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simargl

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Aug 2013, 05:15    Post subject:  

glibc 2.18 is now moved to the core repository, but packages depending directly on glibc,
are not recompiled, one example alsa-lib (See date of last update)
https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/alsa-lib/

Reason, GNU C library is backward-compatible, but not forward-compatible.

API changes/compatibility report for the glibc library
http://upstream-tracker.org/versions/glibc.html

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11107263/how-compatible-are-different-versions-of-glibc

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Aug 2013, 16:18    Post subject:  

I just discovered that Arch Rollback Machine site was removed yesterday, and that means
package manager in this system is no more functional on the way it was originally intended

Here is post from Arch Linux Forum,
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1313328#p1313328

For now we can only wait and see what will happen, will there be another site with this kind of
service providing fixed date Arch packages, if not this project will need to be closed. I want to
make system based on fixed date, stable, not-rolling Arch packages, if that's not possible
I will not bother with something not good enough.

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Aug 2013, 19:57    Post subject:  

simargl wrote:
I just discovered that Arch Rollback Machine site was removed yesterday, and that means
package manager in this system is no more functional on the way it was originally intended

Here is post from Arch Linux Forum,
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1313328#p1313328

For now we can only wait and see what will happen, will there be another site with this kind of
service providing fixed date Arch packages, if not this project will need to be closed. I want to
make system based on fixed date, stable, not-rolling Arch packages, if that's not possible
I will not bother with something not good enough.


How much space/bandwidth would you need to host a local copy that your satisfied with? I realize it'd grow over time, but what do you think it'd take to start?
Depending on the amount... I may be able to help out.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Aug 2013, 02:17    Post subject:  

I don't know about size, but on Wiki they mention 20GB for packages as of July 2010,
divide that by 2 because we don't use 64-bit packages, than add couple of GB for packages
size increase over time..

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:NewMirrors#Mirror_size

My first thought was to ask permission on sourceforge to upload whole Arch repository there,
then I realized even if then approved it, my upload speed is not enough for that repository size.
Second idea is to re-base this on Frugalware or even Slitaz, but Frugalware adds useless
dependencies, they distribute system as DVD and don't care about iso size. Slitaz is nice and
small, but doesn't have KDE and Gnome applications.

Q5sys thank you for your offer, better we'll wait some more time, some of Arch users may be
interested in continuing ARM project.
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How To fix pacman's mirror list after http://arm.konnichi.com was removed

1. go to https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/any/pacman-mirrorlist/
2. download package
3. click to extract
4. open file mirrorlist
5. uncomment mirror that is close to your location
6. overwrite /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist with this file
7. type pacman -Sy

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Aug 2013, 06:06    Post subject:  

simargl wrote:

Second idea is to re-base this on Frugalware or even Slitaz


Dont like the sound of that, I like the archbase.

But lets see wots coming, no haste right?

Your mirror solution will turn this into roll release?
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PostPosted: Mon 19 Aug 2013, 06:34    Post subject:  

Yes, that will sync repository to official Arch Mirror and temporary will turn this system to rolling release model

With frugal installation and recent glibc upgrade, I can't recommend this solutions as stable for some longer period of time

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Aug 2013, 12:48    Post subject: On a brighter note...  

I'd been battling wireless connections with 8.0 and 9.0. I could connect easily but dhcpcd failed to obtain a lease or DNS servers. Router was an older actiontec ipv4 unit and failed to respond to disovery packets no matter what I did with ipv6/ipv4 both in the kernel and in dhcpcd.conf. Other pups were ok with it. Replaced the router with an upvel 344AN4G+ ipv6 adsl2 wireless (very inexpensive but seems solid and very flexible so far).
Problems gone. Perfect frisbee connections. So it was an ipv4/ipv6 compatibility issue and I can now use/work on 9.0. Hope the Arch issue is resolved as the Openbox/Spacefm/Arch combo works very well for me.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Aug 2013, 13:43    Post subject:  

A weird problem arose?

Firefox dont want to connect, says no internet connection?
Didn' t tinker with it or nothing.


Internet connection works well with torbrowser though.

What could this be?

*edit*

Tried pacman mirror thingy
No swedish hosts could be resolved, that cant be right

Dumping savefile and trying again

**edit**
And of course that works

Luckily I have my automated install script that sets up Alphaos to my requirements
Found a few shortcomings in it though
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PostPosted: Mon 19 Aug 2013, 19:42    Post subject:  

simargl wrote:
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I just discovered that Arch Rollback Machine site was removed ...For now we can only wait and see what will happen, will there be another site with this kind of service providing fixed date Arch packages, if not this project will need to be closed.
Man, this is bad news Shocked I wish a lasting workaround will be found soon.
Cheers.

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Aug 2013, 13:20    Post subject:  

simargl wrote:

With frugal installation and recent glibc upgrade, I can't recommend this solutions as stable for some longer period of time


simargl8 you know I'm a windows convert, can you explain the above to me?
Why will it not be stable?



secondly:

Why would a rolling release model be such a bad idea for you?
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Aug 2013, 15:57    Post subject:  

I first tried Linux (Slax) in 2010, while searching for portable Windows in Google it listed Slax site among results, so I'm also not long time Linux user. But still I'll try to explain how I see it this glibc version problem. Why it's not possible or wise to have rolling-release in frugal installation? In arch /lib directory is removed completely, they don't need separate /lib and /usr/lib with systemd, but in Puppy they need to be separated because during boot /bin folder is mounted first and all the binaries from there must have required libraries in /lib, not /usr/lib because that one is not mounted in early boot stage. So libc-2.17.so and other main libraries required in this stage are moved to /lib with my build script, and now for pacman is impossible to upgrade glibc, because it will install newer glibc-2.18 to /usr/lib, but you will still have 2.17 in /lib, and since /lib folder has higher priority than /usr/lib libc-2.17 will again be loaded. And then you'll have problem if program is compiled with glibc-2.18, it may refuse to work because glibc is not forward compatible.
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Aug 2013, 07:04    Post subject:  

I'm not the sharpest programmer tool in the shed but to me it seems fixable?
Can you not mount /usr/ib instead of lib in early bootstage?

Can you not upgrade to glibc 2.18?
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Aug 2013, 08:50    Post subject:  

I think it's ugly to have one version of a library in sfs module, and newer version in savefile,
so I don't think there is anything to fix, it works fine, but only needs fixed date packages.

To change base distribution for Slitaz is not possible at the moment, because their stable release is
too old now //kernel-2.6.37, don't have gtk3 in the repos etc.//http://pkgs.slitaz.org/search.sh?receipt=linux&version=stable

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Aug 2013, 11:03    Post subject:  

simargl wrote:
I think it's ugly to have one version of a library in sfs module, and newer version in savefile,
so I don't think there is anything to fix, it works fine, but only needs fixed date packages.


So change lib in sfs to newer?

Or is it more a question of personal taste then?

Are you serious about changing base-distro,
if so can you teach me how to build ArchPuppy with arch?
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Aug 2013, 16:53    Post subject:  

I made tutorial "Build an alphaOS system from scratch", but it's now good for nothing after A.R.M is closed... And I will not change base to Slitaz, Frugalware, or rolling Arch version, in case that there is no new A.R.M service in the future, I would probably download Archbang iso, install and use that one instead.
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