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What is the best Puppy Version ever, LOL
2.14x
24%
 24%  [ 8 ]
2.14x
12%
 12%  [ 4 ]
2.14x
30%
 30%  [ 10 ]
Other: 2.14x only
33%
 33%  [ 11 ]
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greengeek

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 02:39    Post subject:  

2000kevin2000 wrote:
Anyway the i686 issue is why I was also looking at older Puppy projects like the one made for 486's running 64MB RAM. I also have a set of old Slackware floppies ready though if need be Laughing
If you have time to trial a few puppies you might be interested in these links:
http://www.puppylinux.ca/vintage/
and
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=65544

Also, ttuuxxx has other offerings - I'd suggest trying "Fire Hydrant". It definitely runs in 64MB. It'd be v_e_r_y slow, but it might be worth seeing if it eventually boots ok, and that might provide some pointers to whats suitable and whats not.
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2000kevin2000

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 15:45    Post subject:  

starhawk wrote:
What is the "very old software/proprietary hardware" that you're looking to run? There is NO WAY you'll get Wine on this thing -- even DOSBox may be problematic -- there just aren't enough brain cells in it for that. So if you're trying to use a DOS or Win3.x floppy based program on this... I just don't see that working out well.

You know that you can get RS-232 and LPT Cardbus adapters, right? Honestly... given the choice (keep in mind I love messing around with old stuff) I'd pick the adapters first.

All of that said, I'd still like to know, very specifically... what are you wanting to do? (See first sentence of this post.) If you tell us, we can probably help.


I unfortunately need to be able to control a very old and specialized EPROM programmer for certain chips no modern programmer seems to be able to handle. I own several modern programmers but not one of them is able to properly write to these old chips I have, and my only other option would be to dig up a machine with an ISA port and then I have to be lucky enough to even find a matching ISA card...

I'm hoping I can do everything I need to in Linux (don't see why I can't) but if it comes down to it I can always install a Win3.1/95 partition and keep linux on for when I actually want to use it Laughing .

What's even weirder is i I got hired to repair some company's old video processor unit where the only video output you can use for diagnostics is something with another proprietary interface. But guess what the only card they have to test it with is.... Zoomed Video. *shoots self in head*

By the way thanks for letting me know about those old Puppy builds. Looking forward to trying out 0.4 and 1.0.3 on this old thing.
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 16:06    Post subject:  

How friendly are you with a soldering iron? Look at this.

Schematic diagram (not the best I've seen) here.

If you don't have the skills to build it, I can -- but I've no EPROMs to test with. The only part I can't afford is the shipping, which would be $6.00 in the US, and $15.00 outside of the US (all currencies in this post are in US Dollars!).

Mouser Electronics stocks most of the parts. 74HC164 ICs are $0.37 each, and the 74HC299 is $0.82. I can throw that together with a parallel port dongle (connector $2.29 at Radio Shack; I've got plenty of ribbon cables I can slice up) and some wire and perfboard (perf $3.49 at Radio Shack; I've got the wire). Mouser will charge me $4.95 for shipping, because they're silly like that. Total cost $12.29 + shipping to you.

If that programmer can work for you, let me know, and I'll do it. I'll have $30 that I can spend by the end of tomorrow.

BTW, if you're familiar with the blog site HackaDay, that's where I heard of this. It's DEFINITELY not mine! (@Flash: not about people making computers do bad things -- just people making devices do nifty things that they're not originally designed for.)

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2000kevin2000

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 17:11    Post subject:  

starhawk wrote:
How friendly are you with a soldering iron? Look at this.

Schematic diagram (not the best I've seen) here.

If you don't have the skills to build it, I can -- but I've no EPROMs to test with. The only part I can't afford is the shipping, which would be $6.00 in the US, and $15.00 outside of the US (all currencies in this post are in US Dollars!).

Mouser Electronics stocks most of the parts. 74HC164 ICs are $0.37 each, and the 74HC299 is $0.82. I can throw that together with a parallel port dongle (connector $2.29 at Radio Shack; I've got plenty of ribbon cables I can slice up) and some wire and perfboard (perf $3.49 at Radio Shack; I've got the wire). Mouser will charge me $4.95 for shipping, because they're silly like that. Total cost $12.29 + shipping to you.

If that programmer can work for you, let me know, and I'll do it. I'll have $30 that I can spend by the end of tomorrow.

BTW, if you're familiar with the blog site HackaDay, that's where I heard of this. It's DEFINITELY not mine! (@Flash: not about people making computers do bad things -- just people making devices do nifty things that they're not originally designed for.)


I will have to do some more research on this design! I am not bad with a soldering iron but my main problem is I'm trying to program chips that are so long out of production and lost in obscurity. Working with ancient arcade boards can be a real headache, especially when all documentation of many boards are lost and gone forever!

I don't frequent hackaday much anymore but maybe I should... If this cheap EPROM solution can program my weird old chips I'd be amazed Shocked

I don't know if I mentioned but I have a Willem GQ-4X which is really wonderful for about everything but ancient undocumented chips Laughing
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starhawk

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 17:30    Post subject:  

Geez that thing's expensive.

Somehow I forgot that the chip would need an IC socket Embarassed make that cost estimate $12.53 for the addition of a $0.24 28pin DIP socket. (Sorry, ZIF DIP sockets are nutso expensive at Mouser -- like $15+ !!)

EDIT: Kevin, I owe you an apology -- give pUPnGO 2012 (start with the textmaker one, don't bother with the freeoffice one) a chance -- I seem to have had a bad download on that one. Was using it to test out a really old monitor today, and it gave me the same bellyache that it did when I ran it before, trying to help you. (This is on much newer hardware!)

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2000kevin2000

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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 20:21    Post subject:  

wow, no need to apologize at all, i should be thanking you for even putting in any time trying to help me out!

unfortunately i am away from home right now where i left the laptop, so i haven't been able to do any tests on it. i will certainly give Pup'n'go a spin on the machine when I get back!

(sorry everyone else for hijacking the thread - i still plan to use Classic Pup 2.14X on my P4 though and will post relevant discussion when i do that Laughing )
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Jan 2013, 20:43    Post subject:  

I don't think this was too big of a hijack, myself -- although I could be wrong.

For next time --> http://murga-linux.com/puppy/index.php?f=2

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013, 08:57    Post subject:  

Hi, I just dropped in to say a BIG THANK YOU for 214x-Top10, ttuuxxx

I have an old laptop, 700mhz, with 512m of RAM, that I thought would be ideal for use as a Media player connected to a TV, particularly for playing MP4 videos downloaded from YOUTUBE.
It soon became clear that only a Puppy would be speedy enough.
As it turned out only 214x-Top10 worked for me straight out of the box, without totally hammering the CPU, or issues with video and/or viewability.

Cheers
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Feb 2013, 21:56    Post subject:  

To remove Firefox, I followed ttuuxxx's instructions here (at the top).
The problem is, CUPS no longer works because it needs Firefox.
Is there a way to switch CUPS to the new browser?
Thanks.

Update 1:
Got the following info. from rcrsn51:

Quote:
In your new browser, go to the URL http://localhost:631

This allows printer installation without the CUPS Printer Wizard.

Update 2:
Aha! After much digging, found answer to my original question:

/usr/sbin/cups_shell and /usr/sbin/cups_shell2 must be edited to change path from old browser to new one. Smile
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Thu 28 Feb 2013, 00:24    Post subject:  

Coffe wrote, here:
Quote:
The CPU usage is often high 40%-60% (busy), it reaches 100% when I open some apps and it hanged three or four times.

I've never been able to take my PII/350 online with 2.14x without the CPU eventually hanging at 100% and requiring shutdown; killing processes doesn't work.

And yet, 3.01-Retro (same kernel, 2.6.18.1) only hits 100% during initial pageloads.
Otherwise it runs cool.

Then I saw this.
Does anybody know if Barry reworked k2.6.18.1 between 2.14 and 3.01?
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yellodog

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Mar 2013, 12:50    Post subject:  

Swaphead wrote:
Hi, I just dropped in to say a BIG THANK YOU for 214x-Top10, ttuuxxx

Yeah, me too. What a great system!

I'm running Puppy 2.14x on an Athlon 1.8 Ghz, 256 MB RAM, bought back in 2003.
There's also Win98 on it and SuSE Linux 10.0 (2005) (current SuSE would be OpenSuSE 12.2, connected to Novell now, which doesn't work on this system).
Reason for Puppy is, the old SuSE MPlayer doesn't play all current videos, newer Flash-Vids or newer HTML/JavaScript won't work either.
But Puppy 2.14x just does it (though a little slow on this machine sometimes, probably because of RAM). Still really great! Thank you so much!

One thing I also use on this setup, is my Perl-script "shufflemp3-0.8.pl" to quickly cycle through mp3s in a directory (and below) on the console and play them with mpg123/mpg321.
Puppy 2.14x already comes with Perl and mpg123/mg321 (or it can be easily compiled), so just the two modules "AUDIO::PLAY::MPG123" and "Term::ReadKey" would also be needed.
To compile, you just do
Code:
tar -xzvf Module.tar.gz
cd Moduledirectory
perl Makefile.PL
make
make install

Ah, you probably would need the devx_...pet (from the first page of this thread) for it, too (to compile "Term::ReadKey").

Anyway, great system, have fun!
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yellodog

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Mar 2013, 17:20    Post subject:  

Some more things to mention:

1. At first, I wanted a "full harddisk install" of Puppy 2.14X, but when I did that, I sometimes got "Kernel panic", which is fatal, of course. I had this problems with other versions of Puppy too. Maybe it's my system.
What worked without any problems was a "frugal install" though. No "Kernel panic" that way. No idea, why.
I think, it's not worth, going after that problem, because "frugal install" doesn't have that many drawbacks.

2. Some programs, I really missed, could be installed or compiled afterwards, sometimes even current versions from the projects' websites:

- vim - My favourite editor (your mileage may vary) (sorry, ttuuxxx, you probably had your reasons to kick it out by default). Wink
- The Terminus Font - My favourite console-font, which can be configured with rather large font-sizes (better for the eyes) - couldn't live without it.
- The Midnight Commander - Powerful two-panel-file-manager: I just used the Puppy-2.x-pet from the ibiblio-Site.
- Audacity - Powerful sound-editor: A nice version could be found in this thread: Again: Amazing support, ttuuxxx, thank you so much!

- And last, but not least: Today I managed to compile the current version of MPlayer, actually from this file, MPlayer-1.1.tar.gz.
Now, that was really amazing, because I had tried this several times on SuSE 10.0 without success, because the compiler (gcc etc.) was too old. It seems, Puppy 2.14x comes with a much newer compiler-version, that can handle much newer source-code of other programs. Very cool!
For mplayer, I just had to do "./configure; make; make install". It took about an hour on my system. But it just went through to the end. I was very surprised to see that.
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PostPosted: Tue 19 Mar 2013, 21:46    Post subject:  

Okay, something weird happened. I thought I posted the other day. Let's try again.

Apologies to all Classic Pup lovers for being out of touch for a while, but my 214X software page is now updated to include the last few programs that ttuuxxx posted.

Cheers,
Sully

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Apr 2013, 10:20    Post subject:  

I don't know if this has been asked before, if yes, I apologize. But does this pup even support WPA2 encryption? Cause I'm having major issues with WPA2. I've only managed to connect once (still on LiveUSB) and ever since I did a full install I get the wrong password pop-up (alphanumeric or hexadecimal). Its like its still set to WEP even if I set it to WPA2. I can connect via the open guest network, but nothing else.

I'm running Top10 on a maxed Toshibe Portege 3410CT with a PCMCIA DWL-G650 (Atheros).

Otherwise it runs like dream. Gave this thing a new life.
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bentonbee

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PostPosted: Sat 18 May 2013, 14:52    Post subject: help with b43 pcmcia
Subject description: 2.14X support for b43 pcmcia
 

I have been a big fan of the 2.14-2.18 puppys. I have 2.14x running on one of my computers. ...but I have a Dell inspiron 1501 that has a b43 pcmcia wireless in it and I can't find a driver for it. I have tried using some of the pets from the forum for b43 pcmcia but none work. I was wondering if there was pet I could down load that would allow me to load it for puppy 2.14X ?
Thanks
Mike
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