Community Edition anyone interested?

[mavrothal]

The one who will setup and manage new Woof2 repository on github, should be Release Manager.

And you know that Iguleder has github account ...

Assuming we go with git, Git and Github are easy to setup and fairly flexible on who can commit what. But the same is true for mercurial and to some extend even fossil.
The release manager should certainly have commit rights but not necessarily be the one that originally opens the account.

Release manager will be the one that volunteers for the job and gets the support of the others involved.
Unfortunately Iguleder said is not interested (me neither, BTW).
Are you?

[simargl5]

Are you?

Nope, I'm just silent follower... I hope many will apply for that role and then Puppy community can have elections for their first president, I mean Release Manager

[mavrothal]

Are you?

Nope

Please edit your post to show as above.

[jamesbond]

I will work and do whatever I am capable of to assist those on this project.

Please help to organise fundraising efforts for Puppy (indiegogo, kickstarter, or whatever), say for $100,000. You have list of features, put a $ to those features. Sum that $ up, round it to perhaps $100,000. Let puppy builders choose which items they want to do. Money to be handed out when the feature is complete (as judged by competent technical third person - not by you - to prevent personal bias). No organiser fees please - you aren't allowed to take the $ from the pool yourself.

That will help a lot to advance Puppy.

Think you're up to it?

[wanderer]

I would like to ask Iguleder

if he would consider taking the lead here

as he stepped up to the plate from the beginning

and has vast expertise in this area

he has made many great isos

not to mention all the work he has done

in developing a future puppy system

Iguleder or anyone

do you have any thoughts on this ?

please post

thanks

wanderer

[Iguleder]

It's a very demanding role, which doesn't fit in my lifestyle and doesn't match my character. I'm an innovator - an R&D projects leader, not a release manager. This is who I am and I can't fight this.

I think someone like 01micko is exactly what we need. Realistic, thorough, careful and friendly.

[stu91]

I think perhaps to begin with the focus should be more along the the lines of a set of 'community tools' something that automaticly builds a consistent minimal sane base - then the community, individuals, groups or what ever can build and add to from there.

[wanderer]

community tools

does that mean a woof debian template

i am not familiar with woof but will study it

does anyone either have a satisfactory old template

or have the time and expertise to build it

i also vote for a good old community pup

a very simple basic core

that we can streamline and add to

wanderer

[gcmartin]

@JamesBond suggests that we find ways to raise money for the idea and strategies for Puppy LInux. And to use that money to disperse to those individuals who actually work on the package(s).

Maybe that is a good way to proceed. Dunno? At the very least, its a model that Canonical has made successful. Can that work here, too?

But, If he wants, I will help him do so. I'll assist anyone who has some ideas of how to advance this distro. And, new approaches to make it attractive to bring others on-board and advance Puppy Linux is just what is needed.

[wanderer]

the reason i use puppy exclusively
is that it is small simple robust and flexible
i have no need for every cutting edge thing
that ends up creating bugs and not working very well
that is what all the other distros do
and they end up as bloatware
puppy was so well designed
that i was even able to learn how it works
tear it apart
and build my own versions
even versions that had nothing to do
with the original puppy design

i intend to keep working on puppy
or its derivitives
because of this elegant design

i'm sure that there are many other people that feel the same
if we just keep working together
we will end up maintaining/creating a distro
that is very useful (and hopefully in its own way elegant)

there isn't any time limit
because this is fun and informative as well as useful

now i'm going to take a look at woof
to see if i can do anything
to make a small simple core

but you know in the old days
we would just tear a puppy iso apart
and put it back together the way we wanted
that's how Barry K started

if anyone has any advice about woof
and has the time to post it
it would be appreciated

thanks for being a great community

wanderer

[wanderer]

Hey guys

here is what i intend to do this weekend
i will download woof
and try to build an iso
from debian stable
i will try to make it as small and as simple as possible
only the core x jwm xrvt rox geanny
maybe dhcp
and the downloader for debs (i dont know how that works)

we will see how this goes
any advice or thoughts ?

wanderer

[Iguleder]

By the way - I'm working on a tiny Puppy with musl, lazy-utils, loksh, Xfbdev and cwm. I'm curently trying to port tinyxserver to x86_64 - if this port works, we can use this tiny thing as a base - it's similar to pupngo, but modern, fully automated and 64 bit.

I think we mustn't give up the alternative to Woof, full independence, in case the community release model fails.

[wanderer]

here is my plan

1. build a core of woof debian --- command line only (busybox ash)
2. build an basic x image --- x jwm rxvt
3. build an basic apps image --- rox leafpad
4. build internet access image --- dhcpd
5. build additional apps image --- firefox mplayer
6. build (whatever else we want) image

loopfile symlink these images together to form a working distro
they can be compressed SFS or uncompressed ext2 image

we shall see if this can be done with woof
and if i can do it

any thoughts ?

wanderer

[bark_bark_bark]

Why Debian?

Slackware is a much more suitable base.

[wanderer]

sounds great
but a 32 bit will run on everything
both 32 and 64
is there a 32 bit version

wanderer

[bark_bark_bark]

I think if one was to come out it should be 32bit. Some apps (even with multilib) don't work at all on 64bit. And many of us here are to poor to have 64bit hardware.

[wanderer]

i think the debian ubuntu mint crowd
has more overall support

wanderer

[Iguleder]

If the buildings procedure is automatic, the 32/64 bit question is irrelevant

[bark_bark_bark]

yes but they can't help us. Slackware is much more stable and faster than debian/ubuntu/mint. If you want a TRUELY stable distro, Slackware is the ONLY way to go.

[wanderer]

i really like the pupngo idea
of statically linking the applications in the core

and i also like the idea of putting all the dependencies
of an application
in an sfs or uncompressed image file
and loopfile symlinking it

so that each part is independent

wanderer