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Which Browser is Best for Puppy
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Which browser is best for Puppy and why?
Dillo?
4%
 4%  [ 7 ]
Seamonkey?
25%
 25%  [ 39 ]
FireFox?
33%
 33%  [ 51 ]
Flock?
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Opera?
27%
 27%  [ 43 ]
Swiftfox?
3%
 3%  [ 6 ]
Konqueror?
1%
 1%  [ 2 ]
Command Line Browser?
0%
 0%  [ 1 ]
hv3?
0%
 0%  [ 1 ]
Something else?
2%
 2%  [ 4 ]
Total_votes : 154

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MU


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PostPosted: Tue 26 Sep 2006, 19:51    Post_subject:  

epiphany:

http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?p=61201#61201

Note that since Puppy 2.10, you must NOT install the Gtk-2.8 dotpup, as 2.10 has already Gtk 2.8.

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Nathan F


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PostPosted: Tue 26 Sep 2006, 20:22    Post_subject:  

My favorite right now is Elinks. Granted most people don't use a text mode browser, and granted also that I use a graphical one a lot, but frankly it shows the internet in a lot more pleasant way than most graphical browsers and keeps my machine runnig fast. Blazingly fast. I don't want or need popups, animated gifs, cpu robbing flash, embedded audio or video, or any of that other crap, just give me the information I'm looking for and I'm happy. If I want to view your other content let me download it and look at it on my own time, but don't make me wait an hour for your garbage to load before I can view the homepage.

Okay, rant over for now. I guess if I had to pick a graphical browser it would still be Seamonkey, because I like the suite. I'm still an Opera fan but a lot of the criticisms mentioned above definately apply, not to mention the fact that it's closed source.

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kdulcimer

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PostPosted: Tue 26 Sep 2006, 20:30    Post_subject:  

Opera all the way for speed. If something forces me to use another browser (like Google Pages), I use Flock.

By the way, Puppy has one of the best-configured Operas of any distro out there. Woof woof!
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pg99

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Sep 2006, 07:12    Post_subject:  

I really like dillo for the speed, it would be really bad if it disappeared - but why does it open every link in a new tab??? Its so annoying having to remember to right-click every link...

I run 109CE, so I also use firefox for the dillo-unfriendly sites. I wouldn't mind opera instead of firefox. Anything that has flash and java support out-of-the box would be fantastic really.
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sin

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Oct 2006, 02:33    Post_subject: My vote  

Which browser is best for Puppy and why?

I voted for hv3. Actually I never tried it, just red about it. I think it suits for Puppy because of small size and power. Browser is a matter of taste -- let user download his/her favourite. So I think that do not have a heavy browser in Puppy is a good thing.

I do not need SeaMonkey and any mailer because I use Gmail :) I like Opera, but Firefox is better for Puppy -- many Windows users are used to it and it is compatible with some web sites and Google AJAX services.

So my Puppy ideal is built in hv3 and three-click installs of Opera/Firefox/SeaMonkey using built in package manager.
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Pizzasgood


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Oct 2006, 03:03    Post_subject:  

One thing people forget to account for when saying "let the user add it" is that it will run faster if included in Puppy. Puppy loads pup_xxx.sfs into ram. It doesn't load the save-file into ram. So "after market" changes will never be as fast as the stock items. One solution is to remaster, but that's another thing to do.

If you ask me, that means having a "full" browser, such as SeaMonkey, Firefox, or Opera, is a better deal, since most people will be happy with whatever comes default and starts fast, so long as it handles whatever they throw at it.

It's the difference between being given something decent and the option to choose and being given very little and forced to choose.

On the other hand, if the space saved could be used to provide something more satisfying than having a nice browser by default, then go for it. Pass up a cookie for a pie, but don't give up the pie for a cookie. Unless it's a pie-sized cookie (either figuratively or literally).

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sin

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Oct 2006, 06:29    Post_subject: Cookies  

I missed this..., -1 hv3 +1 Firefox :)

A size of a cookie depends on a point of view :) I just too lazy to download 70M using dial-up. Let barebones live!
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joki

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Oct 2006, 10:03    Post_subject:  

opera.
around 10 megs (uncompressed) smaller than seamonkey suite yet it has more features. it's faster (in use), and can look/feel like moz or ie6 by simple customisation.

the tabbing model (MDI), session saving, zooming all page elements are just a few things which make firefox look like a poor contender
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Oct 2006, 16:40    Post_subject:  

Can it be set to allow middle-clicking the home, back, and forward buttons to open them in a new tab? What about the same thing with bookmarks? Until that happens, I'm staying with Firefox. Especially since 2.0 has tabs that close on middle-click in Puppy (as Opera has had for some time). One thing that ticked me off in 2.0rc3 was that they hid the option to not resize images in about:config. That was somewhat stupid of them, but I can still change it, along with lowering the tab min width and moving the close button back to the right. After that it's very usable even with forty tabs (I'm 100% serious, and I didn't do it on purpose, I just opened all the new forum posts that I was interested in like I do any other day. I had missed a day though, so there were 2x as many). The arrow buttons are very handy too.

As for session saving, Firefox has that now. I don't care for it though. That's what bookmarks are for.

Not that I don't like Opera. I almost prefer it. I just hasn't quite outfoxed the Flaming One yet. And when it started catching up, Firefox was reborn like the Phoenix it once was into a superior form.

The fat lady still hasn't sung though, so we'll see what the future brings...

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joki

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Oct 2006, 06:04    Post_subject:  

not sure, but opera practically invented 'mouse gestures' years ago so wouldnt be surprise if what you want is possible with a tweak. hold left button then click right btn will go to next page. i kinda like opera's keyboard navigation, again something you cant fully do in ff1 or ie6.

when firefox crashes you lose all the tabs (and their history) you were looking at on restarting. once you're used to sessions and resuming from where you left off it's hard to use another browser.

on windows ff 1.x had memory leaks and huge cpu usage - things may have changed now (I have to use ff 1.5 and ie6 at work for website testing)

The only bad points against opera that i can see are:
1. not open-source.
2. the odd poorly written site wont work properly (read that ms was sucessfully sued by opera for 10m when it was found to be intentionally sniffing for opera, cos it was scared). Enabling per-site 'identify as ie6' option usually fixes.

If one point of puppy is to obsess over lite-ness then opera wins hands down (by 5-6megs compressed).

From the poll there's no clear winner.
Maybe? have 4 isos every release: pup211-dillo.iso, pup211-firefox2.iso, pup211-opera902 etc...
If this isnt possible I'd prefer dillo as the std/only browser rahter than have a browser 'forced' on me
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J_Rey


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PostPosted: Sun 10 Dec 2006, 16:30    Post_subject:  SeaMonkey Suite  

I vote for the SeaMonkey Suite stripped down as is (except with Profile Roaming Support and normal default font size)!
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Dec 2006, 18:29    Post_subject:    

Firefox - preferably 1.5 for stability, but 2.0 will improve.

I like the flexibility to be able to use my own mail program in conjunction, and to load extensions that suit the way I work.

My current favourite extension is forecast fox; there's something intrinsically masochistic about knowing that it's 30 degrees Celcius outside and the sun is glistening on the water of the pool you spent the weekend cleaning, but you're stuck in a dark little study banging away on a computer. Razz

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john biles


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PostPosted: Sun 10 Dec 2006, 20:40    Post_subject:  

I used to use Firefox but tried Opera when I started using Puppy 2.10. Now I prefer it as I download alot of Dotpups and other files and I like the way it list them when downloading and thier progress.
it also allows the download of Widgets like chess and other small games you can play.
As anyone using it will have noticed it also shows a small picture of the websites you have opened when you hover your mouse over them on the top toolbar.
I have Puppy installed on my HD and also have firefox installed and no longer use it. When I do my next install of Puppy Firefox will be left out. Go Opera.
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Todd

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Dec 2006, 18:25    Post_subject: Konqueror  

My vote is for Konqueror. I wonder if it would be possible to install Konqueror and the QT toolkit without the rest of the KDE destop. Would this allow for the use of KOffice? I don't know. I think so. . .

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MU


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Dec 2006, 18:31    Post_subject:  

you can use mkkde to build a lightweight KDE with Konqueror.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?highlight=mkkde&t=11876

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?highlight=mkkde&t=11811

The resulting kde_2xx.sfs (kde_libs and kde_base) is around 70 MB.

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