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Bob_the_plumber

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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 19:16    Post subject:  

Ewww !! not like windows please, windows user stop working on this os because he find it boring of using it, so what is the utility to make the same boring thing...

Do it the linux way, not the windows stupid way

and add a lot of cool thing on it yeah i like appz (but not 4 music player, 5 video player, 6 different text editor etc..) but for wireless it's a little more tricky, sometime it work with Wicd and for other, it's frisbee..

don't forget to add gtk and qt, this will save you time for n00b question on why the add_your_app_name he want doesn't work

technical excellence all the way
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 19:19    Post subject:  

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sickgut


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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 21:20    Post subject:  

Ok ive finished slimming the LXDE debian wheezy iso in hope of having a nice small base with a polished desktop......

except that its not slim in any way and therefore completely pointless. I could only rip out 100MB from its 1GB iso size and all in all there seems to be no real reason to use a Pussy version of this than the existing Debian version after spending 5 mins installing some of the missing technical features.

It was a waste of time to consider using a prefab LXDE iso, its RAM usage was not in the ball park and considering its already immense size, it would have to grow 100% more to accomodate awesome Pussy technical fun. There seems no way to even get this iso to fit on a CDROM no matter what method of slimming i used.

Looks like we will go back to our roots with the JWM + RoxFiler desktop and make efficiency and technical ability more awesome than ever.
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sickgut


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PostPosted: Sat 02 Feb 2013, 21:22    Post subject:  

Bob_the_plumber wrote:
Ewww !! not like windows please, windows user stop working on this os because he find it boring of using it, so what is the utility to make the same boring thing...

Do it the linux way, not the windows stupid way

and add a lot of cool thing on it yeah i like appz (but not 4 music player, 5 video player, 6 different text editor etc..) but for wireless it's a little more tricky, sometime it work with Wicd and for other, it's frisbee..

don't forget to add gtk and qt, this will save you time for n00b question on why the add_your_app_name he want doesn't work

technical excellence all the way


Yeah the whole LXDE desktop thing kinda fizzled out there was no way i could make it efficient in any sense of the word.

We will focus on creating the most efficient and technically excellent OS possible.
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sickgut


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PostPosted: Tue 05 Feb 2013, 07:40    Post subject:  

found out someting cool, a smaller debian live iso instead of the standard iso i used a netboot one and renamingthe netboot squash fs to filesystem squasfs worked fine and savd like 200mb of size of of the iso, finally got te perfect disk size for the new pussy while retaining full install to the hdd and everyhing else

sorry fir bad spelling,sleep meds kicking in
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sickgut


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Feb 2013, 04:35    Post subject:  

finally uploading the first draft of slimmed down debian live wheezy iso that will be the base for the next version of Pussy

http://www.thepussycatforest.info/linux/pussy-wheezy-development/

is the URL to the directory that the ISO is being uploaded to.

ill post again when its finished uploading.

I have tested the HDD install feature and it works perfectly.
Note this iso is only a development tool for people wanting to build their own debian based distro (there is no Pussy branding anywhere) there is also no Xorg and its a console only bare bones OS at the moment. DHCP and wired ethernet is autodetected very well and so running apt-get update and then apt-get install whatever will work out the box.

This is a 345mb + download still due to the fact that wheezy is bloated, the linux kernel is getting stupidly large and the hdd install feature itself adds about 100MB or more to the size of the ISO.

Within a week or so the server Pussy will be released and then work will begin on a more desktop orientated OS like the current Pussy Xtra.
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nooby

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Feb 2013, 05:52    Post subject:  

does it include the ability to boot on NTFS or does it need
Linux partitions? Can I reuse the code that booted your
first version of Pussy?

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Pete22


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Feb 2013, 23:41    Post subject: Pussy and music  

sickgut:

It looks like you are setting pussy up to work with music editing and writing.
Wonderful.

What version of Rosegarden will be included when you release your new version of pussy?

Pete
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sickgut


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Feb 2013, 00:08    Post subject: Re: Pussy and music  

Pete22 wrote:
sickgut:

It looks like you are setting pussy up to work with music editing and writing.
Wonderful.

What version of Rosegarden will be included when you release your new version of pussy?

Pete


At the present time i dont know particularly wat will fit on a CDROM and what will fit on a DVD.

Im hoping to make a small server that is a webserver, ftp server, telnet, ssh server and that will be just a few MB in size. No sound stuff in this.

I would imagine that the CDROM sized distro would have LMMS and a decent suit of wave editors and video clip editors etc and maybe a softsynth or 2 that will work as soon as you plug in a USB/ MIDI keyboard. I am not entirely sure i could fit rosegarden into a CDROM sized distro.

The DVD sized version however will ave EVERYTHING you could possibly imagine. Whatever the latest and greatest rosegarden is, it will have it. Audacity, Audacious, Aud-watever, all of them.

I personally am a computer using musician and i Pussy is a distro that i use myself and i guarantee you the music stuff will kick as much ass as possible.
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sickgut


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Feb 2013, 00:12    Post subject:  

nooby wrote:
does it include the ability to boot on NTFS or does it need
Linux partitions? Can I reuse the code that booted your
first version of Pussy?



all of this i would be inclined to say yes, however..... i have not tested it fully. I will be testing this over the next few days. Nte the current ISO is about as bare as anyting can be, it has nano for text editing and DHCP networking etc but thats it. Its basicly useless to anyone other than a developer wanting to make their own slim wheezy based debian distro or someone looking to see what pussy looks like with no clothes on.

i think the iso is even bootable from grub, altho i have modified it somewhat, i think this feature would still be in tact.

however i cant offer frm answers till ive actually made this into a fully working and mouse clicking desktop able OS

more news will follow shortly
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sickgut


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Feb 2013, 00:16    Post subject:  

Just to confirm, the bare base ISO that Pussy will be built on is now ready, fully uploaded to the internet and ready to be downloaded and the url is:

http://www.thepussycatforest.info/linux/pussy-wheezy-development/wheezy-bare.iso

350mb and basicly useless to anyone other than developers, this is just the base im using to build Pussy on top of. It does allow for full HDD install, apt-get works and can be run live from usb stick or cdrom as well. 350mb is big, i did slim this down from 500mb or so but damn, wheezy is massive. If i do away with full HDD install features the ISO would only be 180mb or so. It will remain to be seen if the couple hundred MB overhead of the HDD install feature is worth keeping or not.

Something worth noting is that the graphical install method has not been stripped from this ISO yet. Its branded with Debian logos everywhere and may deter people from using this as a base to make their own OS. Text install is better, it doesnt have any logos. I broke an ISO by ripping the graphical install guts out of it so i left it there this time. I will try again to get rid of graphical install. Graphical install requires some silly video modes that are just stupid anyway. Text install will be the future standard.

Something else worth noting is that if you do install fully to HDD you get to choose your own root password and the user name and the username password, they can be anything you like. If running the OS live, by imaging it to a USB stick or running from CDROM/ DVD etc or even frugal install to HDD and manually rig up GRUB to boot it, then the root password will remain set as Pussy and the default user name will be meow and the default username password will be Pussy. The host name will also be meow. If you install full to HDD you get to choose your own hostname as well. The default username wont be used much but it is there, as Pussy, like Puppy is supposed to be run as root all the time.

Removing debian logos and grphical install will probably save 20mb from the ISO.

A more public consumable Pussy will be released soon, first the server version, a cdrom sized version and then the ultimate ass kicking DVD sized version. Asses will be bruised, asses will be kicked, and other OS asses will be very sore.
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sickgut


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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 05:28    Post subject:  

Letting you all know that the whole:

"lets download a small pussy that has nothing in it, then another 2 or 3 squashfs addon files to make the OS all nice and awesome"

isnt going to be happening anymore. Keeping track and sync of all the squashfs files working together took so much upkeep its not worth it.

There will ofcause be the usual slew of ISO's, bare server, cdrom size and dvd size. But the entire OS will be in one squashfs file. in each of the ISOs.

however i am not entirely against having the odd sleek browser squashfs or whatever, that really doesnt rely or depend on anything in the OS and is static, thats fine. However there will be none of this large OS on top of a small OS thing.

This makes it so much easier for copy to ram boot as you can specify just one squashfs to load without the live system trying to copy the entire partition to the RAM.

Only small individual applications, that are not available in the debian repos and or the debian version of the app is like too old or really bloated to all hell, then yeah a squashfs addon is just fine.

Tricky apps that need fancy configuration like samba and whatever, is also a good reason to have a squashfs addon. I personally was a huge fan of jbv's samba squashfs package.
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mini-jaguar

Joined: 13 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:12    Post subject:  

That sounds really cool about the upcoming version, I've tried Pussy xtra several times, but it got a little confusing because of the menus, including that there are menus for Debian and Pussy apps and some are repeated.

And that wallpaper was really awesome, although I've rebooted back into it and I can't figure out how I made it appear. I did it on the third or fourth boot anyways, it's not obvious.

But I did like that it had lmms. It would be nice if the new version has Ardour, although I certainly wouldn't mind some lesser known apps like Jokosher, GNUSound, or JahShaka.
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nooby

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 14:05    Post subject:  

sickgut so much to read through Hope you
and everubody can have patience with me now.

I boot that new iso and all works well but I am at a prompt
and have no idea what to write for to get a desktop?

Very embarrassing but that is me.

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gcmartin

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb 2013, 00:11    Post subject:  

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... isnt going to be happening anymore. Keeping track and sync of all the squashfs files working together took so much upkeep its not worth it. ...
This is one of the major tactical changes that today's PCs afford this development community.

The main PCs that this community is using is a 2006 or later PC which was a 1GB standard even then. (There are very very few users whose ONLY PC is a 256MB PC, earlier than 2006.) And, for those pre-2006 PC it is hoped that their PC running Linux is still as speedy today as when they first booted it last year or earlier. Primarily, 2006+ PCs give developers a platform where they have enough room to provide the very best OOTB comfortable user experience possible. They were not able to do this years ago. Now, functionality has become much more important than limited usability due to size.

One idea that several of the distro developers have utilized is they indicate in the Opening Thread in some occasions, what spec PC they intend as the minimum platform for their distro. Some have gone so far as to indicate the minimum, but, put a disclaimer that says it "MAY" run on platforms less than the minimum. But doing so, it is understood what the distro developer is suggesting as a comfortable system to support what is delivered.

I have run many distros in the community, and have NOT found, even, one distro that did NOT find comfort in all of my 2006+ PCs. 2 years ago, the developers in Puppy Linux was a 32bit leader in producing PUPs that run on PCs with as little as 512MB to as much RAM as is physically possible to cram into a system. And, those new generation 32bit PC did NOT lose a step with their older technology 32bit kernel distro brethren. In fact, community members were reporting positive responsiveness with PAE distros compared to the non-PAE versions.

At the end of 2010, 2 64bit PUPs appeared. One a 200MB version and the other a robust 600MB version. In running each, the 600MB version was, simply, as fast, if not faster than the 200MB version. What this demonstrates to community members is that the size of the distro has little to do with the user performance needs for their system. The biggest advantage of the 600MB system was that I had little to no need to install anything in using it. I ran that system for a year with its only reboot was on its first day after desktop tailoring to get a save-session image of the system.

I think that many members in this community, too, may have a system or 2 that they rarely touch, while they experiment with the distros that they test from time-to-time.

Hopefully, others will share their successful operations so that it helps you to decide the kind of systems you would want for their use.

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