Puppy In-House Development

[Iguleder]

In fact, this project was inspired by BSD.

I like the BSD approach of treating all packages as one, complete product, instead of separate chunks of code from different authors.

I also like BSD's use of daemons - that's why I designed my own devd.

EDIT: built a fresh image, with the following improvements:
- Parallel kernel module loading
- Built-in support for USB HID devices
- More applications (xhippo, gtkedit, etc')
- Some package updates

EDIT 2: you can get the image here.

EDIT 3: I added a primitive Slackware-like package manager that works with lazy-utils and loksh and a simple GTK1 frontend.

EDIT 4: I replaced gzip with XZ Embedded - it's awesome!

[amigo]

"my own devd" -is that where your kernel -module-loading code wound up?

[Iguleder]

Yeah, that's my udev alternative.

[linuxcbon]

It is too slow to boot.
ifconfig and route still missing.
Usb keyboard works now, but typing root or enter or anything doesnt do anything. Cannot test further.

[Iguleder]

How much memory do you have? It starts quickly on a Pentium 2020M with 1 GB of RAM, in VirtualBox.

Regarding logging in - type "root", then ENTER.

EDIT: another image, this time with the GTK1 package manager.

[linuxcbon]

I could go to ratpoison. Now I have to learn how to use it.

[sszindian]

lguleder wrote:
EDIT: another image, this time with the GTK1 package manager.
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Downloaded, Burned a CD and...

It would have been nice to know that this release is only for x86-64 (64 bit) computers before downloading... no good for my 32 only bit testing.

Will there be a 32 bit ?

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[Iguleder]

Building everything is an automated process, so I might do a 32 bit build when the 64 bit flavor meets the 1.0 goals.

[smokey01]

It seems X doesn't support my locale in ratpoison.

How is this fixable?

BTW this was running it in VBox.

Thanks

[Iguleder]

It's not - no locale support. You don't need it, since applications use other localizations methods.

[technosaurus]

the standard libx11 duplicates the functionality of iconv (already included in musl and glibc) as a table. Just removing the largest tables (big5, gb*, ...) and configuring out some other unneeded opt can reduce the build to ~800kb @ -Os (roughly half)

btw, As far as I am concerned, this is the kind of stuff that needs to go away. If iconv functionality needs to be faster, then modify _it_ directly to be build time configureable for speed vs. size vs. whatever. A lot of the problems here relate to how Ulrich Drepper controlled the glibc project, so it may be feasible now.

[gcmartin]

Here's a question that I would like to ask here, in public space, of this current effort.

Firstly, I see and applaud this thread's direction of a distro on a modern system that is fast, stable and flexible. Most PC CPUs built since 2007 are 64bit and the PCs themselves come with lots of RAM providing lots of flexibility in this development project. Thus, the platforms for testing is done on a less restrictive platform and the system speed yields results quickly.

Since this effort is starting with a "grounds-up" approach, I would like to ask about a technical ability that is exhibited by Knoppix and wondering if the ability would/could offer benefit here. I am NOT one who clearly understands the internals of how its done, so forgive me (or not) for my lack of understanding as I pose this question.

• Like Knoppic, can, at boot-time via a parm, the user indicate whether he wants to boot the 64bit version or the 32bit version?

And, is there any value to be derived by such, here?

Dunno ...
P.S. If this question about the threads effort belongs elsewhere feel free to move.

[amigo]

Of course that can be done -it just means that there are two complete distros on the CD. Did you know that the code in the bootloader is 16-bit code?

[mavrothal]

Of course that can be done -it just means that there are two complete distros on the CD.

DVD (in Knopix case)
Puppy could certainly manage with a CD and if you move the "all"-arch packages in a 3rd sfs you might even be able to reduce the size a bit more.
However, without an auto detect method I can envision more problems than solutions with such a build.

[smokey01]

I think an online system builder like porteus would be good.
http://build.porteus.org

[laurentius77]

Hello,

I've downloaded the last image of Lazyux. My computer is an ultrabook Acer S3-391 with Intel HD 4000 and ELAN PS/2 port smart-pad. The touchpad is not working when I try to move the mouse pointer so I use an external mouse.
Works ok in prompt mode (without X window) but when I try:

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#xinit

The X is trying to start, the mouse pointer appear on the screen and I can moving it but nothing else if appears, just the gray screen and a message in the up-right corner. I pressed Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to exit x and I have this error:

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Could not init path element /usr/share/fonts/truetype/, removing from list!
ratpoison:mainc:602 errpr: Xdoesn't seem to support your locale
xinit: connection to X server lost 

Then I tried

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#startx

I receive

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 /bin/startx[185]: /usr/bin/mcookie: not found

Is there any possibility to have multiple users (like in Shahor or FatDog64) in this distro in the future? I tried useradd an adduser commands but they are not working.
Thank you!

[Iguleder]

xinit is the way to go - these errors are normal. Multi-user support and networking are still missing.

[laurentius77]

xinit is the way to go - these errors are normal. Multi-user support and networking are still missing.

I understand those errors are normal but X doesn't start, I have just a mouse pointer that I can move on a black screen and a message in the up-right corner regarding to press "C-t" key.
I have no icons or menu start or anything else. The only way to exit this screen is using Ctrl+Alt+Del or Ctrl+Alt+Backspace. When I exit this blank screen and return to terminal I can see the error

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Could not init path element /usr/share/fonts/truetype/, removing from list! 
ratpoison:main.c:602 error: Xdoesn't seem to support your locale 
xinit: connection to X server lost 

So even this error is normal I have no success in starting X window on my laptop.
Does anybody have an idea how to find out the reason for X windows don't start?
Thanks.

[01micko]

@laurentius77

X is started

Read some info about the window manager named "rat-poison".. named so because there is no mouse usage at all. Works ok for me.

BTW.. just for anyone interested, this is how I boot lazyux on a stick.

# isohybrid lazyux.iso
# dd if=lazyux.iso of=/dev/sdX #where X is your usb stick, eg: sdc NOT sdc1, which is a partition on the usb stick. Be careful! You can wipe your HDD if you get it wrong.

Put stick in target machine >> ensure boot from usb stick is the default (or choose from menu, many BIOS have this these days) - power on >> watch it boot >> at login prompt type root (you may not see the entry, don't worry) >> at password prompt type root >> after successful login type xinit ... rtfm about rat-poison!

[Karl Godt]

@laurentius77

X is started

Read some info about the window manager named "rat-poison".. named so because there is no mouse usage at all. Works ok for me..

Xorg -retro .. -- good to distinguish between Linux console and /usr/bin/Xorg ..
Also starts up faster for me ..

Hmm.. never heard about rat-poison ..

Xorg -allowMouseOpenFail start server even if the mouse can't be initialized ..