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musher0


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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 00:53    Post subject:  
simargl wrote:
Hex musher0, I don't think you're doing anything wrong

This is issue probably caused by missing xf86-video-ati package - assumed that error appears before Xorg should start, not right on startup

following xorg video drivers are included:
xf86-video-fbdev-0.4.3-3.spkg
xf86-video-intel-2.21.3-1.spkg
xf86-video-nv-2.1.20-3.spkg
xf86-video-vesa-2.3.2-2.spkg

I thought this generic vesa driver would work for everyone...


Thanks, simagil, for reassuring me (and thanks also to "session"). I'll have to wait for the next version, I guess!

Anyway, keep up the good work! Smile

BFN.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 03:35    Post subject: Re: alphaOS
Subject description: Please include pacman		  
rameshiyer wrote:
Dear Simargl.

My humble request is to include Pacman also in alphaos. This is very easy to use and a versatile package handler. Moreover, powerful also. I like it very much. Others also having same opinion.


It's not possible to include pacman because it would be broken, and I believe that every OS
should have just one package manager. Just try spkg -a pkgname, and it will convert PKGBUILD
from Arch repository or from AUR, to def script; compiling new package is so easy that way.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 04:07    Post subject:  
musher0,

if you are interested to test xf86-video-ati package (unsquash one of two main sfs, add that package files and compress sfs again) -
let me know I'll make and upload package somewhere , that is not hard to do.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 05:14    Post subject: Re: alphaOS
Subject description: Please include pacman		  
simargl wrote:
rameshiyer wrote:
Dear Simargl.

My humble request is to include Pacman also in alphaos. This is very easy to use and a versatile package handler. Moreover, powerful also. I like it very much. Others also having same opinion.


It's not possible to include pacman because it would be broken, and I believe that every OS
should have just one package manager. Just try spkg -a pkgname, and it will convert PKGBUILD
from Arch repository or from AUR, to def script; compiling new package is so easy that way.


It would be nice to have a little example walk thru on how to take a 'pacman' package and make it an alpha-package.

When Alpha loads additional SFSs does it update the list of packages installed?
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 05:39    Post subject:  
Qt4 package is compiling, and expect it soon to appear in the repository Cool

darkcity,

How to install Arch package in Alpha OS?

- script called paka used for making ArchPup is still here in Alpha, so you can install
any Arch package from any date. package is first converted to spkg format and then installed:

1) (optional) open /usr/bin/paka and change date if you want (default date="2013/03/18")

2) type: paka -Syu. This will make packages list

3) Search for package: paka -Ss pkgname

4) Convert and install package: paka -S fullpackagename

5) Convert but do not install package:paka -Sd fullpackagename

Important: Script does not resolve dependencies, and 2nd argument must be full package name

This is for directly installing Arch packages, I prefer to convert PKGBUILD to def and then compile package in Alpha OS,

although sometimes it only make sense to use Arch packages. For example gparted in Alpha is just converted Arch package

as compiling whole gtkmm, glibmm, cairomm.... for just one program would be ridiculous.


How to convert PKGBUILD from Arch to compatible def script?

spkg -a pkgname

Conversion is very good but not perfect; for example package function may require editing and package category is always set to development.

This works for ALL Arch packages, for those in official repositories and also for AUR https://aur.archlinux.org/
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 09:50    Post subject:  
simargl wrote:
musher0,

if you are interested to test xf86-video-ati package (unsquash one of two main sfs, add that package files and compress sfs again) -
let me know I'll make and upload package somewhere , that is not hard to do.


Hello, simargil.

Well, if it's not too much trouble, I'd like that, because I'd very much like to see your new distro.

Thanks in advance.

musher0
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 11:04    Post subject:  
Ok, I compiled xf86-video-ati first, and it showed this:

configure: The atimisc sub-driver has been split out to xf86-video-mach64:
git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-mach64
Please install that driver as well for mach64-based cards.

configure: The r128 sub-driver has been split out to xf86-video-r128:
git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-r128
Please install that driver as well for rage128-based cards.

So, in attachment is also included xf86-video-r128. Please test - if they work for you I will add
those two packages by default in next release.

Regards
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 11:30    Post subject:  
@simargl - much thanks Cool

I was only just getting my head round pacman (never used Arch Linux), so this guide definitely help. I appreciate native compiling is better, but the convenience of a ready compiled repository is something I find very handy.
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 15:00    Post subject:  
simargl wrote:
Ok, I compiled xf86-video-ati first, and it showed this:

configure: The atimisc sub-driver has been split out to xf86-video-mach64:
git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-mach64
Please install that driver as well for mach64-based cards.

configure: The r128 sub-driver has been split out to xf86-video-r128:
git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-r128
Please install that driver as well for rage128-based cards.

So, in attachment is also included xf86-video-r128. Please test - if they work for you I will add
those two packages by default in next release.

Regards


Thanks, simargil.

Obviously, I'll have to integrate your package to the alphaOS squash file from outside of alphaOS, since with my set-up the alphaOS console is kaput at the moment. Can you explain to me how I can do it without destroying anything?

Thanks in advance.

musher0
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 15:59    Post subject:  
simargl wrote:

Important: Script does not resolve dependencies, and 2nd argument must be full package name

This is for directly installing Arch packages, I prefer to convert PKGBUILD to def and then compile package in Alpha OS,


So how do you handle dependencies?

If not using paca but convert PKGBUILD to def will this
automagically include dependencies?
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 18:50    Post subject:  
Scooby wrote:
simargl wrote:

Important: Script does not resolve dependencies, and 2nd argument must be full package name

This is for directly installing Arch packages, I prefer to convert PKGBUILD to def and then compile package in Alpha OS,


So how do you handle dependencies?

If not using paca but convert PKGBUILD to def will this
automagically include dependencies?


paka script was made with goal to just convert Arch package to spkg format for Archpup, handling
dependencies there was not necessary - that script is still exactly the same.

When you convert PKGBUILD to def, dependencies will be written to def file and they will be
automatically installed with main package from the mirror.

example: if you type spkg -gi qt4 (or use gui package manager)
dependency sqlite will also be installed, because Qt depends on that package
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 18:54    Post subject:  
musher0 wrote:
simargl wrote:
Ok, I compiled xf86-video-ati first, and it showed this:

configure: The atimisc sub-driver has been split out to xf86-video-mach64:
git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-mach64
Please install that driver as well for mach64-based cards.

configure: The r128 sub-driver has been split out to xf86-video-r128:
git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-r128
Please install that driver as well for rage128-based cards.

So, in attachment is also included xf86-video-r128. Please test - if they work for you I will add
those two packages by default in next release.

Regards


Thanks, simargil.

Obviously, I'll have to integrate your package to the alphaOS squash file from outside of alphaOS, since with my set-up the alphaOS console is kaput at the moment. Can you explain to me how I can do it without destroying anything?

Thanks in advance.

musher0


unsquashfs alpha_200.sfs

Add files from the archive above and then

mksquashfs squashfs-root alpha_200.sfs
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 19:15    Post subject:  
simargl wrote:
unsquashfs alpha_200.sfs

Add files from the archive above and then

mksquashfs squashfs-root alpha_200.sfs

Beat me to it, since Rox-filer in Wary chokes on this sfs.

The package for r128 works, visually it's a beautiful OS...
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 19:17    Post subject:  
simargl wrote:
if you type spkg -gi qt4 (or use gui package manager)
dependency sqlite will also be installed, because Qt depends on that package


i didn't know it would handle the dependencies with that command. spkg is really nice for compiling software from source.

was wondering though...'if' i wanted to install KDE...about how long do you think that might take. i haven't even tried it yet because the thought of it is daunting. compiling KDE from source would take an astronomical amount of time wouldn't it?
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Mar 2013, 19:19    Post subject:  
session wrote:
simargl wrote:
unsquashfs alpha_200.sfs

Add files from the archive above and then

mksquashfs squashfs-root alpha_200.sfs

Beat me to it, since Rox-filer in Wary chokes on this sfs.

The package for r128 works, it's a beautiful OS...


Ok, great! Those two packages will be in next main iso...
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