The world has changed

[koulaxizis]

Ubuntu is also good at F'n things up by changing things all the time. That's were a distro like Debian or Slackware are a better choice. If you don't want to reinvent the whee every 6 months, use a distro that provides LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGG Time support and is know for Stability.
Debian and Slackware have just as many applications as Ubuntu if not more

I don't like Ubuntu and i don't like Precise Puppy. Not because of its looks or selection of programs or whatever. It's just too messy, too unpredictable and too untrustworthy for a "stable" release. If i had to choose a base for Puppy, i'd go with Slackware (Puppy Slacko has proved its stability) or Debian which i find a great distro.

[koulaxizis]

Seems like the thread is on fire and there are too many different views!! However Barry hasn't express his opinion yet.

I suppose that Puppy isn't gonna change at all and if someone wants something different than the "standard Puppy", will have to create it or seek for a suitable Puplet.

It was a good effort though! Volhout's thread became an opportunity to know where everyone stands.

There are so many useful apps made by users, so much effort by the developers, so great ideas and Puppy love by the whole community. I feel good and i'm grateful for being part of this.

I have read all answers many times and very carefully. Some were more "intense" than others. But the only sure thing is that everyone wants the best for Puppy and all of us recognize Barry's precious contribution to Linux.

I suppose that only Barry could give a definite answer to all the questions that came out of this discussion. But probably this isn't gonna happen. So we should all keep doing what we have been doing all this time: Try to give something back to the community and this wonderful distro.

And maybe time reveal the best route for Puppy...

[Q5sys]

Seems like the thread is on fire and there are too many different views!! However Barry hasn't express his opinion yet.

I suppose that Puppy isn't gonna change at all and if someone wants something different than the "standard Puppy", will have to create it or seek for a suitable Puplet.

I suppose that only Barry could give a definite answer to all the questions that came out of this discussion. But probably this isn't gonna happen. So we should all keep doing what we have been doing all this time: Try to give something back to the community and this wonderful distro.

Barry has, to my knowledge, never gotten involved in these discussions. He let's the community do what it wants and let's us do our on thing. He determines where official puppy goes. So if you (or anyone else) wants to do whatever... you're more than welcome to do so. As for official releases... that's his choice.
There I a great quote from him that I don't have on hand at this moment, but ill post it later when I find it.

[Q5sys]

koulaxizis


For a little history on the last time this came up, read this thread: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=82060

There have been at least 3 or 4 more threads like this so far this year, but they usually end up getting deleted after someone throws a hissy fit.

Here's a post from Barry about his leadership style.
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02672

[koulaxizis]

koulaxizis


For a little history on the last time this came up, read this thread: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=82060

There have been at least 3 or 4 more threads like this so far this year, but they usually end up getting deleted after someone throws a hissy fit.

Why isn't http://sourceforge.net/projects/puppylinux/ used? We could host tones of well-tested packages for every "official" Puppy version...

Why don't we have a Puppy github account for all that wandering code?

Why can't we gather AAALL these packages, codes, scripts, translations, ideas into "official" and permanent places for easy download and usage by everyone?

Ok, anyone can create anything, that's one of Puppy's advantages and freedoms! But among with all these Independent repositories, there should also be "official" places to categorize and store all of them. And when i say all, i mean ALL, everything!!

Why should someone "google" for a package or search the whole forum? Wouldn't be easier if all working stuff were archived?

[Q5sys]

koulaxizis


For a little history on the last time this came up, read this thread: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=82060

There have been at least 3 or 4 more threads like this so far this year, but they usually end up getting deleted after someone throws a hissy fit.

Why isn't http://sourceforge.net/projects/puppylinux/ used? We could host tones of well-tested packages for every "official" Puppy version...

Why don't we have a Puppy github account for all that wandering code?

Why can't we gather AAALL these packages, codes, scripts, translations, ideas into "official" and permanent places for easy download and usage by everyone?

Ok, anyone can create anything, that's one of Puppy's advantages and freedoms! But among with all these Independent repositories, there should also be "official" places to categorize and store all of them. And when i say all, i mean ALL, everything!!

Why should someone "google" for a package or search the whole forum? Wouldn't be easier if all working stuff were archived?

Well its a complex problem. One that the community has not resolved. Offical packages are of course hosted on the ibiblio site. Its the numerous unofficial pakages that are the problem.

I wanted to create a site to do this, but I couldn't get web developement help from the community to assist in this. You can check the thread I made here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=68001
I still want to do this, but I need help getting it set up. I'm willing to cover the cost; but I can't code it on my own.

[koulaxizis]

koulaxizis


For a little history on the last time this came up, read this thread: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=82060

There have been at least 3 or 4 more threads like this so far this year, but they usually end up getting deleted after someone throws a hissy fit.

Why isn't http://sourceforge.net/projects/puppylinux/ used? We could host tones of well-tested packages for every "official" Puppy version...

Why don't we have a Puppy github account for all that wandering code?

Why can't we gather AAALL these packages, codes, scripts, translations, ideas into "official" and permanent places for easy download and usage by everyone?

Ok, anyone can create anything, that's one of Puppy's advantages and freedoms! But among with all these Independent repositories, there should also be "official" places to categorize and store all of them. And when i say all, i mean ALL, everything!!

Why should someone "google" for a package or search the whole forum? Wouldn't be easier if all working stuff were archived?

Well its a complex problem. One that the community has not resolved. Offical packages are of course hosted on the ibiblio site. Its the numerous unofficial pakages that are the problem.

I wanted to create a site to do this, but I couldn't get web developement help from the community to assist in this. You can check the thread I made here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=68001
I still want to do this, but I need help getting it set up. I'm willing to cover the cost; but I can't code it on my own.

Who's running http://sourceforge.net/projects/puppylinux/?

There is no reason for server and web design, sourceforge is may be the best solution for such amount of packages.

But if you want to design a custom website and host the packages on your own server (or elsewhere), i can help a little. I'm not a web designer but i can create a simple and practical interface (see koulaxizis.com), probably anyone can do something like that!

[Q5sys]

Well its a complex problem. One that the community has not resolved. Offical packages are of course hosted on the ibiblio site. Its the numerous unofficial pakages that are the problem.

I wanted to create a site to do this, but I couldn't get web developement help from the community to assist in this. You can check the thread I made here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=68001
I still want to do this, but I need help getting it set up. I'm willing to cover the cost; but I can't code it on my own.

Who's running http://sourceforge.net/projects/puppylinux/?

There is no reason for server and web design, sourceforge is may be the best solution for such amount of packages.

But if you want to design a custom website and host the packages on your own server (or elsewhere), i can help a little. I'm not a web designer but i can create a simple and practical interface (see koulaxizis.com), probably anyone can do something like that!

The problem with sourceforge (i think) is that it puts the responsibility on one person to be in charge. Can multiple people run one account?
Whatever site is used needs the ability for multiple people to have accounts so they can upload their packages, and allow for community comments on those packages. No person should be able to alter anothers files except admin. That way there is a level of accountability and security for each dev; since (for example) you would know I couldn't mess with your stuff and tarnish your work.

An excellent example of this is how the old bebits site ran. It even allowed for different versions of the same package for different versions of the beos. To see what I'm taking about go peek around at http://bebits.com
It perfectly fits the bill of what we need. But... A) I don't know how to set somethin like that up on my own and B) I don't know if everyone would use it.

[koulaxizis]

Well its a complex problem. One that the community has not resolved. Offical packages are of course hosted on the ibiblio site. Its the numerous unofficial pakages that are the problem.

I wanted to create a site to do this, but I couldn't get web developement help from the community to assist in this. You can check the thread I made here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=68001
I still want to do this, but I need help getting it set up. I'm willing to cover the cost; but I can't code it on my own.

Who's running http://sourceforge.net/projects/puppylinux/?

There is no reason for server and web design, sourceforge is may be the best solution for such amount of packages.

But if you want to design a custom website and host the packages on your own server (or elsewhere), i can help a little. I'm not a web designer but i can create a simple and practical interface (see koulaxizis.com), probably anyone can do something like that!

The problem with sourceforge (i think) is that it puts the responsibility on one person to be in charge. Can multiple people run one account?
Whatever site is used needs the ability for multiple people to have accounts so they can upload their packages, and allow for community comments on those packages. No person should be able to alter anothers files except admin. That way there is a level of accountability and security for each dev; since (for example) you would know I couldn't mess with your stuff and tarnish your work.

An excellent example of this is how the old bebits site ran. It even allowed for different versions of the same package for different versions of the beos. To see what I'm taking about go peek around at http://bebits.com
It perfectly fits the bill of what we need. But... A) I don't know how to set somethin like that up on my own and B) I don't know if everyone would use it.

You can add as many users as you want and set their permissions...

[Q5sys]

You can add as many users as you want and set their permissions...

Can dfferent users with write permissions edit each others stuff?
Can each user have read/write control over their stuff while not allowing them to have read/write over anyone elses? Can anyone leave comments on a single file upload?

[koulaxizis]

You can add as many users as you want and set their permissions...

Can dfferent users with write permissions edit each others stuff?
Can each user have read/write control over their stuff while not allowing them to have read/write over anyone elses? Can anyone leave comments on a single file upload?

Not sure, but i can find out! However, i believe that it would be better if the packages were tested first by many people in various systems and then an admin (or one of the admins) could upload them. It's more safe...

[Q5sys]

You can add as many users as you want and set their permissions...

Can dfferent users with write permissions edit each others stuff?
Can each user have read/write control over their stuff while not allowing them to have read/write over anyone elses? Can anyone leave comments on a single file upload?

Not sure, but i can find out! However, i believe that it would be better if the packages were tested first by many people in various systems and then an admin (or one of the admins) could upload them. It's more safe...

Yea I'd be interested to know. All packages should obviously be screened. This is why comments per file would be useful. Also it allows others to report if the package works on other versions that the dev might not have tested it for. But having only admin upload will mean whoever that poor soul is... is going to have to have a ton of work to do. The point of the BeBits site, was that any dev could upload to lighten the load on the admin. They could focus on handling the site/server, without having to run every aspect of the site.