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How do I backup a full install?
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Amgine


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PostPosted: Mon 21 Jan 2013, 20:28    Post subject:  How do I backup a full install?  
I just did a full install to my hard drive, Since its fresh and I have all my drivers, and favorite eye-candy stuff installed. I would like to make a backup, so if I mess something up, "Like I did earlier today", I can get my computer back up quicker?
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PostPosted: Mon 21 Jan 2013, 22:35    Post subject:  
Read here.
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jafadmin

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PostPosted: Tue 22 Jan 2013, 00:16    Post subject:  
My personal favorite is "tar". These scripts are on the backup drive. I open a terminal shell there and run the appropriate script.

Code:


#!/bin/sh
#
# Use  "tar" to create a full sys backup zip archive named with the current date.
#
tar -zcvpf "R51-fullsysbackup_`date '+%b-%d-%Y'`.tar.gz" / --exclude=mnt  --exclude=dev

#!/bin/sh
#
#Restore full sys backup of TP R51
#
tar -zxvpf R51-fullsysbackup_Oct-16-2012.tar.gz

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PostPosted: Wed 30 Jan 2013, 20:31    Post subject:  
Amgine,

A backup and restore utility that I use is PING (Ping Is Not Ghost). It is a standalone bootable CD. It reports to be able to do media-spanning if needed. Haven't tried that feature but the backup and restore functions are fast. It can also compress the data. I found it at http://ping.windowsdream.com/.
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2013, 03:35    Post subject:  
Not worth it
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2013, 16:01    Post subject:  
tytower wrote:
Note that with a full install you dont really need to back up much at all.
All of the needed files are on the Live CD you downloaded to install from ! The only backup you need is the save file which can be regularly backed up to a flash drive which has the basic system installed on it too.

Thats for Puppy stuff anyway

My method is to get the live CD . Boot puppy and install it on my harddrive as a full install. When asked where to save I choose my hard drive . Next time I boot from the CD -there is only 1 save file so it goes there quickly and loads quickly. When you close it does not need to save ,its on the hard drive so thats much quicker.

Then all you need to do is insert a USB stick , do an install on it and copy your savefile across to it from time to time when you think of it .
You only need that if your hard drive copy gets corrupted.
If you want to run a CD or burn one just take the live CD out.
If you use .sfs files or want to keep others then copy those at the same time as the savefile


"Full installs" do not have or use "save files"!
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Amgine


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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2013, 16:04    Post subject:  
tytower wrote:
Note that with a full install you dont really need to back up much at all.
All of the needed files are on the Live CD you downloaded to install from ! The only backup you need is the save file which can be regularly backed up to a flash drive which has the basic system installed on it too.

Thats for Puppy stuff anyway

My method is to get the live CD . Boot puppy and install it on my harddrive as a full install. When asked where to save I choose my hard drive . Next time I boot from the CD -there is only 1 save file so it goes there quickly and loads quickly. When you close it does not need to save ,its on the hard drive so thats much quicker.

Then all you need to do is insert a USB stick , do an install on it and copy your savefile across to it from time to time when you think of it .
You only need that if your hard drive copy gets corrupted.
If you want to run a CD or burn one just take the live CD out.
If you use .sfs files or want to keep others then copy those at the same time as the savefile


That is a frugal install not a full.
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2013, 17:03    Post subject:  
Not worth the effort
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2013, 18:27    Post subject:  
tytower wrote:
Well boys when I choose full install on the CD as I have said a savefile is created on the hard drive and this is what I backup and this is what is loaded when it goes looking for a savefile.

So you figure it out. This is for 5.3 and 5.4.2 and I think 5.1

Please do these things yourself before you contradict and Amgine only one contrary claim is needed thanks.


I have a "precisesave.2fs" with a new date for today-see below


That doesn't look anything like a full install!
Read this;

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=29653
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Amgine


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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2013, 18:40    Post subject:  
tytower wrote:
Well boys when I choose full install on the CD as I have said a savefile is created on the hard drive and this is what I backup and this is what is loaded when it goes looking for a savefile.

So you figure it out. This is for 5.3 and 5.4.2 and I think 5.1

Please do these things yourself before you contradict and Amgine only one contrary claim is needed thanks.


I have a "precisesave.2fs" with a new date for today-see below


No that is not a full install. See the attachment. ...

The path you show /mnt/home takes me back to my Kubuntu partition. Do you have your hard drive partitioned?

Also: With a full install Puppy does not ask to save when you shut down.
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2013, 19:00    Post subject:  
First, a full install does not have a savefile. But, it is possible to end up with one in error.
After performing a traditional full install ,while running from the live cd...... when attempting a reboot/shutdown after finishing the full install do not save when asked........ or you'll end up with a full install and an extra unneeded savefile.
Not going to try to hunt the link again but there was an "how-to" with an incorrect install procedure on the web that led to a number of these posts before.
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2013, 19:02    Post subject:  
The sure way to answer this full/frugal question is to look at the GRUB menu.lst entry.
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2013, 19:03    Post subject:  
In answer to the original question, I just use Clonezilla to make a copy onto a spare partition somewhere.Then ,if needed just copy it back.
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2013, 20:51    Post subject:  
Not worth the effort
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2013, 20:58    Post subject:  
tytower wrote:
James C wrote:
First, a full install does not have a savefile. But, it is possible to end up with one in error.
After performing a traditional full install ,while running from the live cd...... when attempting a reboot/shutdown after finishing the full install do not save when asked........ or you'll end up with a full install and an extra unneeded savefile.
Not going to try to hunt the link again but there was an "how-to" with an incorrect install procedure on the web that led to a number of these posts before.


Hope you will excuse this off subject deviation . Ill try make it short.

Tell me just quickly James C ,how does the system save its files then . Say it has a file /usr/bin/checkmeout . Does it go in a savefile? or straight into /usr/bin/ ?
Why does my system then use this save file every boot if it is not needed . Start a new thread if you like .

Anyway I like to have a save file . It gives me a place that I know anything I have added different to the Live CD is in there unless I decide not to have it there.


When you do a USB or a Frugal install everything loads in RAM, after an amount of time, it auto saves your RAM to your save file. and at shut down.

Full installs runs from the hard drive. Same as running Ubuntu.

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/FrugalOrFullInstallation
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