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saintless


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PostPosted: Mon 14 Apr 2014, 04:34    Post subject:  

sunburnt wrote:
Toni; First time I pasted from DebianDog Geany, this time from Puppy Geany... Encoding?

Hi, Terry.
Geany in DebianDog is also from Puppy. It is set to UTF-8 encoding.
I think the problem with copy/paste is only from Dillo. At least I didn't noticed this problem with h3v.
William explained this few pages back about difference in encoding of this forum and Geany. I will try to find his post later.

I never use xorg.conf file but I will try to test it my self tonight.

Edit: Here is the post from William about the encoding difference:
mcewanw wrote:
saintless wrote:

Edit: Fred - do you see � � in the last code Smile It is Dillo copy paste issue. Mystery solved.


Yes, that's the charset=iso-8859-1 versus UTF-8 issue I mentioned before. Same thing happens if copying from iceweasel to Geany. You can see the murga-forum uses charset=iso-8859-1 by looking at the webpage Source and Geany setup for UTF-8


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PostPosted: Mon 14 Apr 2014, 04:41    Post subject:  

francois.E wrote:
I am working with on porteus-wheezy.iso I would like to save the current session with its applications. Is there some way to install the following binary?
/usr/bin/xfce4-session-settings

You can save session with several save file or folder options + remaster Porteus-Wheezy with your changes if this is what you need.
Read here about the save file - folder options for Porteus-Wheezy:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Porteus-Wheezy/Readme.txt

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Apr 2014, 04:57    Post subject: Re: explanation please  

Volhout wrote:
But problem is that there is not short introduction to help me select what I could try. And why. Why would I pick kernel 3.2.x and why not 3.9.x.

Is it possible to write a short explanation (first post), explain the 2 flavors, and the influence of the kernels ?

Hi, Volhout.
Soon there will be new DebianDog thread. This one started as Light-Wheezy and Porteus-Wheezy and has too many versions which now are two different DebianDog with jwm/icewm and openbox/xfce.

DebianDog Examples-boot-codes text here which has most of the information:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/Examples-boot-codes.txt
And DebianDog folder:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/

DebianDog has kernel-3.2.0-4-486. If it works on your hardware you need nothing more. If it doesn't there are several separate kernel modules for download to boot with one of them, remove kernel-3.2.0-4-486 and remaster DebianDog with different kernel keeping almost the same system size.

In the next few days I plan to open separate DebianDog thread in Puppy Projects section.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Apr 2014, 05:12    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
EDIT2: Sorry, the above is only when disabling automount, I made a small module with edited /etc/rc.local.
So if 'mnt-all' runs at boot there are no problems.

Hi, Fred.
I think if you have only one drive as sda1 for example auto-mount on boot does not help. You still get empty /live-rw-backing folder clicking on sda1 desktop drive icon.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Apr 2014, 05:26    Post subject: Re: explanation please  

Volhout wrote:
Hi Saintless, Fredx181, and numerous others...

I have been reading some of this thread, and it seems to be a "joint development", with some common ground, but a lot of differences.

Most of the tech stuff, is "interdeveloper" stuff, and I can't follow, especially not at the pace this thread is moving.

Volhout


Hi Volhout,

This, the only thread for DebianDog and Porteus-Wheezy at the moment, is pretty much purely the development thread, rather than a "release thread", So it is almost entirely fast-paced technical, being used as it is, for some very active months now, as the communication channel between collaborating developers. Anyone is free to read it and contribute and try out the alpha and now beta release, of course, but as yet there isn't much in the way of user documentation aside from a Readme file provided with the beta iso download. Once Toni, and the others feel everything is ready for a formal release to the community a new thread is likely to be started for that purpose, which will probably be soon.

Best for now is maybe just to read the Examples-boot-codes.txt, which you'll find at http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/. If the contents of that make sufficient sense to you, it would maybe be worth just downloading DebianDog-Porteus-beta.iso from the same download location and having a go at installing it - it's only a 112MB download. I usually install it just by opening up the iso from Puppy linux and then copying the live folder onto a usb stick. Then I copy the suggested Examples-boot-codes.txt grub4dos menu.lst boot stanza suggestions into my existing grub4dos menu.lst and debiandog just boots once I get that correct. You'll find some discussion on booting on pages 153 and 154 of this thread, which may help if you run into any problems. (EDIT: or just burn it to a CD or DVD and try booting from it.)

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Apr 2014, 07:59    Post subject:  

Hi francois.E
Quote:
francois.E wrote:
I am working with on porteus-wheezy.iso I would like to save the current session with its applications. Is there some way to install the following binary?
/usr/bin/xfce4-session-settings

You can save session with several save file or folder options + remaster Porteus-Wheezy with your changes if this is what you need.
Read here about the save file - folder options for Porteus-Wheezy:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/Porteus-Wheezy/Readme.txt

Toni

Toni answered already about using a savefile but maybe your problem is that the "xfce4-session" package failed to install.
That's because of a mistake I made, there's a file in the obshutdown-porteuswheezy package which is also in xfce4-session.
If I have time I'll make new .deb for obshutdown-porteuswheezy which will solve it.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Apr 2014, 08:55    Post subject:    

"Puppy to be able to use apt" for has an impact. Shocked

But Japanese locale and Japanese input are necessary so that I use it directly.
In fact, this has a big problem.
This is because Light-Wheezy and Porteus-Wheezy which is Debian base
does not accept localization of Puppy. Sad

I tried localization for trial for a few days,
but much apt install and the editing of the configuration file were forced to.
And it is not in condition to be usable normally now either. Mad

This occurs like by some languages.

This topic has good reaction, on the other hand, please recognize that you have a big problem.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Apr 2014, 09:41    Post subject: Localization about  

Hi BALLOON a.k.a. Fu-sen san!

Partial localization system for ru_RU shown per page:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90660&start=630
the report:
Posted: Sun 12 Jan 2014 10:20
About localization: .........

Try to apply it for the Japanese language.

Sergey.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Apr 2014, 09:46    Post subject:  

No. I have already known this article.

It is relatively easy to display it in Japanese.
A problem is Japanese input.
It is necessary to introduce "input method" into this.
("SCIM" is mainstream in Japanese Edition,
"Fcitx" has been adopted mainly on Chinese Language Pack,
On the other hand, as for other distribution including Debian,
"iBus" becomes mainstream)
I hit the big wall by the movement method of this.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Apr 2014, 10:11    Post subject:  

Hi Toni
Quote:
fredx181 wrote:
EDIT2: Sorry, the above is only when disabling automount, I made a small module with edited /etc/rc.local.
So if 'mnt-all' runs at boot there are no problems.

Hi, Fred.
I think if you have only one drive as sda1 for example auto-mount on boot does not help. You still get empty /live-rw-backing folder clicking on sda1 desktop drive icon.


Yes, but I think I,ve got it working right in all cases.

Attached: 02-filesystem.squashfs.tar (remove dummy .tar)

It restores the live-rw-backing folder, a little script in /opt/bin (runned from rc.local) will locate the drive where live-rw is and mount it.
Also the same new autostart.sh included.

The script which locates drive with live-rw works for my setup but I don't think it will on yours because of conflicting mnt-all.
I don't like automount all at boot so mnt-all doesn't run on my setup.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Apr 2014, 10:30    Post subject:  

balloon wrote:
No. I have already known this article.

It is relatively easy to display it in Japanese.
A problem is Japanese input.
It is necessary to introduce "input method" into this.
("SCIM" is mainstream in Japanese Edition,
"Fcitx" has been adopted mainly on Chinese Language Pack,
On the other hand, as for other distribution including Debian,
"iBus" becomes mainstream)
I hit the big wall by the movement method of this.

Hi, Balloon.

DebianDog is not based on Debian. It is very small Debian-Wheezy shaped to look like Puppy. Think of it as Debian Wheezy Live CD what it actually is.

I really doubt Debian Wheezy has a problem with Japan localization and I can't test this my self, but if Debian Wheezy has a problem, then DebianDog has the same problem and it will be fixed when Debian team fix it official.

To use localization in DebianDog you need to install locales package:
Code:
apt-get install locales

And to configure for Japan localization:
Code:
dpkg-reconfigure locales

For DebianDog you also need to load this separate locales module:
http://smokey01.com/saintless/DebianDog/System-modules/00-locale-files.squashfs
this module has all /usr/share/locale files for all installed in DebianDog packages. You can copy just the Japan locale files and to remaster DebianDog instead adding 22 Mb to the system size with all available languages.
Place it in /live and reboot or just load it with SFS-loader or right click menu load option.

I also suggest to run in terminal menu-debian to use the default official debian menu method to test the localization.

To setup Japan keyboard layout use from the Menu System-Keyboard or run in terminal:
Code:
dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration


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PostPosted: Mon 14 Apr 2014, 10:33    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
The script which locates drive with live-rw works for my setup but I don't think it will on yours because of conflicting mnt-all.
I don't like automount all at boot so mnt-all doesn't run on my setup

Thank you, Fred!
I'm back home now and I will start testing in the next few minutes.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Apr 2014, 10:51    Post subject: Localization about  

Hi BALLOON a.k.a. Fu-sen san!

Toni has already answered your question.
I want to add a few lines, maybe it will help.

Every time I maked user-configured OS Linux (debootstrap and chroot), I faced the problem of incomplete (or even no) localization.
And then did the localization manually.

Terminal & command as root should help:
Code:
# apt-get update
# dpkg-reconfigure locales

From the perspective of OS Debian (language which originally English (American)):
localization for Japan or Russia is no different.
All differences are in the following DIR's and files:

/etc/default/keyboard - for setup keyboard-switcher for any language (locale)
/etc/X11/app-defaults/XXkb - for indicate keyboard-layout with locale-flags
/usr/share/fonts/ - maybe need to add some laguage-specific fonts.

Need to change for language (here no other as us-keyboard - by default):
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/90-keyboard-layout.conf
Code:
Section "InputClass"
   Identifier "keyboard-all"
   MatchIsKeyboard "on"
   MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
   Driver "evdev"
   Option "XkbLayout" "us"
   #Option "XkbVariant" ""
   Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
EndSection

- as in /etc/default/keyboard (here for switch from en_US to ru_RU):
Code:
# KEYBOARD CONFIGURATION FILE
# Consult the keyboard(5) manual page.
XKBMODEL="pc105"
XKBLAYOUT="us,ru"
XKBVARIANT=","
XKBOPTIONS="grp:ctrl_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll"
BACKSPACE="guess"


- but most often it is necessary when the system is not going to such as "out of the box"
- these files sometimes have to be changed manually in the right direction

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Apr 2014, 12:01    Post subject:  

fredx181 wrote:
The script which locates drive with live-rw works for my setup but I don't think it will on yours because of conflicting mnt-all.
I don't like automount all at boot so mnt-all doesn't run on my setup.

Hi, Fred.
I confirm the script works. I will also include it in /opt/bin for now.

Adding sleep commands seems to work most of the times. Just from time to time it does not work. What works out of the box is using default xfce menu as in puppy account. Then on 128Mb machine it boots file without using your attached squashfs module. Tested with saving the change in live-rw after boot in puppy account and then in root to make the change.

I doubt someone else will use such low-ram hardware so adding sleep command should work fine for everyone.

Tested also installing and uninstalling some applications. All works well. I will test it more in the next days.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Apr 2014, 13:23    Post subject:  

Hi Toni
Thanks for testing!
Quote:
I confirm the script works. I will also include it in /opt/bin for now.


It does, but not perfect; when using the boot option "persistent-subtext=..." it doesn't work.
This option is btw not very intiutive IMO
I studied a bit more about live-rw-backing:
When you name for example a savefile "live-rw-x" it works with "persistent-subtext=x"
Changes will be saved fine then but to make it work locating which drive with my script there needs to be a directory: /live-rw-x-backing.
It would be nice if that would be created automatically but it doesn't.

Can you confirm also that the script conflicts with mnt-all?
I think specially when booting from the same drive as the live-rw is.
Because mnt-all creates a symlink from that drive to /live/image.

Quote:
I doubt someone else will use such low-ram hardware so adding sleep command should work fine for everyone.

Still I'd like to know what's the cause of your problem, can you try changing the whisker-menu to default menu for root and see what happens when rebooting.(I described how in earlier post)
I understand that you see a black desktop and only the clock on the right of panel (no systray) and there's nothing to do about it when moving mouse on systray, right?

If you have time of course in the next few days, no rush Smile

Fred
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