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richard.a
 Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 510 Location: Adelaide, South Australia |
Hi, I think there is a good description here at a special page that was made for those interested in an XP look Puppy 
Go down to the third lot of screenshots... Enjoy 
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richard.a
Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 510 Location: Adelaide, South Australia |
Hi gliesl, I've noticed there seems to be occasional (not always) difficulties on not just yours, but all of the three "office" type distros I've tried, if you try to remove the CD so that a music CD or a DVD can be played. I wonder if this is fixable in a config file somewhere? It doesn't seem to be there on standard puppies. Looking more closely at this beautiful looking distro, perhaps your pointer focus could do with being changed as default? This is because it follows the Unix standard whereas I think the people wanting to migrate to it from Windows could be confused with that method. I remember in the Windows95 "Power Tools" add-on from the development team, there was the Unix style focus offered, but I've never seen a Windows user use it. I know some (myself included) tried it, but preferred the click to focus (and stay focussed) method. Another thought. Normally a live puppy will present a list of keyboard choices before you have created a save file. Perhaps you might consider doing a recompile for the benefit of those who don't use the US keyboard? ... doesn't worry me personally, but European keyboards might present a difficulty when booting it for the first time, live. I do like it
Richard in Australia _________________ Have you noticed editing is always needed for the inevitable typos that weren't there when you hit the "post" button? |
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Pizzasgood
 Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 6270 Location: Knoxville, TN, USA |
Maybe you don't have enough ram to load pup_xxx.sfs into ram, so it mounts it from the cd. Try copying that file to the same location as your save-file and then rebooting. It will boot much faster, and then mount it from the harddrive instead of the cd. Then you should be able to remove the disk. If not, something else is the problem. _________________ Between depriving a man of one hour from his life and depriving him of his life there exists only a difference of degree. --Muad'Dib  |
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marksouth2000
Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 620 |
That's a slippery slope there. If people migrate from Windows they are going to have to learn some new skills. Learning never hurt anyone. Actually, it's a good thing. Way better than taking a work of genius like Puppy and dumbing it down to the level of a Microsoft product. |
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richard.a
Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 510 Location: Adelaide, South Australia |
Perhaps. I would have thought that 512Mb would be enough. I'll look again. The machine was quite old, maybe a more modern one would do better. Checking the iso sizes for comparison, one can note that gliesl's was 78Mb, not much more than the 73 megs of the 2.02 seamonkey; whereas the other two were 232Mb and 184Mb, so perhaps it's the case there.
I don't see it as dumbing down, because it has been the PuppyLinux default on the small number of Puppy distros I have tried. I would have have thought that the two modus operandi being so totally different, the standard default would have been used. This way the person can make the conscious choice to go the other route themselves - when and if they are ready to do so. Isn't there enough difference to be negotiated already (by someone never exposed to other systems) - without adding another one unnecessarily? Do we really want to encourage them to try Linux? Or do we want to keep it a club for geeks? Could this be a major reason why many other migratory choices have failed? Perhaps we can note the big corporate installations of Linux all make it as basic as they can. Talking Sun and SuSE specifically. And, I'm not being negative. I've listened to Windows users and their comments. Here is a comparison... One of the main reasons railway locomotive controls and aircraft controls are basically similar in their own environments is to make it simpler for the operators to "convert" from one version/brand/type/whatever to another with only the essential differences having to be picked up before the operator can be certified as being comfortable with the new elements of their system. Same goes for back-hoe excavators, B-double tractor-trailer rigs, even family cars. Surely the wheel should never need to be reinvented. Not really much different for power users of computers in their MO, although I grant you the responsibility for lives is markedly different from that of locomotive drivers and airline pilots. Productivity is the name of their game. You waste time having to remember that the mouse pointer can't be allowed to move with building or desk vibration - or even gravity - and you will dismiss the product totally out of hand and go back to what you know works. Really. Just my thoughts. Been there, done that. I'm not a geek. I was raised from 1986 (PC-DOS) through about 1992 (Windows 3.0 and OS/2). _________________ Have you noticed editing is always needed for the inevitable typos that weren't there when you hit the "post" button? |
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jam
 Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 245 |
Probably the biggest concern I would have is that you will inadvertently hit a legal minefield at some point if you atttempt to emulate Windows XP Pro too closely using Puppy, whether it be copyright or trademark infringement, or an ambiguous area called "methods and concepts". This is the big difference if you intend to emulate Microsoft's "modus operandi" versus the locomotive or airline industry. Right now I'm sure Puppy is nowhere close to being on Microsoft's legal radar, mainly because there is no corporate entity to sue, but should you step on those mines in the future as Puppy grows in popularity, expect a "cease and desist" letter in your inbox. I've personally trained elementary school kids on the use of a distinctive version of Puppy not at all like XP Pro and they make the transition with relative ease and a short learning curve. The key is to have all the apps contained in the distro working properly and intuitively, and hide the technical complexity of Linux. You can achieve desktop simplicity in Linux without having to emulate MS - just ask Apple about that. I also have corporate users that I've trained on Linux in a matter of hours and they don't seem concerned at all if things don't follow MS standards - it also help that I mention the fact that it's dramatically improving our bottom line!
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marksouth2000
Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 620 |
One can work to make the products dumber or the people smarter. The thing I like about Linux is that it can make people smarter, by opening their minds a little. One can do what one likes with Puppy, but making some people smarter is a good thing that makes the world a better place. Mark 
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gliezl
 Joined: 06 Aug 2005 Posts: 322 Location: Manila |
I don't have any idea. Glad you reported it.
It has something to do with the PKEYS=us that I have put on the isolinux.cfg, next time I'll remove that.
Thanks. My original plan was only to release a beta version for others to test & to my surprise, there are members who are interested. Hopefully if I'm free I'll try it with Puppy 2.11 when released. Thanks to your support guys. By the way, I like Rhino's Puppy Pro too! It's very cool.
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Nathan F
 Joined: 08 Jun 2005 Posts: 1641 Location: Wadsworth, OH (occasionally home) |
Hmm, looks interesting. Not my cup of tea, but probably worth the effort for some. I'd like to suggest you look into xpde also. http://www.xpde.com/index.php Xpde is pretty darn close to XP already, and furthermore they are ready for the eventual lawsuits with a code audit already, so might be able to help out if something that sinister does happen to you. Also worth mentioning is ReactOS. http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html ReactOS is an open source project attempting to create an OS with complete binary compatibility with Windows. And they are pretty far along in acheiving this now. Also, other than the menu image it is easier to emulate the XP look using IceWM, which can do things like rounded windows and start button a lot better. In fact there are several themes that are pretty close without any tweaking. Fvwm95 looks a lot more like Windows98 to me, everything's blocky. Not that that's bad, it just isn't at all the same. Hope you take this in the spirit it was intended. I just wanted to offer a few pointers if you do intend to continue work on this, and a few neat links worth exploring. Nathan _________________ _________________________________________ Bring on the locusts ... |
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raffy
Joined: 25 May 2005 Posts: 4636 Location: Manila |
Yes, the info you provided would be very helpful for gliezl's project. Thanks, Nathan. _________________ Puppy user since Oct 2004. Want FreeOffice? Get the sfs (English only). |
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jam
Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 245 |
Nathan, Regarding ReactOS, I've tried loading this OS on several different machines in the past, even with their anniversary LiveCD and repeatedly got the equivalent of the "Blue Screen of Death" - so I guess in that respect they have gotten close to matching MS functionality. All kidding aside, they still have a long way to go - Wine gets the job done for me.
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jam
Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 245 |
*** DUPLICATE POST *** 
_________________ Jam Last edited by jam on Tue 10 Oct 2006, 23:55; edited 1 time in total |
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jam
Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 245 |
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richard.a
Joined: 15 Aug 2006 Posts: 510 Location: Adelaide, South Australia |
jam I agree with you about ReactOS. Looks pretty, lol. Actually you can probably do a lot more with Erd I suspect. WINE is defintely the current solution, although ReactOS have been talking for a while about running it as part of ReactOS, and one of the developers is a dev in both. They are at 0.3 currently, with a somewhat inadequate performance.It can be evaluated in a VMware situation too. Those two extra posts; I've noticed that the forum will do this when it has its regular hernias. Happened to me too. Richard in Adelaide, SA _________________ Have you noticed editing is always needed for the inevitable typos that weren't there when you hit the "post" button? |
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jam
Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 245 |
Richard, The duplicate posting is an on/off again problem. The first symptom for me is usually a PHP:BB Critical Error I get when attempting to access the site, then shortly after submitting the post it just hangs, and hangs, and hangs. Oh well - guess I have to put up with that... _________________ Jam |
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