Slacko 5.7 final - 8 March 2014

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Rodney Byne
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#541 Post by Rodney Byne »

Hi to bigpup,

"You could place them in /mnt/home
That is still on the Flash drive, but outside of the save file."

That's a good idea I will do that.

"You could change how you made the save file.
When asked to make a save file, there is an option to use the entire flash drive."

Yes there is that option in Precise 5.7.1 but I'm sure I didn't see it in Slacko otherwise I would have used it.
The limits are from a minimum 32Mb to just over 4Gb.

"This option puts some of the Puppy directories on the drive and saves in them. Only size limit is size of drive."

I've no doubt this is true - if only, in my case.
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Hi to SFR,

"Actually it can be, see Menu -> Utility -> Resize personal storage file
4Gb is max size, but only for initial savefile."

Now I tried doing all that and put the process through the motions
twice to attempt in doubling the size, but after each reboot the size remained unaltered at 3.9Gb.
That was a surprise - no a shock.
Although I know this works with an 8Gb stick, cos I made one up
a few days earlier and it all performs a dream.

I wonder if all the above is connected with the large flashdrive
size - Slacko can't cope with caching 32Gb and it messes with
the processes, or is that unproven?
Would the same things happen installing to a conventional large hard drive?

All interesting stuff, I've learned a few useful things today.

Am considering using the 8Gb install with files in /mnt/home and/or an empty 32Gb as external swopping storage - that's the next experiment.
Cheers.

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#542 Post by SFR »

Now I tried doing all that and put the process through the motions
twice to attempt in doubling the size, but after each reboot the size remained unaltered at 3.9Gb.
That was a surprise - no a shock.
Resizing the savefile > 4GB requires a filesystem capable to hold files larger than 4GB - perhaps your USB stick is formatted to FAT (which has the mentioned limitation)?

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#543 Post by bigpup »

"You could change how you made the save file.
When asked to make a save file, there is an option to use the entire flash drive."

Yes there is that option in Precise 5.7.1 but I'm sure I didn't see it in Slacko otherwise I would have used it.
The limits are from a minimum 32Mb to just over 4Gb.
Sorry, I assumed it was still an option.
You know what they say about assume :oops:

I wonder why the "save to entire flash drive" was removed from the save options?
Maybe a bug in Slacko 5.7.

01micko,
Did you remove this save option?
If so, why?
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#544 Post by mavrothal »

bigpup wrote: I wonder why the "save to entire flash drive" was removed from the save options?
The option is not removed.
However, is shows only if the device has an "ext2|ext3|ext4|reiserfs|minix|btrfs|f2fs" partition and the puppy files are not in a subdirectory (true also in precise).

Given the "disappearance" of the option and he 4GB "limit" in savefile, it would appear that SFR's suggestion above is the most likely. The stick is FAT formatted.
Type "df -hT" in the terminal to verify it.
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#545 Post by bigpup »

mavrothal,

I am sure glad that program is smarter than me :D
Totally forgot to think about the limits, on what can be done, using Fat format.
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installing slacko to usb

#546 Post by Rodney Byne »

Hi to all,

I read the above posts and so to correct my mistake,
re expanding the savefile size using a vfat usb,

first I made a bootable DVD of Slacko 5.7 using Brasero
burner in Xubuntu.
After booting the disk successfully, then I tried to run the
Installer prog to put Slacko on to USB flashdrive but it said it
can't find the plugged-in ext2 stick!!
Could somebody try this and confirm why this is happening please?

(Yes I HAD originally formatted my 32Gb stick in vfat and have
since re-formatted it in ext2 and it's boot-flagged at the ready)

Continuing,
I am sitting at this laptop running Xubuntu on an ext4 formatted
hard drive and the Slacko 5.7 iso has been saved in Downloads.

With the correctly re-formatted ext2 stick plugged in,
what are the terminal commands step-by-step for installing the
puppy slacko 5.7 iso file to that usb flash drive please?

If I could copy/paste them in line by line, that would be most helpful
so I can continue to finish this usb installation properly.
Thanks in advance.

gcmartin

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#547 Post by gcmartin »

@Big Pup & @Mavrothal, thanks. You got me to thinking about the option to save direct to a partition's filesystem vs save session to a file in the filesystem. I know the utility to do so have been in existence for years and lots of thought has transpired, but, I took a look at the recent table for filesizes and thought it appropriate to present for development review.
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I ask
  • Should the option to allow save-session directly to a partition be allowed no matter what the running filesystem is as long as it one of these shown? Or is there some additional reason, other than filesize, that the selection given to the user is pruned?
Thanks in advance for any answer

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Re: Save-session options presented the user after pristine boot

#548 Post by mavrothal »

gcmartin wrote: is there some additional reason, other than filesize?
Mainly, file permissions.
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#549 Post by bigpup »

After booting the disk successfully, then I tried to run the
Installer prog to put Slacko on to USB flashdrive but it said it
can't find the plugged-in ext2 stick!!
While running from the live Slacko 5.7 DVD:

Can you mount the flash drive by clicking on its desktop drive icon?
If yes.
Try doing that and then running the Puppy Universal Installer.

If you used Gparted to partition and format, use it to do a check of the flash drive.
Right click on drive partition and choose check.
May be something wrong with the file system on it.
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gcmartin

#550 Post by gcmartin »

@Mavrothal, Thanks . You're right, that's a show-stopper. I must be (better yet, "I am") getting old. See @Big PUP, that memory thing is not limited. I cant remember everything either. :)

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Slacko 5.7 final

#551 Post by L18L »

Just a small note:

Non-English noobies seem to have difficulties to find their language pack.
They are in repo puppy-noarch-official which is by default not activated

Possible solutions
add noarch repo
- inactivate another repo
or
- increase allowed number of repos :?:

EDIT:
or
- add elsewhere some message like:
Configure your package manager to include repo "Puppy-noarch-official"
then find 'langpack' (without quotes) will find all language packs" :lol:

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#552 Post by puppy_apprentice »

I've made an rox-app for browse icon.

With it i have option to choose browser (if there is installed more) via right mouse button or change beahavior of browser icon simply using as argument eg. "--dillo".

Maybe for Puppy Linux we could make similar apps for rest icons and modify those apps when we install new pets?
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Partview

#553 Post by rufwoof »

In partview, is there a way to change the colours/font?

Mine's pretty unreadable as-is (Slacko 5.7.0)
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#554 Post by puppy_apprentice »

You have script svg_bar in usr/lib/gtkdialog folder, you can try to change colors there:

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COLOR_USED='#006793'
COLOR_TOTAL='#444444'
COLOR_TEXT='#bbbbbb'

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Re: Partview

#555 Post by zigbert »

rufwoof wrote:In partview, is there a way to change the colours/font?

Mine's pretty unreadable as-is (Slacko 5.7.0)
I am working on a user-interface for theming of templates in /usr/lib/gtkdialog/, and will hopefully be a part of the next Puppy.

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#556 Post by rufwoof »

puppy_apprentice wrote:You have script svg_bar in usr/lib/gtkdialog folder, you can try to change colors there:

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COLOR_USED='#006793'
COLOR_TOTAL='#444444'
COLOR_TEXT='#bbbbbb'
Worked great thanks

COLOR_USED='#369EF2'
COLOR_TOTAL='#AEB5BF'
COLOR_TEXT='#000000'
HEIGHT="32"
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#557 Post by puppy_apprentice »

Really better. Next time Puppy developers have to consult colors palette with you ;)

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#558 Post by rufwoof »

puppy_apprentice wrote:Really better.
I'm looking forward to zigbert's util.

Am I the only one (perhaps colour blind) that has problems with matching jwm with gtk themes and/or getting colour/theme/message settings that are functionally usable in practice?

Standard Slacko 5.7.0 - I couldn't read terminal well. htop also a strain (I've set mine to monochrome). For some themes the speaker/internet tray icons night on disappear. Geany orange text is also a strain IMO. But it might just be me - aging eyes.

Another thing I have to more or less do as standard now is install Firefox ZOOM add on. Tiny text on some web pages, OK on others. The zoom util is useful for me in that respect as its a few clicks to zoom in or out and a right click to include scaling of images or not.

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#559 Post by rufwoof »

Not Slacko 5.7 specific, but in general, when you have flashblock addon acitve and are viewing this message board, do you still see the R1-Soft penguin flash pop up at the top of each screen before it switches to a blocked flash area?

I'm guessing that flash becomes active for a brief time, but if so isn't that a potential security risk? (Some exploit of flash potentially managing to do something before it was blocked).

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#560 Post by bigpup »

Another thing I have to more or less do as standard now is install Firefox ZOOM add on. Tiny text on some web pages, OK on others.
In Firefox

edit->Preferences->Content->Fonts & colors->Advanced

Change the minimum font size

This affects all fonts on a web page.
Try different sizes until you find one you like.
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