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HOWTO create easy multi-boot USB Puppy from Linux
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greengeek

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan 2013, 15:06    Post subject:  

Hi Les, can you clarify the method you would use to testdrive Puppy in this way please? Did you mean drag the iso intact, or did you mean strip the sfs out of it?
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Les Kerf

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan 2013, 16:06    Post subject:  

greengeek wrote:
Hi Les, can you clarify the method you would use to testdrive Puppy in this way please? Did you mean drag the iso intact, or did you mean strip the sfs out of it?


Yes, just drag the entire ISO file into the folder _ISO/Linux/AUTO

It really is that simple. I put about a dozen in there, and they all boot up just fine.
Les
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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan 2013, 22:06    Post subject: What was done to allow direct ISO booting?  

Hi @Les Kerf.

This idea, you share, has good emphasis for test along with widespread use.

I think you could help all here if you would explain what boot manager you used, and what the bootmanager's configuration looks like to accomplish ISO file boots to RAM. In short, what did you have to do so that the PC would boot an ISO directly.

Thanks in advance for more useful information.

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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jan 2013, 22:23    Post subject:  

[url]Easy2Boot[/url] - 1st post, 1st page
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PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan 2013, 07:06    Post subject:  

Thanks @Ray MK.

I forgot. I read it couple weeks ago, had plan to test it, and forgot that it had been described.

My forgetting is probably due to the amount of alcohol I have consumed in University.

THANKS! ... for the reminder.

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Jan 2013, 10:02    Post subject:  

Les Kerf wrote:

As I was playing with this, it dawned on me that this is an ideal means of "test driving" Puppy linux. Just drag an ISO file into the thumb drive it and take Puppy for a walk. No need to fiddle around with partitions, bootloaders, etc. If you don't like this one, delete it and try another.
Sweet Smile
Les


Thats exactly why I love it and wanted to share it. Just download the iso straight into the AUTO folder and boot.

Remember it is not only for puppy. Other Live Linux ISO's works as well Laughing

If you are a windows user check out this

It may be easier for you to prepare the USB if you are not familiar with Linux.
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linbie

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Jan 2013, 21:19    Post subject: Not working for me  

I can't get this to work - followed both the Linux and windows methods. I end up with grldr not found. If I copy the grldr from the created folder it will run and I get a message "try (h0,0)" and then blank screen. With the Windows method I get a message along the lines "limited Grub editing available" with an open console looking like

GRUB:>
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Scooby

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PostPosted: Tue 29 Jan 2013, 16:40    Post subject:    

I am happy you ask questions, This tutorial was made with intention that everyone can do it.
You can help me improve it.

Lets try the windows version first!
Did you follow all 4 steps?

Steps 3 and 4 is under the picture.

in Step 3 there is a warning, Did you follow it?
(you must hit the Enter key when requested - do not just quit the console window!).

Did you download and extract Easy2Boot-grub4dos_v0.5.zip to USB memory stick?

Do you have many partitions on USB?

Which files and dirs do you have in root folder of USB

Which files and dirs do you have in /grub folder of USB

linbie wrote:
If I copy the grldr from the created folder


What is this "created" folder? elaborate please.
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Les Kerf

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Feb 2013, 16:08    Post subject:  

I don't get to town often so it has been a while since I was on the internet.

On a whim, I tried this method on an old IDE 40 GB hard drive I had lying around, and it worked! I have an old Frankenstein computer I built out of junk parts attached to a piece of plywood.

I formatted the hard drive as FAT 32, then installed Grub4Dos, deleted the files that Grub4Dos had installed, then dragged the Easy2Boot file onto the hard drive, unzipped it, then proceeded to drag over 40 ISO's into it. Most of them boot (Lighthouse 64 obviously needs different hardware).

When I had additional hard drives connected, I had to use a PLoP boot floppy, followed by a Grub4Dos boot floppy to get it to boot, but with no other hard drives attached it booted just fine.

I actually got Hiren's Boot ISO to boot, also the Ultimate Boot CD (UBCD), Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN), Linux Mint 11, Ubuntu, and FreeDos ISO's. Mint, Ubuntu, and FreeDos all wanted to install themselves to the hard drive.

Anyway, this gives me a handy place to store ISO's, and also test them.
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Feb 2013, 16:13    Post subject: Re: HOWTO create easy multi-boot USB Puppy from Linux  

Scooby wrote:
Alternative 1 - the easiest way

1. Most puppies have the program Grub4Dos Bootloader config under their system menu.
(Or execute in terminal /usr/sbin/grub4dosconfig)

Run it and choose your target USB Drive - press OK trice when prompted.
You should receive a message saying everything went well.

2. Delete everything on USB

3. Download, unzip (extract) and copy the Easy2Boot-grub4dos_v0.5.zip
(attached below ) file to your USB drive
Newer versions might be availible at the Easy2Boot page

4, Drop any number of puppy linux ISO's of your choice in folder _ISO/Linux/AUTO.

5. reboot and play Laughing


For those who have experienced difficulty with this, I found it important to not skip Step #2. After running Grub4Dos, there will be some files on the thumb drive. Yes, you need to delete them, then follow the rest of the steps.
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Scooby

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Feb 2013, 14:41    Post subject:  

I am fiddling with some upgrades of Easy2Boot and I intend to make .pet for a graphical installer.

Feedback of difficulties are desired so they can be fixed.

My intention is a really easy way of doin it.

I'm thinkin of conjuring up a bat file for windows so its easy to start of trying puppies
when you only got windows and little or no knowledge of Linux. Maybe one version with a puppy onboard.

Do you have any suggestions of which puppy is easiest for a beginner?
Perhaps carolina or lina-lite?
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Ray MK


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Feb 2013, 17:46    Post subject:  

hi scooby
have a look at Magoo - runs the best on my ram challenged kit - and so easy to setup and use.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=82607

HTH - very best regards - Ray

I prefer v6 - good for netbooks as well as laptops.

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Feb 2013, 20:35    Post subject:  

Quote:
... For those who have experienced difficulty with this, I found it important to not skip Step #2. After running Grub4Dos, there will be some files on the thumb drive. Yes, you need to delete them, then follow the rest of the steps. ...
Yeah, I saw that issue as well. Which leads me to ask the following.

I am assuming that what is intended by step 1 AND step 2 is to get the drive (USB/HDD) into a position for booting. Once in that position, the files to assist booting are to be removed so that the subsequent tool can place the necessary files on the drive to support ISO booting.

Questions
  1. Would it be favorable to make a PET to ONLY delete the files presented by GRUB4DOS versus trashing all information on the drive?
  2. Is there another system tool to merely prep the boot record of the drive without running GRUB4DOS, such that the drive will be prepared without the effort of GRUB4DOS and without destruction of the drive's current information?
The reason for the questions is that it seems to me that the drive can be setup without the need to destroy the existing data that the drive may already contain so that this thread's can guide appropriately.

Here to help

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Feb 2013, 05:14    Post subject:  

This is a bit of a diversion, which is not intended to demean the project at hand.
I also am keen to see a .pet to enable HDD ISO booting.
My machine does not boot from USB.

The way I do it is I keep a directory called TESTRUN for testing new Puplets, and I put the 3 needed files from the ISO in there.
Nothing more has to be done.

This is my menu.lst entry:
Your uuid will be different.

title TESTRUN
uuid 65a8ce93-769e-425a-b02b-e32494af59ef
kernel /TESTRUN/vmlinuz psubdir=TESTRUN pmedia=atahd
initrd /TESTRUN/initrd.gz

It may be an option for some of you to do it this way.

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Feb 2013, 11:37    Post subject:  

kooliepup wrote:
title TESTRUN
uuid 65a8ce93-769e-425a-b02b-e32494af59ef
kernel /TESTRUN/vmlinuz psubdir=TESTRUN pmedia=atahd
initrd /TESTRUN/initrd.gz

So are you saying that the boot folder and menu.lst are on HDD, but this grub stanza tells the system that the puppy files are on a usb drive?
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