UEFI Boot and Puppy --- is there a noob HowTo?

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#21 Post by nooby »

Thanks, may I humbly ask how you can know
that all of them allow that one shut it off?

Microsoft did tell us that it was up to the maker
of the hardware to decide so could it not be
very individual and not a general thing as you
assert here. Had I knew yesterday then I maybe
would have bought a laptop but I did not want
to throw the money away of something that would fail.

Do you refer to some agreement or something
that assure us that it will work? AFAIK one guy
bricked his Samsung computer and it was not
possible to get it back in working unless one
took it apart and took out the battery backup
and let it go back to factory settings.

Apart from my worry much appreciated you
provide that key. Will that make it possible
to trippleboot with other puppies too?
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#22 Post by kirk »

I believe being able to disable secure boot is a requirement for Windows 8 certification. Fatdog64-620 will work fine ether way.


Edit: That's on x86, ARM is a different story.

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#23 Post by kirk »

About the Samsung brick. That's fixed in kernel 3.7.9, which will be in Fatdog64-620 final. The 620 beta has 3.7.7 so that could be a problem.

Tripple booting with other puppies will work not worK with secure boot on because they won't be signed with Fatdog64's key. With secure boot off they will work as long as they have configured their kernel to be a uefi application.

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#24 Post by kirk »

One other thing. I recommend you make a flash drive using the instructions above and try it out on the computer your're going to buy. On my array of new test computers (courtesy Wal-mart ;) ) I did find a couple that would not take Machine owner Keys. Just broken UEFI implementations. Of course if you're going to turn if off any way that doesn't matter. It's also nice to know if the hardware is well supported by the kernel too.

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#25 Post by nooby »

" I recommend you make a flash drive
using the instructions above and try it out
on the computer your're going to buy."

I asked about that here in Sweden and
they don't allow one do such things at all.

In some thread about UEFI another guy
had asked same in Germany and them
did not allow such test either.
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#26 Post by kirk »

I asked about that here in Sweden and
they don't allow one do such things at all.
That stinks. It's really not just the UEFI stuff, but how well Linux supports the hardware. Things like the touchpad, wifi, and even video can all cause problems, especially in really new stuff. I guess if you find a model number you like, you can google it and see if someone's tried Linux on it. I just stopped by a walmart, they had 7 or 8 laptops on display and I went down the line and tried them all. I didn't ask anyone, but booting from usb or cd doesn't hurt anything.

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#27 Post by nooby »

Here is something that maybe change how to do it?

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/ ... USB_hijack

So for to stop such hijacking they send out a patch
so if one have a computer that does such updates
then maybe booting into linux using USB would stop working?

How else can they stop it?
Microsoft's latest patches squash potential USB hijack
Microsoft's Patch Tuesday fixes four sets of critical vulnerabilities, including many found in Internet Explorer
By Joab Jackson
March 12, 2013

...
Someone with access to company premises after hours could use the vulnerability to purloin data from work machines. Public kiosks and other public computers without locked cabinets could also be at risk, Storms advised.

"These vulnerabilities could be exploited by attackers to gain the ability to execute code in the kernel, but the attacker must be physically at the computer and able to insert a USB device into the vulnerable machine," added Marc Maiffret, chief technology officer for identity management software provider BeyondTrust, in another note.
...
Is that not exactly how it would look to the patch.
We are physically at the computer and insert the USB
for to boot it up with another operating system.

Win8 can not know we are the owners of that win8?

I only guess.
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#28 Post by 8-bit »

When getting my first exposure to Windows 8 on a friend's HP laptop, I found that Windows 8 as it stands is not anything I would want on a computer.
But in my investigation of the possibility of being able to boot Puppy linux on it, I went to the BIOS setup page.
On it, I saw the option to choose Legacy boot.
But it also had another that had something like a switch to toggle an option to inspect suspicious software/DVD/CD and stop if it was detected.
That switch worried me.
Could it mean that the option, if on, would see any other OS as suspicious and fail to boot?

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#29 Post by nooby »

The odd thing is that officially I am a very low income retired
living on the minimum pension that everybody get.

Some 10.000 SEK so that is about 8000 when tax is paid
so that is about 1200USD a month and then you pay for the apartment
and food and electricity and so on. But still due to cheap apartment
and me drink neither beer nor coffee or coke I can buy a 3000SEK
cheap computer a month and it would only hurt my stingy pride whatever.

So to find out what would happen I could just buy one as an experiment
but it seems a waist of money to do it. Kind of odd that so few tells us
what happens and what machine they tested it on. we maybe have to
frequent other forum to find out.
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#30 Post by bill »

Hi nooby,This whole scenario reminds me of the old XT computers that were sold to customers as being IBM PC compatible.They were somewhat less expensive ,so my boss at the time ,shelled out his money,and became a proud
owner of one.Unfortunately it refused to run some programs that my boss had
wanted to run.So after burning a different bios chip,installing,it became truly compatible.I reckon the moral of this story is "Look before you leap,the water may be deep" Cheap prices may be like Forrest Gumps "Box of chocolates" "You never know what you will get" :wink: cheers

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#32 Post by greengeek »

I can't escape the feeling that UEFI is nasty. It would force me to trust the supplier of a software OS that I could not ever trust.

Maybe at the moment it is possible to find a 'backdoor' through the UEFI but how long before it becomes impenetrable to Linux users (or any other 'non-approved' end user).

I will be writing to my local hardware suppliers to ask them for a list of non-UEFI hardware. Might pay to get some while it is available...

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