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Install Puppy to USB without burning to CD first
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acefsw

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PostPosted: Sun 12 Jan 2014, 21:05    Post subject:  Install Puppy to USB without burning to CD first  

I've been using Puppy for a few years now, (but not a regular poster), and one of the things I would like to see is Puppy distributed so that it can be installed directly to USB, rather than having to burn it to a CD first. Puppy is great for devices like netbooks and low end laptops. Unfortunately, most of those devices do not have CD drives and therefore I think having to make a cd makes it more of an undue burden on those types of users There are versions of Linux that provide ISO images that can be burned to CD/DVD or directly written to a USB stick, so I am wondering why Puppy could not do the same. I realize that one can use unetbootin or similar tool, but I think making it easier to install to usb, the better.

On a side note and somewhat related, I am using my phone as an emulated usbhd to boot several flavors of Linux, no need to carry a usb around. It would be very cool if Puppy could be added to the list of distros that can be downloaded and used for such purpose. Most likely, I will look and see if I can use isohybrid to convert Puppy so it can be used on the emulated drive. If not I will create a blank emulated usbhd and install via unetbootin or Rufus.
I just like the idea of making Puppy as highly distributable as possible. It is still my favorite Linux distro and it started me on the path to exploring more Linux distros.

Thanks for your consideration.
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Sylvander

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PostPosted: Sun 12 Jan 2014, 21:14    Post subject:  

How To Do A USB Install Of Puppy Linux Slacko...
Methinks this method will work for various Puppies.
It worked for me first time.
You don't need an optical disk in a drive with this method, only mount the ISO file and copy the files that are inside it.
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acefsw

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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jan 2014, 02:58    Post subject:  

Sylvander wrote:
How To Do A USB Install Of Puppy Linux Slacko...
Methinks this method will work for various Puppies.
It worked for me first time.
You don't need an optical disk in a drive with this method, only mount the ISO file and copy the files that are inside it.


Thanks, but not the point, I will have no problems getting puppy on the emulated usbhd on my phone.

I am talking about making it distributable as an iso that can be written directly to usb without having to use any software. In the case you just posted, one already needs to be running Linux. My idea is to have it distributable so that new users do not have to find a CD drive, a software solution, or already be running a Linux distro, (and if they are they don't likely need help).

I know that other distros have this capability, hence why not puppy?
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mikeb


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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jan 2014, 08:40    Post subject:  

hybrid iso can be dd to usb...some distros use it.

The windows 32 installer here is excellent but made to dual boot and run from windows. Could easily be expanded to usb but Unfortunately the lack of official support means thats not likely.

Would be nice to have something in house rather than resorting to 3rd party tools.

Reason...politics.

mike
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acefsw

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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jan 2014, 19:43    Post subject:  

mikeb wrote:
hybrid iso can be dd to usb...some distros use it.

The windows 32 installer here is excellent but made to dual boot and run from windows. Could easily be expanded to usb but Unfortunately the lack of official support means thats not likely.

Would be nice to have something in house rather than resorting to 3rd party tools.

Reason...politics.

mike


Yeah, more and more distros are creating hybrid isos and using dd. I had no idea politics would be an issue. I thought the easier it is to get out there and used the better. Puppy is a great little distro, if not the best compact distro out there. My favorite was puppeee by jemimah, used to run it off an SD card on my old eeepc after the hard drive went south. I still have a copy somewhere.

Anyway, thanks for the reply.
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acefsw

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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jan 2014, 19:47    Post subject:  

BTW, Alpha OS is a hybrid based on arch, so can use dd to USB.
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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jan 2014, 21:42    Post subject:  

acefsw wrote:
BTW, Alpha OS is a hybrid based on arch, so can use dd to USB.


SOme time ago Fluppy13 was distributed as a zip file....windows users could extract the zip to a usb drive, run a batch file and have a bootable usb drive.

I've made multi-puppy bootable usb zip files and given them to friends....

The one I'm using now has 5 puppies on a usb drive...all selectable via a menu
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PostPosted: Tue 14 Jan 2014, 09:28    Post subject:  

acefsw wrote:

Yeah, more and more distros are creating hybrid isos and using dd.

I believe the next woof-CE puppy (most likely Slacko-5.6.7 or something) will be a hybrid iso.

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dancytron

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PostPosted: Tue 14 Jan 2014, 11:46    Post subject:  

In Windows, the program Universal USB Installer works great.

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
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PostPosted: Tue 14 Jan 2014, 11:51    Post subject:  

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In Windows, the program Universal USB Installer works great.

exactly...shame the in house version is not pormoted/supported which would make good sense. Being tailored for puppy is a good thing since there are many permutations that a third party tool might miss.

mike
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jan 2014, 14:38    Post subject:  

Hybrid ISOs are a great idea. But now that flash drives are multi-GB in size, it seems a waste to use a one-distro-per-drive procedure.

Consider the alternative here.

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PostPosted: Wed 15 Jan 2014, 14:59    Post subject:  

bootlace.com /dev/thing, a menu.lst and mount a few iso to copy a few files.... all seems so easy ... wizards are for kids stories and discworld games.

A windows program to make linux happen..a laymans dream.

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PostPosted: Wed 12 Feb 2014, 17:56    Post subject:  

@acefsw
phone as an emulated usbhd to boot several flavors of Linux,...
could you explain more about how to set up a phone to do this...
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