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swedenfox

Joined: 07 Oct 2013
Posts: 3

PostPosted: Mon 07 Oct 2013, 12:50    Post subject: My opinion  

i really like puppy

PRO

    FAST
    RECONIZED ALL MY HARDWARE STUFF
    IT USE ROX (MY FAV FILE MANAGER)


CONS

    PACKAGE MANAGER IS REALLY UNFRIENDLY
    A BETTER WIKI COULD HELPFUL.
    A BETTER SELECTION OF THE START INSTALLED PROGRAMS (SOME OF THAT AREN'T WORKING)


BYE
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klva47

Joined: 15 Oct 2013
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Wed 16 Oct 2013, 00:26    Post subject:  Puppy - It Just Works
Subject description: Some more popular distros don't
 

Various versions of Puppy have been my favorite OS from the time a Puppy CD booted an old, basically worthless, laptop in 2005. The original OS was dead. Puppy booted-up fine, and even recognized the Netgear wireless PC card. That laptop soon became very useful in the workshop. Computers get upgraded, so my shop computer has been upgraded. I've tried other Linux distributions. Puppy is always the most useful. A computer with Puppy OS just works, no hassles.
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Jacqueline_5

Joined: 26 Oct 2013
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Sat 26 Oct 2013, 04:22    Post subject: Puppy needs YOUR help too!
Subject description: Puppy needs YOUR help too!
 

Tell me what help your puppy needs.
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dogle

Joined: 11 Oct 2007
Posts: 330

PostPosted: Wed 30 Oct 2013, 06:36    Post subject:  

Jaqueline_5, as you will see if you skip back to the first post, this thread requests help in the form of user feedback from newcomers to Puppy.

The many good people who took the trouble to post here made very clear from the beginning that newbies were having trouble with two issues in particular - one was Puppy installation, but the biggie by far was trouble in finding information.

The Puppy community has made great efforts to improve the newcomer's experience, not least in adding stickied newbie-support topics to this forum and in the painstaking building of the Puppy wiki (but, as you can see from swedenfox's valued comments above, such things are, like Puppy, ever a work-in-progress). Judging by the marked decline in comments here on those things which were previously upsetting lots of newbies, then unless the user base has changed significantly, good things are happening.

Anyhow, welcome to the Kennels! .... and any help you can give to support the wiki would be grand.
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g2k


Joined: 30 Oct 2013
Posts: 54

PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2013, 14:05    Post subject:  

Hi, I'm pretty new to the forums here and not "leaving" puppy linux but, there are a few things that I think are in line with this thread topic.

1) Puppy really needs a traditional right-click copy/paste function.
ALL users of ANY other operating system have this functionality OOTB.

2) secondary drives like SD Cards need to be able to be moved to an area of the screen and "locked" to that position (even after reboot). The HDD icons do this but the SD Card / USBflash icons do not, even if you rebuild the pinboard .config file. It isn't a deal-breaker but it IS annoying.

3) Frugal install with encrypted save folder is a very useful thing to have, maybe even more useful/secure than having a typical user account with password. However it is PAIN to set up "like a user account system". A GUI would be much appreciated here.

4) Root, root, and more root. One of the first things a newbie learns about linux is that the highest point in a file system after the partition is "/" this symbol is called root. It is the highest or topmost folder in the file system...OK, great. Every other distro of linux reinforces this axiom by expressing all derivations with this symbol in the following way: /mnt, or /mnt/my_folder/my_file, etc.

Puppy linux however doesn't do this. In puppy "/" is file system top folder, aka root. Then there is the folder /root, which is not a way of saying /=root (top folder of file system), but a way of saying this is the folder called root. But wait, doesn't / =root? So then really /root is really //root, the folder called root which is "within" the folder "/" or root folder, which does=the topmost folder in the structure. Do you see where I'm going with this...lol?

To make matters worse when a save filed is used it is mounted /mnt/home and not mounted as /home. To add even more confusion to injury, when mounted, this folder /mnt/home, is still shown by the file manager to be...you guessed it.../mnt/root or, said another way "/" root /mnt/root. Thats //mnt/root in the mind picture of the newbies...lol

I love puppy to bits, but this is just stupid. A user of linux DOES have an obligation to do some studying and some learning. However that doesn't= a license to make an already confusing file structure downright cryptic. Either make root/root read as /home in all instances of puppy or make it a "." folder like root/.root where it can reside where ever it wants to, but isn't causing confusion to the newbie.

In a perfect world I would like to see a save file (encrypted or not) create a folder called /home with sub folders called /music, /pictures, /documents. This folder /home could also contains /.root.

/.root holds all the custom configuration entries a given user has made like wallpaper choice, etc. while /home has these well known folders for my stuff that I want to keep private.

Then we could have a public folder" /public" that's a good place to store whatever I want to be available to ALL users under any save_file.

Please understand, I'm not complaining. Windows users have a hard enough time trying to use linux as is. This 1 hiccup in the file system of puppy doesn't make puppy "junk"by any means.

However, it does make puppy MORE confusing and HARDER to learn, without offering ANY performance enhancement at all to the system.
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g2k


Joined: 30 Oct 2013
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2013, 16:21    Post subject:  

dogle wrote:
It would also be very interesting to hear from our more-experienced newcomers if they feel that any other distros - for instance, Ubuntu - have offered them any advantage over Puppy in terms of newbie-friendliness.

I can speak to this point too...

Linuxlite v1.0.6 is very good for first time linux users. Everything works out of the box except "aero-snap", and theres even a fix for that. The desktop environment is xfce4.

I installed dockbarx plugin for xfce and it just works. I have a semi translucent taskbar like windows7, icons pinned to my taskbar that glow when the program is in use, just like win7. I could have window previews like win7 but opted for a list instead. I even have my focused window solid with background windows 30-40% translucent. This makes for an incredibly effective/useful desktop.[img]http://imgur.com/IBALbiM[/img]
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nic007

Joined: 13 Nov 2011
Posts: 681

PostPosted: Thu 31 Oct 2013, 22:25    Post subject:  

g2k wrote:
dogle wrote:
It would also be very interesting to hear from our more-experienced newcomers if they feel that any other distros - for instance, Ubuntu - have offered them any advantage over Puppy in terms of newbie-friendliness.

I can speak to this point too...

Linuxlite v1.0.6 is very good for first time linux users. Everything works out of the box except "aero-snap", and theres even a fix for that. The desktop environment is xfce4.

I installed dockbarx plugin for xfce and it just works. I have a semi translucent taskbar like windows7, icons pinned to my taskbar that glow when the program is in use, just like win7. I could have window previews like win7 but opted for a list instead. I even have my focused window solid with background windows 30-40% translucent. This makes for an incredibly effective/useful desktop.[img]http://imgur.com/IBALbiM[/img]


Why don't you install XFCE4 on Puppy? You have a choice.
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g2k


Joined: 30 Oct 2013
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PostPosted: Fri 01 Nov 2013, 12:41    Post subject:  

[/quote]Why don't you install XFCE4 on Puppy? You have a choice.[/quote]

I did instal xfce4 on puppy. It caused more headaches than it solved.

Also, regular puppy with jwm+calmblue jwm theme [gtk set to polished blue theme] is hard to beat both looks wise and contrast wise (spelled: over 40 eyesight w/12" screen).

I also couldn't get dockbarx plugin to work in xfce4 on puppy, and that's OK, I like the above jwm setup anyway.

All I'm trying to say is that any newbie user of linux who's concerned or desires familiarity with M$ Windows, will feel more comfortable with Linuxlite 1.0.6 than with say Joli cloud OS, or even puppy.

Linuxlite isn't for everyone and certainly isn't for every computer. It does offer a quick and easy way to have a top tier OS every bit as capable as XP, or 7. The cost being 2-3 hours of your time, but, (YMMV).
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Barleycorn

Joined: 08 Nov 2013
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Fri 08 Nov 2013, 14:33    Post subject:
Subject description: EFI-Booting on Mac
 

Puppy is great! But the explanations and how to’s for uEFI booting, specifically how to get your Mac to boot puppy from a USB stick, are certainly lacking or at least not that easy to find.

I don’t know how many hours I spent partitioning, setting boot flags, working with rEFInd, getting various bootloaders elilo, Grub, and Grub2 to recognize my Puppy files without any success. All I wanted to do was to boot my imac (imac8,1) from a USB into Puppy. Google turns up many posts on how others did it but 90% of the how-to’s address bios booting and the ones that were mac specific didn’t worked for me. I could burn the various iso files to CD and boot from that. Live CD's worked great but I wanted to boot from USB.

In the end, I came across a sentence buried deep within a web page somewhere that stated something to the effect that 32 bit Kernels do not support EFI booting . Which lead me to the realization that the puppy distro’s I was using (Precise, Slacko) were 32 bit ( I thought a downloaded a 64 bit version as my imac is 64 bit, but turns out it is a 32 bit version of Puppy for a 64 bit PC). This lead me to Fatdog64, a true 64 bit puppy (Lighthouse is another), which had a FAQ on installing to Windows 8 (EFI boot). It was so simple I thought there was no way it would work on my USB stick for a mac after everything I had already tried but I did exactly what it stated using my USB instead of the Windows hard drive. I about fell out of my chair when my imac booted from the USB and loaded Fatdog64. Very Happy

Don’t get me wrong, I am not complaining, more like a warning for other Mac users. I am sure someone with more experience could have figured this out quickly but I would certainly think someone could come up with a consistent way of booting from an EFI PC that a beginner could easily implement (maybe the answer is to just use Fatdog64 or Lighthouse64 if you need EFI-booting).

I should also point out that this is a great website for learning about EFI and bios booting -> www.rodsbooks.com. There is even a detailed procedure for EFI-booting Ubuntu on a mac but it is not really something I would recommend for a beginner.
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Schlaffi

Joined: 03 Jan 2012
Posts: 12
Location: Sweden and Germany

PostPosted: Sun 24 Nov 2013, 05:17    Post subject:  

Hi!

I am using Puppy without probs and. love it very much.

The only problem is that the informations a newbie needs are not at one central place. And the homepage is chaos, not well organized.

Then its important to advice a newbie Puppy Version with Frisbee. Without it many newbies has problems with internet connection.

Where you get which Puppy version? Why there is no central place for torrents? (or hard to find)

That all for today, folks.
Thank you, Barry, and all the community for Puppy.

Regards,
Dirk
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NickAu


Joined: 30 Dec 2013
Posts: 186
Location: Far North Coast NSW ɹǝpunuʍop

PostPosted: Mon 30 Dec 2013, 00:51    Post subject:  

Hi guys

Never used Linux much before ( once or twice) till i stumbled on a youtube video "mum uses puppy linux" so i googled it and it lead me to simplicity 14.
as it was a small download I figured hey why not try this so i did. WOW this is for real never figured linux was this GOOD All the stuff i need to browse the net on my net book none of the crap I don't need I was so inpressed I installed it on my ( don't laugh Pendo u1000 netbook) It loads fast I had no probs getting it to go online thru wifi

Keep up the great work you won me over
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serdal22

Joined: 02 Jan 2014
Posts: 7
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014, 02:13    Post subject:  

I have been using Linux OS for 13 years. I am still newbie.

I tried to install some (Many) Linux distros into my 11 months old computer these days, but I had problems with many of them, which I hadn't had those problems with their older versions. Basically installation or lack of some package problems.

Now I needed a more reliable, easy to install, fast, and USER FRIENDLY distro.

I decided to give Lupu a try. I have been very much impressed! The Calc, Writer, the colours and graphics are very beautiful and very well done.

This old problem seems like continues: "Close to impossible" hardship of HD installation. I tried three times to install the Lupu into my computer with no luck. This problem has got to be solved as soon as possible. The installation has to be automated once you click on "Install" icon and answering a few basic questions such as time, location, passwords etc . . .

I wish I knew a lot more and could have helped. This is a wonderful Linux distro, and please do not lose the newbies because of a small installation hardship.

Thank you all for your great inputs and precious helps.

Serdal
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Moose On The Loose


Joined: 24 Feb 2011
Posts: 515

PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014, 11:52    Post subject:  

serdal22 wrote:
I have been using Linux OS for 13 years. I am still newbie.

I tried to install some (Many) Linux distros into my 11 months old computer these days, but I had problems with many of them, which I hadn't had those problems with their older versions. Basically installation or lack of some package problems.

Now I needed a more reliable, easy to install, fast, and USER FRIENDLY distro.

I decided to give Lupu a try. I have been very much impressed! The Calc, Writer, the colours and graphics are very beautiful and very well done.

This old problem seems like continues: "Close to impossible" hardship of HD installation. I tried three times to install the Lupu into my computer with no luck. This problem has got to be solved as soon as possible. The installation has to be automated once you click on "Install" icon and answering a few basic questions such as time, location, passwords etc . . .

I wish I knew a lot more and could have helped. This is a wonderful Linux distro, and please do not lose the newbies because of a small installation hardship.

Thank you all for your great inputs and precious helps.

Serdal


Can you tell us step by step what you did and where the trouble happened. I have installed Puppy on many machines now as I'm sure others have. The solution may be something as simple as a bit of wording in one of the dialog boxes that has led you astray. If we can track down the problem, I am sure we can help you and the next guy too.
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Raj

Joined: 17 Dec 2013
Posts: 75

PostPosted: Sat 04 Jan 2014, 16:15    Post subject:  

Puppy indeed is a good option, but to make it a better, we may think of getting these included --
1. Changing the login ID & password -- at least an option. Now-a-days, locks are used for keeping animal out of your home, not the robbers but you know, OWN password means a feeling of reliance.
2. Uploading of all "How to" in a separate FAQ section, so that learning can be easier (I personally thank all the puppy-users for their cordial supportive attitude, but if all the stuffs are centralised & easily usable, then people will get more attractions)
3. More tweaking options -- installed applications are very good but my needs differ with you & so the defaults of applications.
4. In case of full installation, puppy should automatically mount all linux drives.

Thanks,
Raj
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Oh Carolina

Joined: 25 Jan 2014
Posts: 11
Location: England

PostPosted: Sat 25 Jan 2014, 06:52    Post subject:  Saved by Puppy Carolina
Subject description: A Thank you
 

Hi and thanks so much.
I had an old Acer PC that had no operating system since linux mint crashed.
I couldn't install any os until at last Puppy Carolina Installed and now I have a usable machine again.Ta so much.
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