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PostPosted: Sun 03 Nov 2013, 01:42    Post subject:  

Examining the Touch experience in a desktop OS (Win7, Linux) is very different from the Touch experience in Android/Surface/iOS for iPhone-iPad.

On a high level, the desktop experience mimics mouse movement for desktop OSes. But in the other case, the touch is more like a signaling as these systems take on more responsibility in watching our movements for indications of what to do. (This is just the kind of thing that infants do as they observe and learn our ways as parents. In essence, we are increasingly going to be "teaching" our devices to serve us. This can further be seen by the tools that Microsoft/Apple/Google/Facebook/etc are providing in training programmers on application use of big data and information to assist users.)

Thus, today's kids will, in many future cases, never see a desktop experience as we have come to know. This is similar to the many people, today, who have NEVER driven a vehicle requiring to shift gears.

What is going to be of interest (at least to me) is the initial release of the Ubuntu Touch approach and how that compares to the suggested vision when they requested for Crowd-sourcing.

Technology, mankind....looking forward.

Off-topic momentarily. Anyone remember that I had a chance to see a voice development tool. If so, take a look at Android 4.4 inclusion of Google NOW! You may not see it the way I do, but, nonetheless, its potential is interesting at a mass populace level. One way to also look at this is "the vendors" started us off with Touch. Now we are moving to Touch and Talk. As we are now beginning to see how background services on the Android stack(s) can be beneficial.

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PostPosted: Sun 03 Nov 2013, 02:07    Post subject:  

gcmartin wrote:


On a high level, the desktop experience mimics mouse movement for desktop OSes. But in the other case, the touch is more like a signaling as these systems take on more responsibility in watching our movements for indications of what to do.


Interesting observation. Android uses an OnClickListener class that is attached to buttons, etc., that await (i.e, listen for) a user response. This is a big difference from a tool like gtkdialog.

gcmartin wrote:

Thus, today's kids will, in many future cases, never see a desktop experience as we have come to know. This is similar to the many people, today, who have NEVER driven a vehicle requiring to shift gears.


Dangerous comment Smile It's likely that the desktop will be around for years. For now, it's safe to say that mobile devices are finding their own niche. Many large enterprises are presently updating their Dells to Windows 7. Big screens, mouse, and keyboard are the superior way to go for almost every task where mobility isn't a distinct advantage.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Nov 2013, 02:22    Post subject:  

Agreed.

When I was growing up my Dad owned large trucks. No automatics. Learned to drive them as a kid. In urban areas, many large trucks (tractors and the like) have automatic transmissions. Some companies-drivers feel its a safer choice to run automatics. Just listen, when you're at a light as trucks today start off. If you've used a stick shift, you can tell the difference.

People can still buy the older, but, much has changed in preferences.

I am not trying to spell doom, rather, I am only showing industry movement which is bringing new applications into the hands of the public and its businesses.

I only wish that my eyes weren't so old. If so, I think I could see these views better. Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Nov 2013, 00:44    Post subject:  

Touch. This means a lot of things to a lot of different people. It, as we have seen, also can emote a emotional outburst in some when the word is actually seen.

So, even though this technology has a patent application submitted by this group, did they actually originate cross network "touch".

OK, let me see a show of hands: Didn't a Japanese firm demo this in 2006? At that time, I remember them demo'ing 2 people in 2 different places having the ability thru a wearable garment to "touch" each other (finger touch, hug, hold hands, etc.) via an internet connection.

Should a patent be extended which would limit development or use of technology in this kind of touch?

Thoughts?

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Nov 2013, 01:45    Post subject:  

gcmartin wrote:

Should a patent be extended which would limit development or use of technology in this kind of touch?

Thoughts?


"Ten years ago, we had people at Media Lab working on gestural interactions, and now they're everywhere, from the Microsoft Kinect to the Nintendo Wiimote," says Follmer. "Whatever it ends up looking like, the UI of the future won't be made of just pixels, but time and form as well. And that future is only five or ten years away. It's time for designers to start thinking about what that means now."

http://m.fastcodesign.com/3021522/innovation-by-design/mit-invents-a-shapeshifting-display-you-can-reach-through-and-touch
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PostPosted: Mon 09 Dec 2013, 04:29    Post subject: new Touch devices landing in public hands  

In case members in this community weren't looking, Microsoft has been making slates available at ridiculous prices. The latest available at 10AM today in US to the fast and furious.

And, in case we have been missing the projections that have been pouring in from Industry Leaders, here's good one of an expected unintended consequence.

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Dec 2013, 01:01    Post subject: Now, i see where Barry Kauler is going  

I have to applaud him, others on their vision and assistance with the Crowd-Funding and support of Ubuntu's direction.

I can also see why/where BK is heading into the New Year. The low power usage, the adaptability, the personalization aspects, and most importantly, the flexibility is changing everything around us.

On the following 2 items, members should try to understand both what the items represent and how many, including BK, envision directions.

Enjoy these 2
Ubuntu 2014 --and-- 64bit ARM

Time for us to try to understand and adjust ever so slightly what we do so that we are instrumental in items which can grow this community of PUP members who stop to look at where we are.

No one developer, as of yet, has taken a step to do even the simple thing that TaZoC did for touch in his Puppy Linux distro. Maybe the developers will adopt Ubuntu's approach.

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Edited to clarify a sentence missing punctuations..

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Dec 2013, 01:25    Post subject: Re: Now, i see where Barry Kauler is going  

gcmartin wrote:

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Ubuntu 2014 --and-- 64bit ARM


I recall speculation that the EDGE technology would ultimately be sold off to a Chinese cellphone manufacturer. Looks like the 64 bit capability is being offered by Qualcomm in China.

"Nevertheless, the 64-bit chipset is not new in the industry. Apple Inc. (AAPL - Analyst Report) has already introduced a iPhone with a 64-bit processor. Intel Corp. (INTC - Analyst Report) is the market leader in 64-bit chipset designed for PCs and laptops. Nvidia Corp. (NVDA - Analyst Report) is likely to offer 64-bit mobile chipsets in 2014."

http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/116519/qualcomm-introduces-64-bit-chipset
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Dec 2013, 01:44    Post subject: I bet BK saw either the industry reports/the direction and..  

We are on the verge of a major tidal-wave of technology shift that is occurring RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES!.

My LAST 2 posts and add this one to those 2 should be all that helps us craft a view that of what's occurring. (We can no longer behave with our "heads buried in the sand' hoping that when we pull our heads out, we will be back in the technology year of 2001. That is NEVER going to happen.

This community is a membership community and we must focus on those things which will "ATTRACT" members to come, use, and join what we offer them. Most EVERY new member coming to this community comes here with a 2007 PC or later, looking to be able to get a good base of applications that are NOT nearly as slow as what is currently on their PCs.

Thus Puppy, like Knoppix did, brings a simple easy way to run a "new" operating system which is responsive, can access their files, and provides applications to manipulate and generate information in the vein that they are accustomed. (The Internet is just one of those subsystems allowing this)

If we have our head out, take a look at this and try to understand its implecations. Then envision what a Linux Platform could do on this. Then, I think, no matter whether you "like" what you see or NOT, an idea forms on how this community can leap-frog into a position of power, while becoming attractive to many, many people outside of this community.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Dec 2013, 02:11    Post subject: Re: I bet BK saw either the industry reports/the direction and..  

gcmartin wrote:


If we have our head out, take a look at this and try to understand its implecations.


Probably not a great example, since I can do far more on my Dell Latitude with 1gig ram currently going for $80.00.

'With only 2GB of RAM users won’t be able to keep many tabs open at once before the machine starts to slow down."

"All of them run Chrome OS, and are great options for those who only need a web browser, or who can live entirely within web apps."
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PostPosted: Fri 13 Dec 2013, 06:39    Post subject: Re: I bet BK saw either the industry reports/the direction and..  

[quote="jpeps"]Probably not a great example, ... Dell Latitude with 1gig ram currently going for $80.00... /quote]A touch PC for $80 (US)? Where can I get one of those?

But, if I also understand you correctly, that this Acer PC is RAM limited. I wonder if RAM can be added? And, I wonder if a PUP like LightHouse64 can boot thru the PC's bios?

Maybe, Christmas will be good to me and I get one...maybe.

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Dec 2013, 13:40    Post subject: Re: I bet BK saw either the industry reports/the direction and..  

gcmartin wrote:


Hey SANTA. I've been good ... Exclamation


If you're going to lug around a 3 lb laptop, you might as well pack a mouse that will be far superior to a touch screen.

"The touch screen, is still difficult for small objects and doesn't always respond to double touching to enable a link."

 "It has pretty bad viewing angles and it has to be angled perfectly or the screen washes out."


I have a quality bluetooth keyboard, but rarely use it. Web Apps? I don't think so.
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Dec 2013, 08:16    Post subject:  

Yeah, I saw that. But, before I got my HP TX2, a touch-screen laptop, I saw same comments from a user/2.

But, in my use over the year, I have NOT found problems with either Windows or Lighthouse or ChromeOS (tested couple weeks ago). The TX2 has a 12.1" screen. I wonder if the ACER will be similarly responsive. If not, I'll just return it.

On my view of the ACER, I think I would find good use even with ChromeOS. It will allow me to use my Google ID to full capacity in the cloud with all of the free stuff I use when collaborating with colleagues and teams we have participated. My internet use has risen so much over the years that if I dont have internet access, I find myself walking away and only coming back when the net is up. This is very true with my use of Puppy Linux over the years as well as any other OS i've used.

So, I am finding others like me who have/are gravitated to more and more use of the internet as well as "expecting" touch to be the path to all of my system use.

Some will get a laugh from this. In helping a patron she commented that she noticed that I would occasionally reached up to touch her screen (my laptop was sitting right next to hers). In my case, its so easy to have the feeling that when I want to do something, now, I'm suppose to touch it. Here's the funny part. I explained it to her just that way. Now imagine the look on her face as I was "nose to chest "to her. ... I immediate began trying to get my foot out of my mouth. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Dec 2013, 11:24    Post subject:  

gcmartin wrote:


So, I am finding others like me who have/are gravitated to more and more use of the internet as well as "expecting" touch to be the path to all of my system use.



"- A survey of 240 companies questioned about the relation between their Web applications and security found about half experienced at least one Web application security incident since last year, sometimes with "severe negative financial consequences."


http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/091812-web-application-security-262520.html

This article was written before awareness of NSA exploits. There are plenty of other reasons to avoid Web applications besides security. I'd opt for off-line computing whenever possible.

Touch is great on mobile devices with small screens and a virtual keyboard. It becomes self-defeating on laptops and desktops that have a physical keyboard. One of the most important touch functions is to resize columns/fonts to the screen, completely useless for large screens.
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Dec 2013, 20:13    Post subject: New changes in our Landscape bringing Touch along with it.  

But, i have had some very good experience in using touch of 21"/24"/27" desktop PCs at various workplaces. They work fine. And, I have run Lighthouse64 of couple of HP all-in-one 24" from 2 different people on 2 different occasions who came to me to assist their Windows problems. When they went home, they had both their Windows OS working and a bootable Lighthouse (LH64) distro. Their choice.

In each's case, I have not heard back from either. Maybe a testament of sorts.

Touch offers no such disadvantage in operation or use....excepting that in LH64, the distro ONLY offers mouse button1 support which is acceptable to much of what I do.

I am expecting the plethora of application changes we are about to see in Linux as Canonical and Fedora move forward on this front.

Aslo, I am expecting Microsoft and Samsung/LG to announce reasonable cost Touch Tabletops which may be called "Touch Walltops" in the future to show up at upcoming CES.

People's reactions may be same as is traditional, but, this wont stop the directionals. So, more and more affordable 4K TVs will grace our presence. And, just maybe a Touch 4K system in the coming year.

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