Special features of Quirky 5.4.91

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James C
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#21 Post by James C »

Since I have frugal installs of both the latest Racy and Quirky on this old Athlon XP box I did a little very unscientific comparison of boot time and ram usage at idle.
Boot time is the average of 3 boots of each version from selection in grub to a full desktop.


Quirky
boot 23 seconds average

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# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:       1033472       551252       482220            0        46112
-/+ buffers:             505140       528332
Swap:      1228936            0      1228936
# 
Racy
boot 19 seconds average

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# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:       1033996       166452       867544            0        19424
-/+ buffers:             147028       886968
Swap:      1228936            0      1228936
# 
Quirky still has the annoying habit of not booting about 1 time out of 3...... when grub finds the kernel all activity stops necessitating a hard reboot.

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#22 Post by Keef »

Just to clarify memory usage, which I didn't do a good job of before:
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Re: System Halted msg

#23 Post by gcmartin »

Ted Dog wrote::cry: did not even get past decompression md5sum checked ok.

On my Acer aspire one.... 1G ram

Booting 'Quirky 5.4.91'

[linux-bzImage, setup=0x3800, size=0x7d77c10]
uncompression error
-- System halted
Same

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Grub4dos Acer one boot error

#24 Post by Ted Dog »

Made a quicky quirky iso file using boot files using isolinux.bin it did boot correctly on my acer one that failed with grub4dos on the same machine.

Add
Label q
Kernel kernel.qky

To isolinux.cfg

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Special features of Quirky 5.4.91

#25 Post by ETP »

Hi Barry,
But, should the version number be included?
In that case, it would be 'racy-5.4.91.pup'


Given a past experience detailed in a few posts starting here:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 686#579686

I would caution against including numerical version numbers in the name as they may be perceived as VGA boot codes. (“quirky-v-two.pup
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#26 Post by oui »

Hi

I discover this thread only now but use Quirky since the first minutes it was online and did already ask something:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=84669

as it did be published in this form. As usual with Quirkies: absolutely no problem, all is perfect! but I will use it without save file and need to include my setting values in it to avoid to have to reenter them as in the old time from Puppy 1.0 and more early!

How good or bad are the possibilities to remaster it?

Is it possible to do the same with other Puppys :?:

(make an all-in-kernel-puplet of them :idea: , of course again with my settings for the same reason: the this part could be a kind of super-remaster-operation after the first start an setting up and without save file asking leaving it - can be remplaced by the same thing, but in the menu where the most logic place :idea: would really be...: the user don't wishing some save file because he uses Puppy outside his home, where he is working, in a "internet drinking place", at school, etc. and saves his pure user data on a stick, for the actual doc an very old PC's is an old floppy yet good enough, and there is absolutely no way to loge a real save file on a floppy disk, can nobody understand it?, or somewhat else, has to answer the question ALL shutdowns or reboots instead that the user wishing a save file would have to search ONE UNIQUE time in the menu? it can not be right as permanent long time situation! is fully unlogic! Puppy builds logic limitations into himself... and it is about the same with greatings and setting up a first start time: first start time is without save file really each reboot :x and there are dedicaced icones for setup directly on the desktop as well as an help item in the menu! :lol: )

why do that with all puplets: over the already mentioned reasons a new one appears to be really very true: absolutely no problem with boot loaders (including the new GNU Grub, also named by a lot of people Grub2 or GrubPC. The start with Grub2 as kernel is as easy, really, that it is possible to do it in the command line interpreter in full discretion, that Grub2 offers now to all users! And it is not really complexe to learn it): the user needs only the presence of the all-in-the-kernel on the PC, and can negociate it with the PC owner, and use no memory on the hard disk else for the kernel, and if not availble, a swap file perhaps, depending of the PC and the size of the all-in-the-kernel file to use temporarily.

There are very great advantages especially in countries where old PCs are more often because of need of more economic developement!

Please, let us discuss on the need of those avoidable stops (divers puplets use already temporary greetings erasing itself after a few seconds). a setting up and an help requirement icone on the desktop, an perhaps a new creating save file icone staying on the top as long no save file exists does exactly the same :roll: !

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#27 Post by nooby »

Here is a crazy suggestion?

Instead of having a savefile one can do the opposite.
To have a set up text file that works in same way as
the set up file that tells Puppy how much to increase
the size of the save file. or the pfix=ram

these tell Puppy what the user wants to be done
and one can do all the personal settings in same way.

So the user make a simple text file that says.
setxkbmap se
time zone Stockholm for city/Country
Firewall on, Single click instead of Double click
No Screen saver activated, No list of thumbs,
and other such personal settings.

Then all programs are .sfs files that one loads
as needed and that way no need for any save file ever.
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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#28 Post by ETP »

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#29 Post by oui »

Hi Nooby

Excellent:
nooby wrote:Here is a crazy suggestion?

Instead of having a savefile one can do the opposite.
To have a set up text file that works in same way as
the set up file that tells Puppy how much to increase
the size of the save file. or the pfix=ram

these tell Puppy what the user wants to be done
and one can do all the personal settings in same way.

So the user make a simple text file that says.
setxkbmap se
time zone Stockholm for city/Country
Firewall on, Single click instead of Double click
No Screen saver activated, No list of thumbs,
and other such personal settings.

Then all programs are .sfs files that one loads
as needed and that way no need for any save file ever.
:!:

this would be a great progress really don't to include wrong personal data at all but only good ones, adding an example file in the distribution valid only if no other file exists in the subdir where the big kernel is logged in (in the same kind as JWM does: if no .jwmrc available as ~/.jwmrc, JWM uses the one beeing in /etc/jwm/system-jwmrc in distros like Debian).

rgds

note: sigmargl did introduce such a text file in his ArchPup, named /root/.start ...

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#30 Post by nooby »

He mention .start here
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 015#667015
Inside root folder you have hidden file .start. To change keyboard layout replace:
setxkbmap bs &
with
setxkbmap us &

But that only works if one have a save file AFAIK?
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

oui

#31 Post by oui »

Hi nooby
nooby wrote:He mention .start here
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 015#667015
Inside root folder you have hidden file .start. To change keyboard layout replace:
setxkbmap bs &
with
setxkbmap us &

But that only works if one have a save file AFAIK?
so as delivered in the iso, yes, you are right!

I continue to use ArchPup 12.12 :idea: (not the newer! I did test them, they are not good concerning such an use!) and have some experience in it...

and the iso doesn't include some script "fast remaster with you new /root/.start"

but it would possible to include one!

and more...

in my /root/.start,

a/ /root/.start arrange (manually) a /mnt/home as in each Puppy (reason: all other definitions can be neutral for /mnt/home, not especially for /mnt/sda1 or /mnt/sda2 etc.)
b/ /root/.start copy my /mnt/home/seamonkey/ into /root/.mozilla :wink:

so that I have all settings for mozilla but never save unwished personal data back :idea: (mozilla is highly undiscret) as I don't use save files any more or really only very limited save files (32 Mb because less is not possible in Puppy! 1,45 Mb = a floppy disk would be more bettet :lol: :idea: !)

c/ adapt my keyboard as in 10 YEARS Puppy was not able to learn, that Swiss People have an own keyboard layout (poor Swiss people: they are comdemned to create her own Linux if they wish to write on her own keyboard layout, and what for grandios Linuxes: SliTaz made in Swiss, NuTyx made in Swiss, a grandios fully automatic compiled version of LFS, Debris Linux, a shrink form of Ubuntu, live, in 4 tongues of courses, as SliTaz, in 180 MB, as a lot of Puppies not beeing friendly able to handle 4 languages :roll: . Ok, Debris would need some freshness now. But an 100 % compatible from his actual Ubuntu at parution time in 180 MB, the size of a lot of new Puppies...).

and that the US keyboard

that itself offers 2 great international keyboard layout: US accentos, a part of US intl (you can write with US intl 10..15 different languages completely right! but Puppy will continue to ignore that reallity and offers ONLY a selection's screen where it is only possible to select under 100 possible selections... I suppose that the US_intl keyboard can handle the initial language of a lot of mens wishing to ignore now other languages than English...

...the wrong one! No possibility to entry one right one :oops: ).

(explanation: I write US_intl on a CH_de hardware keyboard: the maximal bad constallation...)

in Quirky all-in-the-kernel it is of course a terrible situation:

actually

you can't remaster any more, it seems to be so :x ...

rgds

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#32 Post by nooby »

Yes you are right. we need to find a Linux Developer
that have the same idea that you describe here.

that the user should be able to tell the Iso or at least
the frugal install what kind of personal settings they want
without making save files and then each program
should be modular in that one can chose which one
to load on the fly and so no need for to have save files.

Maybe we derail the thread? Sorry
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

oui

#33 Post by oui »

Hi Nooby
nooby wrote:Maybe we derail the thread? Sorry
perhaps...

but look on this:
oui

Joined: 20 May 2005
you know how many forum users are so long member of the forum and have writen more than 1000 messages (=are really active) and are longer member as I?

less than 10!

(and I was adept of Puppy before the forum did exist! I did really use version 0.4 dailly! I have yet the ISO with only 24 MB if I good remember)

and

since this time I plead to take care on poor user of the rest of world don't using English daily, poor Swiss people etc. All the message are yet in the forum, you can read them again! The messages from May 2005 are yet readable and I thank John Murga for that, that he did never erase or loose some part of the data base...

Quirky 5.4.91 is the starting point of, perhaps, but I am really optimist, that it is so, a new aera in building new distributions

but

it is the actual stand of the matter

without chance to remasterize such errors as forget a such important population of the world as are the Swiss people (I am not Swiss at all: I only join to the same language problems: My mother tongue is French, I never did learn English. My family language is German! It is the situation of millions of European people: live on a old land demarcations line in a continent making it very difficult to unify itself!)... As Puppy did appear, they were not Slitaz, no BeatrIX/Debris, no Nutyx! They did become necessary because of the absence of distro taking consideration the needs of the highly performant little Swiss people :roll: , an error made even by German people themself until yet (Lazy Puppy in German :lol: : no Swiss keyboard possible :wink: !!! we write 2013 :idea: ! Download the ISO and look yourself if you think I would exaggerate!)

kind rgds

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suggestion for Quirky

#36 Post by vflower »

Nowadays RAM is very cheap and harddisk is extremely fast and thus provide very suitable condition for this single big “kernel.qky

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