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Billtoo


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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jul 2013, 21:57    Post subject:
Subject description: Precise 5.6.11 beta2
 

Continued from previous message:
I moved my usb card reader + SDHC card to a Gateway desktop pc.

video-info-glx 1.5.3 Fri 26 Jul 2013 on Precise Puppy 5.6.11 Linux 3.2.48 i686
0.0 VGA compatible controller:NVIDIACorporationGF114[GeForceGTX560Ti](rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: GF110 Board - 12630002 Chip Rev
X Server: Xorg Driver: nvidia
X.Org version: 1.11.3
dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (513x292 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GTX 560 Ti/PCIe/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 4.3.0 NVIDIA 319.32
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz
Core 0: @1600 1: @1600 2: @1600 3: @1600 4: @1600 5: @1600 6: @1600
7: @1600 MHz
Ralink corp. RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe
I had to run the alsa wizard to set up sound but everything else works fine.

This Precise 5.6.11 beta2 is working well on my hardware, older and newer.
Thankyou Barry.
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James C


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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 01:34    Post subject:  

Fresh manual frugal install on the old Athlon XP box.....looking good.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Precise Puppy, version 5.6.11

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1440x900
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): nouveau
Loaded modules: dbe dri dri2 exa extmod fb glx kbd mouse record shadowfb

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
1898 frames in 5.0 seconds = 379.546 FPS
2025 frames in 5.0 seconds = 404.963 FPS
2089 frames in 5.0 seconds = 417.754 FPS
1929 frames in 5.0 seconds = 385.702 FPS
1975 frames in 5.0 seconds = 394.669 FPS
2039 frames in 5.0 seconds = 407.672 FPS
1615 frames in 5.0 seconds = 322.785 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Memory : 1034MB (298MB used)
Machine Type : Physical machine
Operating System : Precise Puppy - 5.6.11
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sat 27 Jul 2013 12:42:39 AM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Mesa DRI nv18 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter : VIA8233 - VIA 8235
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 01:42    Post subject:  

Another fresh manual frugal install ....this on the old P3 test box.Needed to use SNS for internet connection but otherwise all good. Naturally operating a bit slower than the other install but certainly usable.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Precise Puppy, version 5.6.11

Chip description:
Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (GMCH) Graphics Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768
Depth (bits, or planes): 24
Modules requested to be loaded: dbe

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
Driver loaded (and currently in use): intel
Loaded modules: dbe ddc dri dri2 extmod fb glx int10 kbd mouse ramdac record vbe vgahw xaa

Actual rendering on monitor:
Resolution: 1024x768 pixels (321x241 millimeters)
Depth: 24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
# glxgears
32 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6.378 FPS
35 frames in 5.1 seconds = 6.843 FPS
38 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7.568 FPS
40 frames in 5.1 seconds = 7.902 FPS
31 frames in 5.1 seconds = 6.042 FPS

-Computer-
Processor : Pentium III (Coppermine)
Memory : 253MB (139MB used)
Machine Type : Physical machine
Operating System : Precise Puppy - 5.6.11
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sat 27 Jul 2013 12:49:20 AM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Gallium 0.4 on softpipe
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter : ICH - Intel 82801AA-ICH

Code:
# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:        253432       241316        12116            0        19932
-/+ buffers:             221384        32048
Swap:      1020092         1468      1018624
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 02:46    Post subject:  

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anikin

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 06:35    Post subject:  

simargl,
you remind me of a person who comes over to his friend, has a nice dinner and says: your mother doesn't wear a nice dress, she doesn't have botox and breast transplant - she's ugly. By your own admission, you have only used puppy once or twice. You also said, that you don't understand puppy. It was mavrothal, who built the save feature among other things for you. So why puppy should bother you at all? Not being a puppy user, not having a successful project of your own with satisfied followers and users, being a newcomer and an outsider - what you're saying has absolutely no weight. And there's nothing new in your words, that this forum already doesn't know. If I were you, I'd be more concerned about doing some damage control. Instead of contaminating the forum, I'd lie low and think hard about getting back your good standing and reputation and user's trust.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 07:27    Post subject:  

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Terryphi


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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 08:58    Post subject:  

simargl:

No wonder you are reduced to trolling on this forum. It must get lonely on your own Forum with its lack of visitors. Laughing

Clearly you are not interested in Puppy Linux in general, and Precise Puppy in particular, so you have no useful contribution to make in this thread.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 10:59    Post subject:  

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ASRI éducation


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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 11:09    Post subject:  

simargl wrote:
Puppy Linux has huge benefit compared to others with being fully portable but it needs better look (XFCE), better package manager (Synaptic) to become competitive with Slax, Porteus, Slitaz.

That's right, the visual could be greatly improved.
Regarding the package manager, a utility such as "synaptic", friendly and light, but also suitable for comptibles packets with Puppy, it would be a big step (but it should not be easy to create).
Cordialement,
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broomdodger


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Location: Santa Cruz, CA

PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 12:03    Post subject:  

simargl wrote:
Latest version sizes:

devx_precise_5.6.11.sfs 182.3M

precise-5.6.11.iso 200.4M

Total download 382.7M

Original Ubuntu iso fits to a single CD, with using Puppy based on Ubuntu you get:
- reduced download for 320MB
- uglified desktop
- extremely slow Package manager, sometimes it simply doesn't work
- you can't use icon themes from gnome-look.org
- 500 of useless additions in JWM menu
- look that is not consistent, different sized icons

For people that use computer with 512MB of RAM or more, and want Ubuntu based system, much better option is Lubuntu, leaving Puppy for those that can't use anything else. It doesn't have to be like that, but unfortunately it is, at least for now. Barry's decision to abandon T2 build, and promised PET package improvements is really bad choice, not to mention including two browsers in something that used to be small Linux distro.
@simargl
I applaud you previous contributions to Puppy Linux and hope you will consider this an opportunity to submit a consistent icon set, or some other improvement.

This is 5.7beta2 and Barry usually changes the desktop and icons for the final.

When comparing download size to Ubuntu, do not forget that to compile ANYTHING on Ubuntu you need to download build-essential, sqlite3, and several other packages. If you do not compile your own apps, the devx is NOT needed. So subtract *182.3M* from your total.

We are really comparing Puppy at 200MB and Ubuntu at 800MB.

Ubuntu is PAE only, so it will not run on many laptops that are otherwise quite fast, and have plenty RAM and drive space.

Also Puppy can be installed and running in less than 10 minutes (if you are slow) whereas *IF* Ubuntu or Lubuntu will install, it has failed on many boxes, it will take 30-60 minutes.

Comparing one great person vs a committee of ???.

Agreed... I do not particularly like JWN and would prefer LXDE or XFCE or ???.

I find Ubuntu's Unity desktop to be annoying at best.

I have been using Lubuntu (LXDE) and like it for servers I build. That is... until I learn how to do the same with Puppy Linux.

I am pleased to test (5.7beta2) Opera and Seamonkey side-by-side, without needing to manually install it.

On MacOS I have been using Opera Next and hope to see it for Puppy someday. QtWeb in 5.7beta1 was also amazing, real potential, but now that Opera is being built on webkit... that is the one to watch for.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 12:33    Post subject:  

simargl wrote:
And anikin, what do you consider as successful Puppy projects, and why?

A successful project has followers and users. Users, who look up to the project leader.
As a user, I don't have to make a choice between simargl and some other devs, whom simargl has publicly insulted. I don't need to have a guilty feeling: "If I post in his thread, what will the insulted guys think of me? I've been using their work and help, so am I staying with them?" I see no other explanation for the fact, that users stopped posting in your thread. There has never been this kind of divisiveness on this forum before. That is why I mentioned damage control, talk about technical details and subtleties is totally irrelevant to the situation.

edit: corrected grammar

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 20:16    Post subject: PAE comment  

This post has been moved in its complete entirety. It is moved as this thread is in the bug fix area and intends to report findings of Precise 5.6.9

PAE should not have been posted here. But should have been posted on a different thread.

See this thread for any continued discussion on the PAE distro component....here.

And specifically, the original post is at that thread in this location

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 20:51    Post subject: Re: PAE comment  

gcmartin wrote:

This current Precise version by Barry WORKS on the only Netbook I have....very well. And, Precise also works, as well. on the 8 other PC configurations I've tested to provide feedback on its behavior.


After your little discourse on the virtues of pae I almost hate to mention this but....... you do realize that the latest version of Precise, as well as other recent versions, features a non-pae kernel.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 21:21    Post subject: Re: PAE comment  

gcmartin wrote:

In fact, some have tried to infer a comment made by Tovalds when he indicated, years ago, that Linux has done all that is necessary for 32bit development and nothing more is necessary or would be done in the memory model of which PAE addresses.


I guess you're talking about me. Since you brought it up......

Linus Torvalds wrote:

http://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=76912&curpostid=76973

Quote:
PAE really really sucks.

The biggest single reason to go 64-bit is exactly because of physical address space. Your virtual address space
needs to bea multiple of the physical one: when you hit 1GB of RAM, 32-bit virtual memory is no longer acceptable. You literally do need more virtual memory than physical.

PAE turned that very simple fact on its head, and screwed things up royally. Whoever came up with the idea was totally incompetent, and had forgotten all the DOS HIGHMEM pains. There’s a damn good reason why we left the 286 behind, and started using 386′s, instead of having HIGHMEM crap with windows into a bigger physical space.

Repeat after me:

Virtual space needs to be bigger than physical space. Not “as big”. Not “smaller”. It needs to be bigger, by a factor of at least two, and that’s quite frankly pushing it, and you’re much better off having a factor of ten or more.
Anybody who doesn’t get that is a moron. End of discussion.


gcmartin wrote:

In fact, as he had stated many times before that specific comment, PAE "works" ... why change? I agree with his point of view.


Been trying for almost 2 years to have you back up this assertion....... I provided a link and a quote to support my position.

gcmartin wrote:

Yet, this PAE topic continues to this day with members tossing it around with negative overtones and info contrary to facts.


I for one am open to consider any contrary documented facts you can provide..... not mere opinions.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2013, 22:17    Post subject: Re: PAE comment  

James C wrote:


Been trying for almost 2 years to have you back up this assertion....... I provided a link and a quote to support my position.

gcmartin wrote:

Yet, this PAE topic continues to this day with members tossing it around with negative overtones and info contrary to facts.


I for one am open to consider any contrary documented facts you can provide..... not mere opinions.


Linus Torvalds hasn't changed his opinion of pae in this recent article (which is all geek to me of course Smile)

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linux-Kernel-3-9-RC7-Is-Available-for-Download-Fixes-Critical-and-Rare-32-bit-PAE-Bug-345300.shtml
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