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Which Puppy for an older computer?
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circularL7

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 03:53    Post subject:  Which Puppy for an older computer?
Subject description: 266 MHz Celeron; 112 MB RAM
 

I've searched, but I didn't find anything that helped me (in a way that I understood).

Computer info: late 90's HP Intel Celeron; 266Mhz; Win 98; 112MB RAM; maybe 5GB.

My goals: I want to completely remove Win from the machine and run Wary because I never liked Windows. I want the machine to boot into Wary just like it does Win. And I want the full version, not frugal.

What I've done: I burned Wary to a CD as an image. I did this according to the Win 7 help that directed me to use an older format. (I think that's the right description.) I placed the CD in the target computer's CD reader.

I restarted the computer and went into BIOS and changed the start-up order to begin at the CD reader. I restarted the computer, but it didn't start in Wary, so I went back to the screen on which the boot order is displayed and the screen also says: The system attempts to boot to the operating system from the first hard-drive in this list.

(I suspect that that means that it doesn't matter that I changed the order because it ignores the order until the OS on the hard-drive is found. But I don't know.)

Another detail that might be relevant is that when I click on the CD icon in the Computer folder, a box appears that says: M:\ is not accessible. The device is not ready.

Please help.
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 04:23    Post subject:  

First, check the CD.
You should see, among others, the following files:
initrd.gz
puppy_wary_(version).sfs
vmlinuz


Before full-installing, you will need to choose the puppy pfix=ram boot option.
Then go to Menu / System / GParted.
Format the Puppy partition with either ext2 or ext3 filesystem.
Then set up a 400MB Linux-swap partition.
(This is how you compensate for insufficient RAM; same idea as pagefile.sys with Windows.)

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I want the machine to boot into Wary just like it does Win.

Then use this as your bootloader.
It's easier to work with than regular GRUB.

And for a machine of that vintage, I strongly suggest this instead of Wary.
Also, have a look at the manual.

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circularL7

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 04:28    Post subject:  

Problem 1 found. I burned the shortcut, not the program.

I thought that Wary was the route to take because of its age. The other is better?
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 04:42    Post subject:  

If the CD-burning software isn't working properly, there's a suggestion in the manual.
(see link above)

2.14x should work better with your hardware, especially given the slower processor speed and limited RAM.
(Wary typically requires a bit more of both.)

However, 2.14x's built-in Firefox browser might be a bit heavy, so install and use this if needed.
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circularL7

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 12:11    Post subject:  

Sadly, it's the operator, not the burner.

So, I burned this: http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/2.14X/iso-sfs/214X-top6.2.iso. I haven't partitioned the hard drive yet, but I wanted to update you because this seemed interesting. I burned it properly. The CD is in the reader. When I boot, the reader light illuminates before the screen shows anything, the reader opens (expelling the CD), and then the machine proceeds to boot Win.

I'll start working on the manual next, but I wanted to give an update if only for your entertainment.

Thank you for the help and recommendation.
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 14:41    Post subject:  

When you burn the CD double check that the type of burn is "burn image", not "burn file" or "burn data".
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circularL7

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 14:48    Post subject:  

I definitely burned it as an image, but I'm now trying to follow the directions presented in the manual.

Thus far, I have downloaded 2.14x to the target's hard drive. That is what the manual advises for Puppy; I hope that that is also right for 2.14x. I also downloaded md5sum.exe, which is the MS-DOS program that the manual advises me to download to the target.

However, the manual advises that I Start|Run and enter "cmd" in the input window. But when I enter it, a dialogue box appears, and it states: Cannot find the file 'cmd' (or one of its components). Make sure the path and filename are correct and that all required libraries are available.

Both of the downloaded programs are on my desktop. Should I have put them someplace else?

Edit/Update: I did a little research and tried "command" in the input window and my DOS-box appeared. Will update.
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circularL7

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 15:32    Post subject:  

Latest: My DOS-Box opens, and "C:\WINDOWS\Desktop>" appears. I assume that this is the directory, and I should be able to enter something referencing 2.14x. However, I've entered a dozen or more variations of it, from 214x with the x in upper and lower case to the entire file name, but the box responds with "bad command or file name" to every attempt.

Any suggestions?
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 16:16    Post subject:  

There are alternatives to 2.14X Classic if you can't get it working. Firstly there's Turbo Pup or Turbo Extreme;

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=40477

There's also Teenpup as it used to be called (now Legacy Pup) which is specially designed for old machines and should run on yours, though I wouldn't promise anything;

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=993360247&t=59463

Hope this helps,

CP .

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 16:33    Post subject: What is the PC that you are using to post from  

Hi @circularL7. Welcome to Puppyland.

This may seem off-topic to your request, but beer with me.

You are using a PC to post here. What is the make and the model of this PC you are using?

I've got an idea that may help you get the other very old (pre 1999) computer to run easily.

Here to help

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circularL7

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 17:21    Post subject:  

Hey, Colonel. Thanks for the response (and to everyone else too).

I'm thinking that I've tried three different Puppy versions, and I'm not knowledgeable enough to get any of them to work, so I'd like to stick with one, any one, while I learn something here. Once I get my mittens off and start typing like a big boy, I expect that I can switch relatively easily.

Which version intersects at easiest to get going and easiest to get information about? This PC has been sitting for years. I plug it in twice a year, punch some keys, and shut it off in disgust, so I don't mind putting some time in to learn new stuff; I've kept it this long for that very reason.

Hi, Martin. Thanks for the welcome.

I'm borrowing the use of this PC. The owner permits me to download and burn from it, but I don't want to impose by asking to use it for more than that.

I can and have connected the target to the internet; that's how I downloaded 2.14x and the other program. (The nice thing about doing that is that I have plenty of time to go shopping, and eat, and take naps, and. . . while it downloads.)
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Dewbie

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 21:01    Post subject:  

circularL7 wrote:
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I definitely burned it as an image

OK, before anything else, let's test it...
Are the initrd.gz, vmlinuz, etc. files shown on that disc?
If so, can you set (either) computer's BIOS to boot from CD first, insert the CD, and then see if it boots?
(Wish I had mentioned this before...Rolling Eyes)

Also, ttuuxxx usually numbers 2.14x sequentially, so the latest version is Top 10.
If 2.14x works for you, I would select that version instead, as Top 6.2 has keybinding problems.
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 22:59    Post subject:  

I erased that disk, Dewbie, but thank you. I figured that I'd try something else with more info that was more easily accessible. But what I had found during my fumbling around is that there were eight or so items when I checked the CD on this computer, but the target computer's CD reader is "not ready" when I try it in that one, and I did this with two different brands of CD readers, and I used one of those CD readers to reformat the drive today (I reloaded 95, then 98, and then Word 2000), so the reader works.
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 23:03    Post subject:  

Frequently CDs will only work in older computers if burned at a slower speed. Burning at 4x is "compatibility mode" for your CD-R/RW media -- that's the lowest speed you can go and still have the drive read your stuff.
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 23:15    Post subject:  

I tried burning with Windows and Power2Go, but both only gave me the option of 10x. My CD-RW's are rated at 12x.

I also have a stray CD-RW that doesn't list its rating. I'll give that a shot, and maybe I'll have more options, but if you have any suggestions, I'm all eyes.

Edit/Update: Get this: I had swapped the OEM CD reader with a CD reader/writer, which I had picked up second hand for one dollar. When I had opened it, I discovered a CD marked "back up." That CD was my "stray," and when I erased it and rewrote it, the burner only gave me the option of 4x, and that CD is readable by the target.

It still doesn't boot into Puppy (tried 4.3.1 again), but it's progress.
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