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Lucid or Precise for older machine?
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013, 10:52    Post subject:  Lucid or Precise for older machine?
Subject description: Any performance reasons to upgrade?
 

Hi all - I've got an older Pentium IV machine with a 1.6ghz processor, 768mbs of RAM, and a 128mb video card. Currently it's running Lucid 5.2.8 and I'm quite pleased with it as such....all tweaked the way I like Smile

I've been taking a look at Precise in a VM and like it, but I was thinking, would there be any performance difference between it and Lucid? I don't want to upgrade to have my machine slow down because of some new aspect of Precise that works less efficiently on an older machine.

Thoughts?

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013, 12:40    Post subject:  

Well, Precise won't run most Lucid software. If you use basic programs like gimp and open office, you'll have no problems finding equivalents though.

If you just have a frugal install of Lucid it shouldn't be that much of a problem to try out Precise either, providing you have a gig or so left on your hd. Just make a folder, open the .iso and copy the vmlinuz, initrd and .sfs file into the folder, copy the menu entry of lucid and change the title and folder name and save. Check to see the names match, I'm not 100% sure but I think Precise uses an unusual extension for the initrd, not .gz.

Simple and you don't have to burn a CD.
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013, 13:21    Post subject:  

Won't run most Lucid software? Hmmm...most of the programs I have installed are fairly common and I got a lot of them from the forums. I thought Precise and Lucid were both able to read Ubuntu packages? That's where some of the programs I used came from...

Skype, LibreOffice, Firefox....things like that.

As it is an older machine though (and sorry for asking as I am at work atm and don't have Precise with me to check), would Precise still able to run that Youtube Downloader program I've seen on the forums? (http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1224664179&t=76835)

Youtube videos are a bit laggy on that machine under Lucid in Firefox, but they play fine through that Youtube Downloader/Viewer Smile

EDIT - Another thought; I currently actually run a Full Install of Lucid on that machine. Would running Precise as a Frugal install make a large performance difference as well? I'd love to cram every bit of omph I can out of it, haha!

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013, 13:32    Post subject:  

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I thought Precise and Lucid were both able to read Ubuntu packages?

Yes, they do.

But Lucid is Ubuntu 10.04 and Precise is Ubuntu 12.xx.

Not all Software from XP is running in 98/ME and so it might be (surely) with Ubuntu 12.xx and 10.xx.

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013, 13:37    Post subject:  

Thanks RSH - I actually knew that, I just was assuming most of Puppy's lighter apps were compatible with both and also, to use your example, most WinXP programs will work in Vista or Win7, so I was also assuming that Puppy would be backwards compatible as well Smile

Any examples of apps that won't work in Precise but work in Lucid?

I think I'll install Precise to a separate partition tonight after I get off work and see how I make out setting it up the way I want to....if I can remember the multitude of tiny changes I made to Lucid! Razz

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013, 13:47    Post subject:  

Yes.

I have tried the Openshot and the DVDStyler from Precise (to be found in Forum Multimedia) in my LazY Puppy (Lucid based). Didn't work.

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013, 14:29    Post subject:  

On the hardware end of things... that Pentium 4 sounds like a first-generation model ("Willamette" core), which could be a Socket 423 CPU. That socket is well known for its poor electrical characteristics...

...and ALL the Pentium 4 CPUs were power hogs on a grand scale. (...and really only did good things with multimedia tasks -- anything else bogs them down.)

You might consider upgrading to a Pentium M based setup -- while Pentium 4s can consume upwards of 100 watts by themselves, Pentium M stuff never gets above 35 watts -- and performs far better overall.

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Jan 2013, 14:38    Post subject:  

RSH wrote:
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I thought Precise and Lucid were both able to read Ubuntu packages?

Yes, they do.

But Lucid is Ubuntu 10.04 and Precise is Ubuntu 12.xx.

Not all Software from XP is running in 98/ME and so it might be (surely) with Ubuntu 12.xx and 10.xx.
That is not a good comparison, most 98 software runs in XP, but most Lucid software does not run in Precise. Ubuntu releases are very little downward compatible.

I think even backgammon for Lucid was crashing, I tested Precise Puppy a few days ago. Some Lucid .pets did work though.

{edit:} but let me put it this way, I tried Precise 3.7.2 again yesterday. Lucid software which worked (or at least ran, didn't try editing video): gimp (actually better than on Lucid because it resizes properly), Cinelerra, Kino, Geweled, even lmms 0.4.5. Ardour and Avidemux did not work.

On the other hand, most Puppy 4 software will run on higher Puppies.
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