPosted: Fri 14 Dec 2012, 15:29    Post_subject:  

Hello icake Very Happy

You can make links clickable by typing:

Code:
[url]http://yourlink.com[/url]


You can put a title to the link by doing this (for example):

Code:
[url=http://yourlink.com]Chinese language pack[/url]


In the forum post editor there is a URL button that will help you doing this. Then users will quickly access to your websites and online files by just clicking rather than copying and pasting in the address bar. All links will open in new tabs.

***EDIT***
Sorry, I tried to make your link clickable but it doesn't work: [url=http://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=F042EC1C9DF3CFE7!108]Chinese language pets[/url]

Now I understand why you can't post links properly, it seems the forum doesn't support https or special characters for links.

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OB Precise 14.07.26 Woof-CE|Puppy Linux en español
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icake

Joined: 26 Jul 2012
Posts: 185

PostPosted: Thu 20 Dec 2012, 05:15    Post_subject: Chinese Language Pets
Sub_title: Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese pets
 

Puppy Linux Precise 5.4 was first released on Oct 22. Up to now there are 3 bug fix releases:

5.4.1 on Nov 9
5.4.2 on Nov 30
5.4.3 on Dec 17

I have prepared a pair of Chinese Language pets (Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese) for each of these.

During my latest update, I found a bug that affects all of the earlier Precise 5.4.* Simplified Chinese Language pets (No problems for the Traditional Chinese pets).

The latest Precise 5.4.3 Chinese Language pets (Traditional + Simplified) and the bug fix pets for Simplified Chinese Precise 5.4; 5.4.1; 5.4.2 are now available here:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=F042EC1C9DF3CFE7!108
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shenen

Joined: 03 Dec 2006
Posts: 39

PostPosted: Thu 20 Dec 2012, 23:52    Post_subject: some feedback  

icake,

I tried your pet package, it works great. Pretty much all the web
sites I've been visited the Chinese characters are all displayed
correctly. Here I have a suggestion:

Is it possible to have the menu in English while everything else stay in Chinese.

My daughter was born in Canada, she only recognizes few Chinese
characters, If the menu can be in English, then she can use puppy
like an English version and when I surf the Chinese web site, all the
Chinese characters can be displayed. I used to add the Chinese TTF
fonts to usr/share/X11/fonts, it's fine when browsing the web, but when
use VLC player or use xterm, it will not display the Chinese characters
properly.

Not just the OS, applications like abiword or libreoffice, if the menu can also in English, she would be able to use them. Right now I have to keep 2 puppy Linux(without Chinese language package) to suffice this purpose.


I tried to see how your package was made using pet2tgz to see if I can add the English menu back, I screwed up somewhere, the menu still display a mixed Chinese and English even though all the Chinese has been removed. .

If the package can be made this way, I am sure it will help me and my daughter get along better. Very Happy Or it's been made already somewhere.

This is the problems most oversea Chinese will be facing, 1st generation was born in a pure Chinese society whereas the 2nd generation was born in western one.

The other thing is Chinese input.

I was born in Taiwan and I mainly use Zu-yin, I noticed when use scim
there are some random characters, sometime it's 7 or 8 out of 10
characters, sometime I have to scroll few pages
in order to see the right word. So I just use the online version
i2bopomo.com, then cut and paste, it's quicker.

Sorry the message is a little bit lengthy, since you spend the time
doing a good work, I thought I might write a more detailed feedback
from a different perspective.


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icake

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Posts: 185

PostPosted: Fri 21 Dec 2012, 03:40    Post_subject: Chinese Language Pets
Sub_title: Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese pets
 

Carolina Linux was first released on Oct 5. Within 2 months, it has 5 releases:

lina-001 Oct 5
lina-002 Oct 16
lina-003 Nov 10
lina-004 Nov 28
lina-005 Dec 20

lina iso files can be downloaded from their web site:
http://smokey01.com/carolina/isos/

I have prepared a pair of Chinese Language pets (Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese) for lina-002 and lina-005.

These Chinese Language pets (Traditional + Simplified) and a user guide (in English, Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese) are now available here:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=F042EC1C9DF3CFE7!108

As noted earlier in my lina-002 notes posted on Oct 29 here (in Chinese): http://www.minilinux.net/node/2469
after install the Chinese Language pet, you cannot start UMPlayer in lina. Which means that you cannot see movies, but music is ok.
Given that it comes with a full Libreoffice suite (versino 3.6) with Writer, Calc, Impress, Data Base, it is ideal for work. Plus it is small and it is free, cannot ask for more!

Happy Holidays!
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L18L

Joined: 19 Jun 2010
Posts: 2579
Location: www.eussenheim.de/

PostPosted: Fri 21 Dec 2012, 05:12    Post_subject: Re: some feedback
Sub_title: quick change of language for menu
 

shenen wrote:
...
If the package can be made this way, I am sure it will help me and my daughter get along better. Very Happy Or it's been made already somewhere...

If you want to use a puppy which has Joes window manager jwm then try
jwm_tools-0.9.4 please.

Quote:
What´s new?

- You can switch (back) to English now


There are several languages possible and the trick is the rapid change. (Chineses not added yet but that is your task Cool )
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icake

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PostPosted: Fri 21 Dec 2012, 17:19    Post_subject:  Chinese Language Pets
Sub_title: Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese pets
 

shenen,

Thanks for sharing your views about the Chinese Language pets.

There are 2 key changes to your computer after you have installed the Chinese Language pets:

1. the desktop becomes Chinese
Items changed include the icon labels, menus items in trays and applications. This enables the user to select Chinese commands to control the computer.

2. the ability to show Chinese contents in applications
Applications contents are contents in web sites, editors, writers, spreadsheets, video players, presentations etc. This is the ability to display, see and produce things in Chinese on the computer.

From your descriptions, I think you want to have function 2 but not 1.

There are many ways to do this.

To do it by modifying the Chinese Language pets is equivalent to firstly set up the computer to have 1+2, then cut back to 2 only. This is obviously not very efficient.

It would be better if you start from zero and change your computer to enable function 2 only.

This can be done by:

a. change the locale to us_utf8
b. add Chinese Input Method such as SCIM, ibus, fcitx
c. add Chinese fonts

There is third way: Multiboot enables you to have more than 1 computer system available on 1 computer.

Puppy linux is particularly suitable for multiboot because it is small and allows frugal install. Using frugal install, each puppy linux needs about 256 mb to 1G hard disk only and this can be sitting on your exiting windows logical partitions (i.e. no need to occupy one of the 3 main partitions on your hard disk).

For example, my notebook has a 250G hard disk and I have installed over 30 systems on it. This include 2 windows 7, 1 ubuntu, 1 slackware plus about 30 puppy linux. Multiboot enables me to select any one of the 30+ systems that I want to start up, and they will not conflict with each other.

Multiboot allows you to have Chinese puppy (or Chinese Windows) for yourself and English puppy (or English Windows) for your daughter. By the press of one different button, you and your daughter will have a different system that suites your special needs, everyone will be happy.

Based on your descriptions, you are already keeping 2 different puppy systems on your computer. So I guess you are already using the best practice.

I do not know Zu-yin Chinese Input Method and the reason to include it in my Chinese Language pets is because it comes with the SCIM pet that I used.

In general, the reason for getting some non-printable characters on the computer is because the computer is trying to display words that are not available in the fonts installed. My guess is that Zu-yin is trying to display some non-utf8 words (BIG5 or other Traditioinal Chinese characters) which are not available in the utf8 wqy-microhei.ttf Chinese font installed.

To solve this, my suggestions are:
1. find a utf8 Zu-yin Chinese Input Method and install it to your computer.
2. get a copy of the source codes for the Zu-yin Chinese Input Method, edit the contents, eliminate all the non-utf8 characters and put back the modified data bank into SCIM.

Happy Holidays.
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shenen

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PostPosted: Sat 22 Dec 2012, 10:46    Post_subject: Re: Chinese Language Pets
Sub_title: Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese pets
 

icake wrote:
shenen,

To solve this, my suggestions are:
1. find a utf8 Zu-yin Chinese Input Method and install it to your computer.
2. get a copy of the source codes for the Zu-yin Chinese Input Method, edit the contents, eliminate all the non-utf8 characters and put back the modified data bank into SCIM.

Happy Holidays.


Thanks for those suggestions. Yes, I am using grub to multi-boot different version of puppy. It's good for now. I will also read how mo manager works.

Eventually multi language support will be completely at OS level.

When I was born, China, Taiwan are uni-race society, now walking on the street, you can hear different kinds of language. Eventually it will be like multi-race western society, we will see Chinese politician with a foreign face soon. This will affect how we see so called localization.

My wife can read/write/speak 3 languages, myself 2. Most Europeans I met they can read/write/speak 3 or 4 languages, I guess L18L's quick switch idea make sense.

Merry Christmas
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bluehorse

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2012, 05:08    Post_subject: Chinese Display and Input with English Menu
Sub_title: Chinese Display and Input with English Menu
 

shenen, i may not have understand your problem entirely, i have a puppy with english for everything, but displays chinese contents properly and allows me to input chinese into text boxes, be it a web page or a text document, even a java source file.

if this is what you want, what i did was to install a slacko 5.3.3 or lucid 5.2.8, then install cnpack_half-4xx-20100606.pet with option "minimum chinesization". a "full chinesization" will replace your menu with english, i suppose.
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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2012, 05:10    Post_subject: cnpack for Slacko 5.4
Sub_title: cnpack for Slacko 5.4
 

icake, where is your cnpack pet for slacko 5.4? thanks.
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icake

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Dec 2012, 11:28    Post_subject: Chinese Language Pets
Sub_title: cnpack for slack 5.4
 

bluehorse,

Here is a link to the cnpack slacko 5.4:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=F042EC1C9DF3CFE7!108

It is under the folder /简体中文包Simplified Chinese Language Pets /slacko_zhcn-0.6.1.2.pet

There is also a user guide (in English / Simplified Chinese / Traditional Chinese) under the folder /中文包使用手册Language_Pet_Read Me/
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Dec 2012, 05:31    Post_subject: Chinese Language Pets
Sub_title: Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese pets
 

I have just uploaded a half-Chinese Language pet for precise-5.4.3 to:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=F042EC1C9DF3CFE7!108

in the folder /半中文包 Half Chinese Language Pets/

This pet has:

1. Chinese font wqy-mircrohei.ttf
2. locale changed to zh_HK.utf8
3. SCIM Chinese Input Method with 21 Chinese Input Methods (5 SC and 16 TC)

All desktop/applications menus and sub-menus are still in English.

I have to change the locale to zh_HK because when I used en_US.UTF-8, some of the Chinese web-page titles and trays will show squares.

Please try it out and let me know if there are issues.
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Dec 2012, 15:35    Post_subject: Chinese Language Pets
Sub_title: Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese Pets
 

I have solved the problem of locale en_US.UTF-8 showing squares for Chinese web-pages in window title. The new half-Chinese pet is ready for download here:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=F042EC1C9DF3CFE7!108

in folder: /半中文包 Half Chinese Language Pets/

So this pet has:

1. Chinese font wqy-mircrohei.ttf
2. locale remains at en_US.UTF-8
3. SCIM Chinese Input Method with 5 Simplified Chinese Input Methods and 16 Traditional Chinese Input Methods

The user guide (in English, Simplified Chinese and Traditional Chinese) has also been updated.
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icake

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PostPosted: Fri 28 Dec 2012, 19:59    Post_subject: Chinese Language Pets
Sub_title: English menus Chinese pets
 

I have made available 3 half-Chinese Language pets for download here:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=F042EC1C9DF3CFE7!108
under the folder: /半中文包 Half Chinese Language Pets /

for the following 3 Puppy distributions:

Precise 5.4.3
Slacko 5.4
lina-005

After applying these half-Chinese Language pets to the corresponding version of English puppy, you will get:

1. Chinese font wqy-mircrohei.ttf
2. locale is en_US.UTF-8 (no change for Precise 5.4.3 and Slacko 5.4 but new locale for lina-005)
3. SCIM Chinese Input Method with 5 Simplified Chinese Input Methods and 16 Traditional Chinese Input Methods

All desktop/applications menus and sub-menus are still in English.

Happy New Year.
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