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peebee


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PostPosted: Thu 28 Feb 2013, 14:19    Post subject:  

ally wrote:
hey peebee

there is a note at the bottom of the announcement on barry's blog

you have to select change folder, it's a known bug

it worked ok for me

http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/quirky-5.4.91/quirky-5.4.91-readme.htm

Smile


Hi Ally

Yep - saw that note - I'm reporting a further problem on top of the one identified by Barry - I think!

Cheers
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PostPosted: Thu 28 Feb 2013, 15:06    Post subject: Special features of Quirky 5.4.91  

I made a quirky5491 directory on my 8gb SDHC card that has a slacko
5404 install on it as well.
I added to my menu.lst:
title Quirky 5.4.91 (sdb1/quirky5491)
uuid 1911d73f-91f4-48c7-98f5-a4f11ab9b216
kernel /quirky5491/kernel.qky pmedia=usbflash psubdir=quirky5491

It booted as normal and graphics,sound,network all good.
I rebooted creating a 512mb savefile (after changing to the proper
directory) and it's working fine I think.

# uname -ra
Linux puppypc13896 3.8.0 #1 SMP Wed Feb 27 09:46:01 WST 2013 i686 GNU/Linux

Report Video 1.3 - Thu 28 Feb 2013 on Racy Puppy 5.4.91 - Linux 3.8.0 i686
Chip description:
5.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS
product: RS780 01.00
X Server: Xorg Driver used: radeon
X.Org version: 1.11.0
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

I did a test of kernel.qky on a pc with nvidia graphics and that
didn't go so well, got to the desktop but not a proper resolution and
trying to change it didn't work.

I installed the f2fs-tools-20130213-i486-static.pet and
f2fs-tools_DOC-20130213-i486-static.pet then stuck another SDHC card
in a usb adaptor and I was able to format it f2fs (I saw the command
elsewhere in a message by ETP), I created a quirky5491 directory and
then copied kernel.qky into the directory.
When I ran grub4dos it didn't see the flashdrive so that was the end
of that.
I'm afraid this is beyond me, going to need lots of hand holding for
this one.
Maybe it'll be easier to accomplish in the next quirky release Smile
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PostPosted: Thu 28 Feb 2013, 18:27    Post subject:  

Manual frugal install on a Compaq Armada M700 PIII 850mhz and 576mb ram.
Takes about 2min 20 seconds until the Quick Setup window pops up.
Using about 300mb of ram.
Sound detected and wifi setup was no problem. Downloaded flashplayer and was able to watch a Youtube video at low quality (240p).
Not been able to to get a savefile after a couple of tries - even at 32mb.
[CORRECTION] - savefiles had been created outside the directory (got a lot of stuff on that partition and missed them...)
Copied original 128mb savefile into the Quirky directory and it has loaded without problem.


Had to use this to boot with grub4dos:
Code:
title Quirky 5.4.91 (sda3/quirky5.4.91)
  find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /quirky5.4.91/kernel.qky
  kernel /quirky5.4.91/kernel.qky  pmedia=atahd psubdir=quirky5.4.91
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Mar 2013, 00:08    Post subject:  

Booted from a flash drive, the drive was already bootable, so I copied kernel.qky to / of the flash drive and edited the syslinux.cfg to read
Code:
default kernel.qky  pmedia=usbflash pfix=nox

I needed the pfix=nox as without it the display was corrupted and locked up, I ran xorgwizard which fixed the problem, I'm running a Nvidia Geforce 8600 GT, created a 4fs save, rebooted, everything runs fine.

Very slow loading the kernel though, takes well over a minute.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Mar 2013, 14:09    Post subject: System Halted msg  

Crying or Very sad did not even get past decompression md5sum checked ok.

On my Acer aspire one.... 1G ram

Booting 'Quirky 5.4.91'

[linux-bzImage, setup=0x3800, size=0x7d77c10]


uncompression error

-- System halted
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James C


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PostPosted: Fri 01 Mar 2013, 15:38    Post subject:  

Since I have frugal installs of both the latest Racy and Quirky on this old Athlon XP box I did a little very unscientific comparison of boot time and ram usage at idle.
Boot time is the average of 3 boots of each version from selection in grub to a full desktop.


Quirky
boot 23 seconds average

Code:
# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:       1033472       551252       482220            0        46112
-/+ buffers:             505140       528332
Swap:      1228936            0      1228936
#


Racy
boot 19 seconds average

Code:
# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:       1033996       166452       867544            0        19424
-/+ buffers:             147028       886968
Swap:      1228936            0      1228936
#


Quirky still has the annoying habit of not booting about 1 time out of 3...... when grub finds the kernel all activity stops necessitating a hard reboot.
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Mar 2013, 16:41    Post subject:  

Just to clarify memory usage, which I didn't do a good job of before:
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Mar 2013, 00:31    Post subject: Re: System Halted msg  

Ted Dog wrote:
Crying or Very sad did not even get past decompression md5sum checked ok.

On my Acer aspire one.... 1G ram

Booting 'Quirky 5.4.91'

[linux-bzImage, setup=0x3800, size=0x7d77c10]
uncompression error
-- System halted
Same
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Mar 2013, 12:42    Post subject:  Grub4dos Acer one boot error  

Made a quicky quirky iso file using boot files using isolinux.bin it did boot correctly on my acer one that failed with grub4dos on the same machine.

Add
Label q
Kernel kernel.qky

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Mar 2013, 06:14    Post subject: Special features of Quirky 5.4.91
Subject description: Discussion of "one file" Quirky and f2fs
 

Hi Barry,

Quote:
But, should the version number be included?
In that case, it would be 'racy-5.4.91.pup'


Given a past experience detailed in a few posts starting here:

www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=579686#579686

I would caution against including numerical version numbers in the name as they may be perceived as VGA boot codes. (“quirky-v-two.pup” might be safer)

Boot-loading.

The following link, although ARM related, may provide inspiration.

www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-linux-bootloader.php

I do not know whether it would be feasible to use a cut down version of the 3.8 kernel to act as a boot-loader? Its sole purpose would be to load the Quirky file held on or installed to an f2fs partition.

At this point my ambitions exceed my abilities so I rest my paws. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon 04 Mar 2013, 19:26    Post subject:  

Hi

I discover this thread only now but use Quirky since the first minutes it was online and did already ask something:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=84669

as it did be published in this form. As usual with Quirkies: absolutely no problem, all is perfect! but I will use it without save file and need to include my setting values in it to avoid to have to reenter them as in the old time from Puppy 1.0 and more early!

How good or bad are the possibilities to remaster it?

Is it possible to do the same with other Puppys Question

(make an all-in-kernel-puplet of them Idea , of course again with my settings for the same reason: the this part could be a kind of super-remaster-operation after the first start an setting up and without save file asking leaving it - can be remplaced by the same thing, but in the menu where the most logic place Idea would really be...: the user don't wishing some save file because he uses Puppy outside his home, where he is working, in a "internet drinking place", at school, etc. and saves his pure user data on a stick, for the actual doc an very old PC's is an old floppy yet good enough, and there is absolutely no way to loge a real save file on a floppy disk, can nobody understand it?, or somewhat else, has to answer the question ALL shutdowns or reboots instead that the user wishing a save file would have to search ONE UNIQUE time in the menu? it can not be right as permanent long time situation! is fully unlogic! Puppy builds logic limitations into himself... and it is about the same with greatings and setting up a first start time: first start time is without save file really each reboot Mad and there are dedicaced icones for setup directly on the desktop as well as an help item in the menu! Laughing )

why do that with all puplets: over the already mentioned reasons a new one appears to be really very true: absolutely no problem with boot loaders (including the new GNU Grub, also named by a lot of people Grub2 or GrubPC. The start with Grub2 as kernel is as easy, really, that it is possible to do it in the command line interpreter in full discretion, that Grub2 offers now to all users! And it is not really complexe to learn it): the user needs only the presence of the all-in-the-kernel on the PC, and can negociate it with the PC owner, and use no memory on the hard disk else for the kernel, and if not availble, a swap file perhaps, depending of the PC and the size of the all-in-the-kernel file to use temporarily.

There are very great advantages especially in countries where old PCs are more often because of need of more economic developement!

Please, let us discuss on the need of those avoidable stops (divers puplets use already temporary greetings erasing itself after a few seconds). a setting up and an help requirement icone on the desktop, an perhaps a new creating save file icone staying on the top as long no save file exists does exactly the same Rolling Eyes !

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Mar 2013, 02:20    Post subject:  

Here is a crazy suggestion?

Instead of having a savefile one can do the opposite.
To have a set up text file that works in same way as
the set up file that tells Puppy how much to increase
the size of the save file. or the pfix=ram

these tell Puppy what the user wants to be done
and one can do all the personal settings in same way.

So the user make a simple text file that says.
setxkbmap se
time zone Stockholm for city/Country
Firewall on, Single click instead of Double click
No Screen saver activated, No list of thumbs,
and other such personal settings.

Then all programs are .sfs files that one loads
as needed and that way no need for any save file ever.

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Mar 2013, 10:47    Post subject: Samsung Brings Fixes To F2FS In Linux 3.9 Kernel
Subject description: (Posted by Michael Larabel on February 25, 2013)
 

Please see:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxMTU

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Mar 2013, 11:58    Post subject:  

Hi Nooby

Excellent:

nooby wrote:
Here is a crazy suggestion?

Instead of having a savefile one can do the opposite.
To have a set up text file that works in same way as
the set up file that tells Puppy how much to increase
the size of the save file. or the pfix=ram

these tell Puppy what the user wants to be done
and one can do all the personal settings in same way.

So the user make a simple text file that says.
setxkbmap se
time zone Stockholm for city/Country
Firewall on, Single click instead of Double click
No Screen saver activated, No list of thumbs,
and other such personal settings.

Then all programs are .sfs files that one loads
as needed and that way no need for any save file ever.


Exclamation

this would be a great progress really don't to include wrong personal data at all but only good ones, adding an example file in the distribution valid only if no other file exists in the subdir where the big kernel is logged in (in the same kind as JWM does: if no .jwmrc available as ~/.jwmrc, JWM uses the one beeing in /etc/jwm/system-jwmrc in distros like Debian).

rgds

note: sigmargl did introduce such a text file in his ArchPup, named /root/.start ...
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Mar 2013, 11:46    Post subject:  

He mention .start here
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=667015#667015
Inside root folder you have hidden file .start. To change keyboard layout replace:
setxkbmap bs &
with
setxkbmap us &

But that only works if one have a save file AFAIK?

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