Upup Precise 3.8.3.1 created by using up-to-date Woof

[anikin]

Hi ally,

can you upload your files?

Pemasu has already built in "eee.ko" into this realease and it works perfectly.
Regarding JWM, I have made it machine specific, that is I used "march=native" for CFLAGS as opposed to "mtune=native" in the howto, so if your cpu is Atom, it should work on your board. Although, I'm not totally sure. I can upload it, no big deal. Before I do, though I strongly urge you to have a look at this excellent tutorial, that makes compiling JWM a piece of cake: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 046#692046

[artsown]

Pemasu, there is a PDF issue discussed here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 8&start=90
that led me to check other pups. I found your 3.8.3.1 and also your
Wheezy have problems as well. In fact, Wheezy only displays page 1
of 27. Your Precise doesn't display any of the many graphical
illustrations. You can use Slacko 5.5 as a reference since it works.

Art

[pemasu]

Artsown. Yeah. Libpoppler and libpoppler-glib is too old. It would need newer version. How I opened that pdf so that the illustrations also showed. I installed google-chrome and then I edited /root/Choices/MIME-types/application_pdf to open pdf in google-chrome.

It showed those illustrations just fine. Nothing hilarious. Experiments with living animals is not my favourite suspect.

[sszindian]

Upup Precise-3.8.3.1

For those of you who have stored some of your old laptops, notebooks and the like... go dig em out!

I decided to try this new Precise-3.8.3.1 on my old notebook...

IBM Thinkpad Model T22
513MB RAM (I just received new RAM chips I ordered from ebay... Japan I believe... advertised as 512MB... however after installing I get 513MB?)
20GB HDD.

I booted Precise-3.8.3.1 strictly from the CD and created a savefile to the HDD - I find this a good way to have multiple Puppy distro's for easy access and testing.

Well... the old T22 seemed to fall in love with Precise-3.8.3.1 as 'EVERYTHING' works OTB without a single issue and the speed is up to par as with other newer puppy builds!

Works really well and the 'no issues' really surprised me and believe me, I test a lot of puppy builds on this old box...

Good job Pemasu!

>>>---Indian------>

[ETP]

Hi pemasu,
Fresh manual frugal install to vfat/f2fs USB2 stick.Syslinux 4.04 boot with kernel held on 16Meg 1st partition and savefile (ext4) & sfs files on 2nd f2fs partition.
Initial boot to desktop with working sound,wired ethernet and Nouveau driver at correct res. (1920x1080)

The following pets & sfs were installed and tested.

• PETS
  lxtask-0.1.4|LXTask task manager
  tempiconsvg-0.17-i486|no description provided
  lxtask-0.1.4|LXTask task manager
  PupSnap-1.8_Scrot-0.8_32Bit|PupSnap screen capture
  pupsaveconfig-2.2.5|PupSave personal storage setup
  video-info-glx-1.5.1-noarch|OpenGL Graphics/CPU Report
  chromium-25.0.1323.1-i686-1sl|Browse the Web
  thunderbird-16.0.1|Thunderbird mail reader
  pupsaveconfig-2.2.5|PupSave personal storage setup
  faenza_lrx_new|
  flashplayer11-11.2.202.275|Adobe Flash Player 11 browser plugin and Preferences. Note, this may not work on older PCs, use instead an earlier 11.x or even 10.x
  Roxterm-1.17.1-Lucid|Use the command line with copy & paste
  smplayer-0.8.3-precise|Add file(s) to the SMPlayer playlist
  smtube-1.5-precise|Search and download videos from YouTube
  xdotool-2.20110530.1-3|no description provided
  tickr-0.6.0-i686|RSS Feed Reader
  
  SFS
  qt-4.8.2.sfs

This is the fastest booting Pup I have tested to date. I was almost tempted to create an f2fs partition on my SSD - "Honey I shrunk my NTFS partition" but will await the improvements to f2fs in the 3.9 kernel.
Very well done.

[pemasu]

I have compiled youtube fixed Umplayer and uploaded it to the repo.
Smplayer is the maintained mplayer frontend and Umplayer is fork which is not actively maintained. Smplayer provides nice subtitles downloader and that is why it is my main multimedia app when I need subtitles.
Anyway....Smplayer team has patched the Umplayer for youtube.

Umplayer provides youtube integration in main app. It still might be something people prefer.

There is also 666philb packaged gtk-youtube-viewer which is great app for viewing youtube videos and for downloading them.

Anyway....Umplayer-0.9.8.2 is in the repo.
http://www.smokey01.com/pemasu/pet_packages-upup/

[pemasu]

ETP.

"Honey I shrunk my NTFS partition"

Reply: "Honey, If facebook, mail and youtube does not work in Windows, I will shrink you !"

Beware the consequences. Lol.

F2fs is the fastest filesystem for SSD drives. Phoronix tested several filesystems and f2fs beated them.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=a ... 9_fs&num=4

Overall, F2FS was the fastest for the solid-state drive but not many production users may be ready to yet put their faith into this brand new Linux file-system. Meanwhile, EXT4 and XFS are proven and tested and generally running quite well. Btrfs didn't win as many tests as it once did, but it does continue to offer a plethora of advanced file-system features.

[artsown]

Pemasu, please bear with my nooby kind of question. I could find no
way to update seamonkey but I manged to do a clumsy workaround.
I "downdated" from 2.13 to 2,12 using a pet. I then got a update
option under the SM Help menu which I used to update to 2.16. What
is a better (or recommended) method?

BTW, your 3.8.3.1 is looking good here on my pentium 4 desktops.
My one "problem" machine doesn't freeze up during startup the way
Precise 5.5 and Slacko 5.5 often do on the initial startup. I dunno
if the improved behaviour is due to woof fixes or the kernel used, but
it's nice to see.

Art

[pemasu]

Artsown. I have used Barry Kauler`s self-compiled version. There seems to be now newer Barry`s compiled one, seamonkey-2.15.2.
I seem to have missed that one.

Anyway those compiled ones are not in the update channel, it seems.

How I would update them. I would download from Seamonkey site the latest one, uncompress it and then I would swap the contents of /usr/lib/seamonkey folder, in this case the folder /usr/lib/seamonkey-2.13.1. That way you would get the latest Seamonkey and you would be in update channel and no need to eat savefile more than needed.

I could provide official seamonkey in next releases so that they would be in the update channel straight.
I prefer Firefox but I would not like to steer too much away from Precise Puppy heritage.

My one "problem" machine doesn't freeze up during startup the way
Precise 5.5 and Slacko 5.5 often do on the initial startup

I believe it is due to non-PAE kernel choice. The impact of PAE or non-PAE probably has the most important difference.

[artsown]

Pemasu, thanks for your response. Considering use of pups by the
general public I think it would be great if you provided a "active
update channel" seamonkey.

Like you, my preferred browser has been Firefox but I've gotten used
to SM which is usually just as fast it seems if kept up to date.

Art

[Ray MK]

Pemasu wrote:
How I would update them. I would download from Seamonkey site the latest one, uncompress it and then I would swap the contents of /usr/lib/seamonkey folder, in this case the folder /usr/lib/seamonkey-2.13.1. That way you would get the latest Seamonkey and you would be in update channel and no need to eat savefile more than needed.

Just tried it in UP-3.8.3.1 and it works - fantastic - so easy. Now running SM-2.17b1 - nice.

Mem: 891352K used, 913360K free, 0K shrd, 74736K buff, 664536K cached
CPU: 1% usr 0% sys 0% nic 97% idle 0% io 0% irq 0% sirq
Load average: 0.11 0.11 0.13 2/132 14798
# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 1804712 895364 909348 0 74736
-/+ buffers: 820628 984084
Swap: 0 0 0
#
# uname -a
Linux puppypc4551 3.8.3-upup #1 SMP Sun Mar 17 20:12:06 GMT-8 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
#

JFYI - UP-3.8.3.1 is insanely fast on my E732 laptop - luvly puppy.

[pemasu]

Posting from f2fs formatted usb stick with latest Upup Precise.

ETP has done splendid work with f2fs experiments and now 01micko has created script based on that work.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 239#694239

The pet replaces existing syslinux and extlinux binaries so that there is support for f2fs booting.

I have used syslinux-3.73.pet which is Barry Kaulers created one. It has tested support for puppy universal installer script. I dont know if the extlinux-syslinux replacing has any impact to other installing possiblities in Upup Precise. Probably not. Not tested by me anyway.

Swapping extlinux and syslinux from Ubuntu Precise .debs produces working solution also. Tested by me.

Anyway...installing the pet in above url link and then launching the installer I created working f2fs formatted usb stick and booted Upup Precise from it. The instructions were clear.

Thanks ETP and 01micko of your work with f2fs. Of course f2fs usage could be still called experimental with Puppies.

[01micko]

Hi pemasu,

Glad you like it

I'm grabbing 3.8.3.1 now to test out some new functionality. I just added the multiboot option and will install Upup-Precise along side PHATSlacko and see how it goes. . Next will be quirky support, but that might be awhile yet due to the different structure, that is the huge kernel type build.

I'll let you know how it goes.

[01micko]

Haha! Testing OP's (other people's in this case) distros is fun!

I got my dual boot working with F2FS but that can wait. I'll post more tomorrow.

Now, Upup.. I get correct res and all but the JWM taslbar only takes for 1024 of my width (all fullscreen apps too, native is 1366x768).

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Upup Precise, version 3.8.3.1

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
24
24
Modules requested to be loaded: synaptics dbe
Drivers requested to be loaded: intel fbdev vesa

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): intel
Loaded modules: dbe dri dri2 extmod fb glx kbd mouse record synaptics

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1366x768 pixels (361x203 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video

I'll attach screeny, hardinfo and pdiag. Make of it what you will.. I'll investigate more later.

[artsown]

Hello Ray MK from UK

The seamonkey update procedure I wound up using is:

1. Download the desired archive (to anywhere you like)
2. Delete /usr/lib/seamonkey directory
3. Extract the archive to /usr/lib (creates new seamonkey directory)
4. Delete /usr/bin/seamonkey-2.13.1
5. Rename /usr/lib/seamonkey to /usr/lib/seamonkey-2.13.1

I think this accomplishes the goal pemasu mentioned of minimizing
storage space and retaining the existing pointers (the browser and
email icons still work). But I had some difficulty "getting there" from
his instructions.

Is this basically what you did as well?

Art

[pemasu]

Artsown. Dont delete /usr/lib/seamonkey-2.13.1 folder or /usr/lib/seamonkey folder symlink. Just delete content of folder seamonkey-2.13.1. And replace the content from the uncompressed official version content.

The reason. /usr/bin/seamonkey is symlink to the /usr/lib/seamonkey-2.13.1/seamonkey.

Of course you can do as you suggested, but remember to fix the launching symlink in /usr/bin also.

My suggestion above was the one with least work.

01micko. Did you have external monitor connected. I have had similar experiences with some graphics drivers when I have used HDMI connection to my LCD TV.

[James C]

Report for whatever it's worth. On both a dual-core and quad-core with Nvidia Gforce 7025/nforce 630a graphics Precise 3.8.3.1 successfully boots to a desktop but within about 30 seconds totally freezes with a totally distorted display with no keyboard input possible leading to a hard poweroff. Repeated several times on both machines.

No problem on older Nvidia or Intel boxes.

[artsown]

Pemasu, I found no need to fix the launching symlink in /usr/bin
using the procedure I described. As I said, the browse and email
icons work fine after updating (if that's what you mean).

Art

[pemasu]

Posting this from Ringtail Puppy. I have gotten the modules loading almost there just by compiling full udev-175...or I think I also installed them, lol. I will post my finding to Barry Kauler.

James C. That is bad. I suppose nouveau with KMS enabled is not for mentioned comps.

Artsown. Your listing number 5. fixed the situation.
5. Rename /usr/lib/seamonkey to /usr/lib/seamonkey-2.13.1
All is well. There are many ways to the same result.

[James C]

James C. That is bad. I suppose nouveau with KMS enabled is not for mentioned comps.

I'm realistic enough to know that not all different versions of Linux will work out of the box on all hardware in every situation.

But,booted Precise 3.8.3.1 with nouveau.modeset=0 ...... got an incorrect 1280x1024 resolution but it hasn't frozen up yet.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Upup Precise, version 3.8.3.1

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768x16
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): nouveau
Loaded modules: dbe ddc dri dri2 extmod fb glx int10 kbd mouse record shadow vbe vesa

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1280x1024 pixels (339x271 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
# glxgears
3004 frames in 5.0 seconds = 600.747 FPS
3188 frames in 5.0 seconds = 637.572 FPS
3220 frames in 5.0 seconds = 643.821 FPS
3206 frames in 5.0 seconds = 641.168 FPS
3202 frames in 5.0 seconds = 640.362 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : 4x AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 620 Processor
Memory : 2853MB (207MB used)
Operating System : Unknown distribution
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sun 24 Mar 2013 01:44:30 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1280x1024 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x300)
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia


Going to attempt to change to the correct resolution...... if it doesn't freeze up or crash I'll post results in a few.