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How to get ISA sound from Lucid without Alsaconf?
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Kogije

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Mar 2013, 17:38    Post subject:  How to get ISA sound from Lucid without Alsaconf?
Subject description: Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 in an ISA slot
 

Okay, I'm running a OLD
500 MHz 32-bit AMD K6-2 with
512 MB Single Channel PC-100 RAM
32 MB Nvidia Riva TNT 2 Video Card
PCI NIC D-Link RTL8139
Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 on an ISA slot (model CT2770)
52x ASUS CD-ROM
80 Gig Maxtor EXT2 SDA1
60 Gig WD EXT2 SDB1
with Lucid Puppy 5.11 on SDB1

I'm using a fresh Install with a nvidia driver installed and working.

How do I make the Audio work WITHOUT USING Alsaconf

If I use Alsaconf the Video Playback drops to 1 frame per minute.

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Mar 2013, 18:02    Post subject:  

I think you may have a conflict between two sound modules (one of which should be blacklisted using System -> Bootmanager). Alsaconf may be activating both of these, causing various conflicts and upsetting your video framerate. Otherwise, I can't see how audio is effecting video in that way. Whilst video framerate is good, but audio not working, could you try running the following code, which should fix your audio (maybe) and see if video frame rate remains good?

<code>
/etc/init.d/10alsa stop
/etc/init.d/10alsa start
retrovol -hide &
</code>

I used that for another purpose to do with flash video problems, but the result was alsa worked correctly and I had no flash video conflict. Worth a try. If it works it will only work until the next reboot, so best to then try and track down the conflicting sound module for a permanent fix. But first things first...

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Kogije

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Mar 2013, 18:20    Post subject: Okay  

<code>
/etc/init.d/alsa stop
/etc/init.d/alsa start
retrovol -hide &
</code>

had to modify it, 10alsa doesn't work
first line gets no soundcard found
retrovol Failed

Video Playback stays the same

I did not run Alsaconf yet so do not have an Audio Driver installed.

As soon as I run it and have it configure my sb16 I have slow Video Playback from that point on unless I do a fresh Install.
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PostPosted: Sun 24 Mar 2013, 19:58    Post subject:  

Quote:
with Lucid Puppy 5.11 on SDB1

I strongly suggest you use the latest version of Lucid Puppy.
Lucid Puppy 528.005
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=70855
A lot of bug fixes from version 5.11

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Kogije

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Mar 2013, 22:03    Post subject: Lucid Puppy 5.28  

Lucid Puppy 528 goes into Kernel Panic from the Live CD
The MD5 checks and The CD has been verified
However,
versions of Lucid Puppy after 5.11 don't boot because of the AMD K6-2 CPU missing pae and cmov
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Kogije

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Mar 2013, 22:17    Post subject: Video Driver  

I installed the nvidia driver that works with my card

I now get a Warning at Startup that says:

Deprecated config file etc/modprobe.conf all config files belong into etc/modprobe.d/

This may be part of the problem since alsaconf modifies etc/modprobe.conf

Okay, I went ahead and ran alsaconf because apparently there is no getting around it.

alsaconf REQUIRES there to be a etc/modprobe.conf

After installing the Audio Driver I deleted the etc/modprobe.conf
and made a alsa.conf file in etc/modprobe.d/
I added these lines to it:

alias snd-card-0 snd-sb16
alias sound-slot-0 snd-sb16
options snd-sb16 isapnp=0

on reboot the Audio works, I don't get the Deprecated config file Warning and my Volume Control Icon shows where it should be

Those 3 issues are now solved, however
Video Playback has dropped to 1 frame per minute.
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Kogije

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Mar 2013, 16:17    Post subject: Ran the code with Driver installed  

Sorry, with the Audio Driver installed the Video playback will never be good unless I can find the problem.
I ran this code anyway

<code>
/etc/init.d/alsa stop
/etc/init.d/alsa start
retrovol -hide &
</code>

The first line complains about everything being in use
retrovol -hide & brings up the Volume Control Pannel

nothing seems out of place in how the audio is working.
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Kogije

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Mar 2013, 15:53    Post subject: Changed a line  

My new etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf
now reads:
alias snd-card-0 snd-sb16
alias sound-slot-0 snd-sb16
options snd-sb16 isapnp=0 port=0x220 irq=5 dma8=1 dma16=5 mpu_port=0x330

I'm not sure on that last line

maybe it should read:
options snd-sb16 isapnp=0 io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x330

I still have the same problem with the Video Playback
I cannot find a Hardware Conflict!
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PostPosted: Wed 27 Mar 2013, 02:26    Post subject: Re: Ran the code with Driver installed  

Kogije wrote:
Sorry, with the Audio Driver installed the Video playback will never be good unless I can find the problem.
I ran this code anyway

<code>
/etc/init.d/alsa stop
/etc/init.d/alsa start
retrovol -hide &
</code>

The first line complains about everything being in use
retrovol -hide & brings up the Volume Control Pannel

nothing seems out of place in how the audio is working.


Sorry it didn't work. The 10alsa script I was familiar with, from a different version of Puppy, should have stopped alsa, allowing you to restart it. I don't know if the alsa script you have does that - from what you describe it doesn't seem to anyway. Stopping and starting alsa fixed my problem (even on a system I couldn't find the hardware conflict on) but the issue you are dealing with may be different anyway. Still worth trying to somehow stop and start alsa though - must be some way of doing it.

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