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#161 Post by gcmartin »

step wrote:... So I'm guessing that rootwait is required to boot any kind of USB/SD portable media. Am I on the right track?
I found to the contrary when testing. Failure without it on my Dell laptop where current tests are done. It required both parms to boot sdb6.

My steps on 8GB stick:
    1. Gparted /dev/sdb
    2. Turn "Unallocated" area into an extended partition
    3. created a formatted f2fs partition in the extended area
    4. Exit Gparted
    5. Remove stick, count to 3 re-insert stick
    6. mount sdb2 AND sdb6
    7. Open 1 ROX window to sdb2 and a 2nd ROX window to sdb6
    8. Insure that you can see hidden files in sdb2 window
    9. Drag-copy all folders-files seen in sdb2 to sdb6 (be patient, USB is a slow asynchronous device)
    10. edit the bootmanager config in /mnt/sdb1/boot/syslinux as indicated earlier, here
    Reboot with stick.
Hope this helps

When done, would you post your final bootmanager config.

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#162 Post by charlie6 »

Hi ETP,
- disconecting the PC's main power did not fix the above reported boot difficulties;
- i now wonder how my above reported boot difficulties could be BIOS dependent ...
i indeed experienced the following on the very same COMPAQ desktop.
On that PC, i have installed among others:
- dPup Wheezy 3.5.2.11, frugal install on sda2
(note: dPup Wheezy3.5.2.11 cannot open or mount f2fs partitions ... but sdb1 is fat16 formated)
- quirky 6.0.3, full install on sda5

BluePup v2 is installed on a 8GB USB stick.

step1: USB stick plugged and start PC: let's assume it doesn't boot ; then a flashing dash prompt is displayed; then unplug the USB stick and boot PC on quirky6.0.3;
once booted, plug the USB stick, and just mount sdb1 by clicking on its icon;
afterwards, unmount it, and restart the PC with the stick left plugged;
then BluePupv2 boots OK.
(note: while the flashing dash prompt is displayed, if waiting over 60-70sec, then Grub starts and display the boot menu.)

step2: from above step1, switch off PC, and unplug the USB stick.
Then boot PC choosing dPup Wheezy 3.5.2.11;
plug the USB stick, and just mount sdb1; once mounted, unmount it
then reboot PC with USB stick left plugged;
BluePupv2 does'nt boot.

To get the USB stick booting again, i have to perform step1.

I could reproduce all this several times .
Are there explanations to such a behaviour?
Cheers, Charlie

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#163 Post by ETP »

Hi Charlie,

The good news is that your COMPAQ BIOS is capable of booting from a USB stick so you can disregard my previous comment about trying V3. What is does need is a little persuasion. :)
Start by putting your syslinux.cfg back to its original state.

When Grub started after 60-70secs it means that your BIOS must have booted from the hard disc rather than the USB. In order to try to get the better of it try the following:
1. Shutdown the box & remove all mains power to it for a couple of minutes.

2. Plug your Blue V2 stick in then power up pressing the appropriate key to access your BIOS settings as you do so.

3. Place the stick at the top of the boot order (Before any CD or HDD) then SAVE your BIOS settings. Hopefully it will then proceed to boot from the stick.

4. Once you have played around with Blue and set up the network connection if need be, rather than shutting down, select re-boot from the JWM menu to check whether Blue once again boots.

5. Shutdown completely but leave the stick plugged in and the mains power connected.

6. Give it 10 seconds or so then turn on again to see whether it still boots into Blue or defaults to booting from the HDD.

7. If it defaults to the HDD, it means that you are going to have to repeat steps 2 & 3 each time you want to boot Blue from the USB stick.

I note that you have a full install of 6.0.3 on sda5 which I suspect is not an f2fs partition.

Good luck.
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#164 Post by charlie6 »

Hi ETP,
(from page 1 ...)
ETP wrote:
Ted Dog wrote:Why just why would someone want a windows8 work a like...
Hi Ted Dog,
...
My thinking behind this release is to offer the bling that is fashionable and likely to attract youngsters to try and experience the benefits of Linux. Witness their obsession with smart-phones and fondle slabs. If we fail to keep pace with the times and only major on code and functionality at the expense of form, we will stand little chance of attracting the next generation to Linux who will perceive the traditional desktop as something archaic only suited to geeks or grandfathers.
just to mention ...
«Woooow ... :D ! that's Linux ...!? :shock: » asked me my 18 y.o. daughter watching to the BluePup's Metro screen this morning at office...
«Nice colours ...» ... my wife's comment yesterday before watching a video ..
Thanks again ETP !
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#165 Post by Billtoo »

After using xbmc under wine I checked QPM and saw that the latest xbmc
12.3 is available so I installed that.
XBMC is working great but only if your graphics card supports direct
rendering, ati and nvidia don't (on computers that I've tested Quirky
and Blue Pup on),all intel that I've tested do with 1 exception which was intel
ivybridge mobile.

This pc has:
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Desktop x86/MMX/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 10.0.1

The xbmc in QPM uses less resources compared to the windows version
running under wine.

EDIT:
I moved my Blue Pup V2 flashdrive to a pc with a Radeon HD 8570
graphics card, direct rendering is working with this card:

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.4, 256 bits)
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 10.0.1

Screenshot 2 shows xbmc running on this pc.

Older ati cards that I've tried use the modesetting driver which is
the only option given when xorgwizard is run.
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#166 Post by gcmartin »

@BillToo, thanks. I was just looking at this site just before clicking into this BLUE thread where I find your post. XBMC would be an excellent native application for this distro it could be, OOTB.

What an idea.

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A sticky wicket.

#167 Post by ETP »

If anyone is curious about the construction of the 8GB USB stick GPT layout that BarryK issued for QT and is used in Blue V1 & V2 but not in V3, this is the relevant link:

http://bkhome.org/news/?viewDetailed=00015

Blue V3 attempts to address two issues that emerged in testing by forum members. The first is that some sticks are in reality less than 8x1000x1000x1000 bytes. The second is that some BIOSs will not boot from a USB stick without using some trickery.

When I first issued Blue I failed to anticipate the first problem and although aware of the second, did not realise just how common that problem is.

The above observations have been added to the second (FAQ) post in this thread which now contains 9 items as opposed to the original 4.
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#168 Post by Billtoo »

I moved my flashdrive once again, this time to a pc with an nvidia
graphics card.
video-info-glx 1.5.3 Tue 8 Apr 2014 on Quirky Tahr 6.0.5 Linux 3.12.6 i686
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 220] (rev a2)
oem: NVIDIA
product: GT216 Board - 0682vb12 Chip Rev
X Server: Xorg Driver: nouveau
X.Org version: 1.15.0
dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (507x285 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: nouveau
OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on NVA5
OpenGL core profile version string: 3.1 (Core Profile) Mesa 10.0.1
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz
Core 0: @2003 1: @2003 MHz

It booted to the desktop, I needed to run alsamixer in the terminal to
adjust the sound but that was it.
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#169 Post by step »

One success, one failure + question.
Success: blue pup runs from my SDD. Got a V3 blue pup working on 8GB USB key. Prepared f2fs partition on SSD. Copied files from USB key f2fs partition to SSD. Edited config file in USB key vfat partition to point to the SSD f2fs partition /dev/sda5.
Failure: I have an old HP usb 1.1 memory key, 30MB, and I thought I could use it instead of my other 8GB USB key to hold the vfat boot partition. So, formatted hp key vfat, cloned vfat partition from 8GB USB key to 30MB hp key using gnost option 6, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=54231, shut down, replaced 8GB key with 30MB key, reboot. I can see the progress indicator "vmlinuz....<ready>" but then my PC reboots followed by the progress indicator again in an endless loop.
Questions: Where did I go wrong? What should happen, technically, after the progress indicator says "<ready>"?

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#170 Post by gcmartin »

Hello @Step.

The problem, I think, is that the MBR does not contain the proper program to config file on the partition you formated on the USB1.1 stick. Changing the bootmanager to GRUB4DOS might help here.

I've never done the following with BLUE. But, its an idea.
While running your PUP
  • insert your USB1.1 stick.
  • blanks your stick
  • go to Menu>system>GRUB4DOS
  • Let GRUB4DOS setup stick
Try again.

You may have to set parms on the Blue entry in the config file to boot.
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#171 Post by Ted Dog »

would a copy work? over an existing thar. I found out dd-ing to a flashdrive is about the worst thing for long life.

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#172 Post by step »

gcmartin wrote:The problem, I think, is that the MBR does not contain the proper program to config file on the partition you formated on the USB1.1 stick. Changing the bootmanager to GRUB4DOS might help here.
I'm not an expert, but I thought that the MBR is fine since the USB1.1 stick is going through a boot sequence and displaying "vlinuz.....<ready>" then the PC reboots. I used gnost to clone the source partition to the USB1.1 stick, gnost is a cloning script, I think it takes care of the MBR. But I could be wrong. Anyway, I used GRUB4DOS boot manager from puppy precise and set the USB1.1 menu.lst to boot from /dev/sda5 and also chainload linux on /dev/sda (in GRUB4DOS advanced menu). Neither option worked. Blank monitor with a blinking underline cursor. I might give up on this USB1.1 key and go back to using a full blue pup V3 stick to boot blue pup on my SSD - like I'm doing just now. It's a waste, but at least it works.

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Booting from HDD or SSD with another stick or card

#174 Post by ETP »

Hi step,
Where did I go wrong?
It sounds as though Gnost, which I have never used, was not up to the job. What you attempted was right in principle. To achieve your aim:

1. Return your 30MB key (The target boot device you wish to use.) to its virgin state as described below:

In Linux use Gparted to do that: (In Windows just format it.)
  • A. Start by clicking on “device
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#175 Post by charlie6 »

Hi ETP,
I got no success copying the sticks 2nd partition (using rox drag and drop the files from the stick 2nd partition).
[quote="ETP"]
Install to hard disc or SSD:

Having created a working Blue Pup install on a card or stick you have all the ingredients and simply need to copy over the complete contents of the 2nd partition on the card or stick to an empty f2fs partition that you “prepared earlier

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Install to hard disc or SSD:

#176 Post by ETP »

Hi Charlie,

Firstly UNDER NO circumstances should you attempt to target your HDD with the img.xz file. That could WIPE your hard drive. :shock:

I am not clear from your post whether you are struggling to copy the files to your ext4 partition or whether you are struggling to boot having successfully copied the files.

Can you please clarify the problem?
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#177 Post by Billtoo »

I installed Blue Pup V2 to a usb 3.0 flashdrive, it's running on my
dual core lenovo desktop.
I have 2 monitors connected and by installing arandr from QPM it is
using both screens.

video-info-glx 1.5.3 Wed 9 Apr 2014 on Quirky Tahr 6.0.5 Linux 3.12.6 i686
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 220] (rev a2)
oem: NVIDIA
product: GT216 Board - 0682vb12 Chip Rev
X Server: Xorg Driver: nouveau
X.Org version: 1.15.0
dimensions: 3840x1080 pixels (1013x285 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz
Core 0: @2003 1: @2003 MHz

It turns direct rendering off so XBMC won't run,oh well.
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Re: Booting from HDD or SSD with another stick or card

#178 Post by greengeek »

ETP wrote:Return your 30MB key (The target boot device you wish to use.) to its virgin state as described below:

In Linux use Gparted to do that: (In Windows just format it.)
I've had quite a few usb booting problems (not with Blue pup...) where I have used Gparted in the belief that it returns a stick to a pure, virgin state. However, it is now my belief that Gparted cannot be trusted to format a stick to an "ex Factory" condition - it leaves some mbr and filesystem structures intact, and if those structures have already been damaged, corrupted or badly configured then you can't count on Gparted to correct it. (I'm no expert on this so don't quote me...)

I just wanted to mention that in case some people find odd results after expecting that Gparted would 'virginise' the stick. There might be more thorough ways of getting a solid "ground zero" format including a perfectly configured mbr...

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Re: Install to hard disc or SSD:

#179 Post by charlie6 »

Hi ETP,
goodmorning !
ETP wrote:Hi Charlie,
Firstly UNDER NO circumstances should you attempt to target your HDD with the img.xz file. That could WIPE your hard drive. :shock:
Thanks !!!
I am not clear from your post whether you are struggling to copy the files to your ext4 partition or whether you are struggling to boot having successfully copied the files.
Can you please clarify the problem?
Sorry being that unclear :oops:
the question is just to get the files copied to the ext4 partition.

Uuh...There might be some further boot question afterwards... :? If i've well understood, the BluePup stick is needed for booting (from the files into sdb1). BluePup is not aimed for starting from Grub, isn't...?

Thanks for your time
Charlie

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Re: Install to hard disc or SSD:

#180 Post by ETP »

Hi Charlie,

To copy the files from the second (f2fs) partition on the working stick that you have made, you must first boot from another Pup that is f2fs aware such as QT, Precise 5.7.1 or Thin Slacko.
Once you have booted that Pup, plug in your Blue stick and then open up two Rox filer windows.
The first window should be to the empty partition on the hard disc.
The second window should be to the f2fs partition on the stick.

Make sure that you display hidden files on the stick & then select everything.
Drag them across to the empty window and select copy. That process will take some time as there is about 1.6GB of directories and their contents to copy.

The syslinux.cfg on the Blue Pup stick then needs changing so that you can boot from that.

If the above is not working for you, please post any error messages.
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