Muppylinux-004 (+ 005 for testing)
After searching the forum I saw that I had already reported this as a bug in "Puppy2" in February this year !!
See http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=6253
Barry acknowledged the error but I don't think it was ever resolved. At least not in that thread...
See http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=6253
Barry acknowledged the error but I don't think it was ever resolved. At least not in that thread...
Methinks Raspberry Pi were ideal for runnin' Puppy Linux
Ok, now I have tested 2.12beta on the problematic machine and I still get the bug "ext3 on /ext3" when I try to create pup_save.3fs on hda1 - so it has not been fixed...
If no one else has any ideas, I will try to find the bug tomorrow. I'm too tired to continue today.
Paul
If no one else has any ideas, I will try to find the bug tomorrow. I'm too tired to continue today.
Paul
Methinks Raspberry Pi were ideal for runnin' Puppy Linux
http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=6253
this is what I saw, it is your thread from february
ok, so we'll have to try to find a fix on our own.
I'm tired, too, maybe at weekend I'll have enough energy to search in the initscript /sbin/init in initrd.gz for the reason (that is a long script).
sleep well
Mark
this is what I saw, it is your thread from february
ok, so we'll have to try to find a fix on our own.
I'm tired, too, maybe at weekend I'll have enough energy to search in the initscript /sbin/init in initrd.gz for the reason (that is a long script).
sleep well
Mark
Who said "buy/sell" ???MU wrote:Thanks Bob, but I actually won't buy pieces just for tests.
I had a SCSI harddisk years ago, and it was very loud, so I would not use such a thing in a current PC.
Meanwhile 1 Gigabyte USB-sticks cost less than 20 Euro, so I will not start to fiddle around with SCSI.
If someone tells me:
"add this and that module to Muppy as I got my stuff working with it", then ok, I would do it, but I won't start tests on my own. My todo-list is too long for that
Mark
If someone would help with the shipping, I would donate stuff for the cause...
Like I said, it is older equipment, but very usable...
The only thing I see is that there are so many different makers of scsii controllers out there.
Wouldn't it be better to port/adapt some of the more common drivers for them???
Bob
Tray-opening now works, but NOT shutdown!
scsi : apparently not - please see the discussion, Mark. I had wondered whether the pseudo-generic Adaptec ASPI drivers used in 'doze would provide a suitable approach, but, according to Jesse(?) - not. DSL simply dumps all the individual drivers into its d/b.
I would be inclined to avoid ISA scsi cards now, but not 50w systems ("fast scsi II") on PCI. Although I can run scsi off ISA with DSL!
Everybody says what a nice guy Hr Klaus is - maybe you could phone him? Probably has been down this track already?
scsi : apparently not - please see the discussion, Mark. I had wondered whether the pseudo-generic Adaptec ASPI drivers used in 'doze would provide a suitable approach, but, according to Jesse(?) - not. DSL simply dumps all the individual drivers into its d/b.
I would be inclined to avoid ISA scsi cards now, but not 50w systems ("fast scsi II") on PCI. Although I can run scsi off ISA with DSL!
Everybody says what a nice guy Hr Klaus is - maybe you could phone him? Probably has been down this track already?
Mark, I found the bug in rc.shutdown that caused my problem.
Here are the details: http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?p=77327#77327
Paul
Here are the details: http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?p=77327#77327
Paul
Methinks Raspberry Pi were ideal for runnin' Puppy Linux
Thanks Paul
I updated the servicepack with that bugfix
http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Muppylinux/Mu ... cepack.pup
Sage:
In the forum it often is recommended, to run Puppy then with the option
puppy acpi=off
Does that work?
Mark
I updated the servicepack with that bugfix
http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Muppylinux/Mu ... cepack.pup
Sage:
Does it also happen with Puppy 2.11?However, it stopped at the word "shutdown" without switching off
In the forum it often is recommended, to run Puppy then with the option
puppy acpi=off
Does that work?
Mark
Sometimes with some machines. This has been an on-going issue since the switch to 2.6 with series2 - no problems with series1.
Neither is there any consistency. I have used acpi=force/on/off and edited the rc.local as well as using these as 'cheat codes' at start up.
I think lots of folks have this issue, but assumed that you had sorted it out once and for all !!
Neither is there any consistency. I have used acpi=force/on/off and edited the rc.local as well as using these as 'cheat codes' at start up.
I think lots of folks have this issue, but assumed that you had sorted it out once and for all !!
No, I added no new things to the shutdown-scripts, except:
This simply tries to eject the medium, where Muppy was booted from.
If it is a CD, it works (except the addon is mounted).
If it is a hdd it fails with an unimportant error-message of course.
So Muppy in general inherits all potential non-working issues from Puppy.
Mark
Code: Select all
#Muppy
Mpdev=`grep PDEV1 /etc/rc.d/PUPSTATE | sed -e "s/'$//" -e "s/^.*'//"`
eject /dev/$Mpdev
#Muppy end
If it is a CD, it works (except the addon is mounted).
If it is a hdd it fails with an unimportant error-message of course.
So Muppy in general inherits all potential non-working issues from Puppy.
Mark
there is no way for any distro or kernel to solve the problem ... various bios'es and hardware have various bugs which you may have to deal with ... this may require using kernel boot options like:
apm=on/off/power-off
apci=on/off/force
noapm
noapci
noapic
nolapic
nomce
what could be done, is to bypass or replace the bios ... there are projects that are working on doing just that
and there is nothing that the bios does that could not be done by the kernel, or a pre-kernel ... BSD tends to mostly ignore the bios ... as long as the bios can get it started, it has it's own pre-kernel bios programs (written partly in Forth) that does most of the work of the bios ... for example:
http://freebios.sourceforge.net/
http://www.openbios.info/
http://www.linuxbios.org/
apm=on/off/power-off
apci=on/off/force
noapm
noapci
noapic
nolapic
nomce
what could be done, is to bypass or replace the bios ... there are projects that are working on doing just that
and there is nothing that the bios does that could not be done by the kernel, or a pre-kernel ... BSD tends to mostly ignore the bios ... as long as the bios can get it started, it has it's own pre-kernel bios programs (written partly in Forth) that does most of the work of the bios ... for example:
http://freebios.sourceforge.net/
http://www.openbios.info/
http://www.linuxbios.org/
BIOS fiddling - now your talking my language. I can do all that stuff in my sleep. Got the utilities, too, so that all parameters can be intercepted! However....
It seems that different BIOS settings will be required for different OS? Why wasn't this a problem with the 2.4 kernel? It doesn't seem to happen with other distros?
It seems that different BIOS settings will be required for different OS? Why wasn't this a problem with the 2.4 kernel? It doesn't seem to happen with other distros?
This weekend I'm away, we celebrate 20 year highschool-day.
So here a list of what I'll try to add in the following weeks:
Roadmap
1.) - Gnome:
- Add Planner. (done 005)
- remove mixer-applett that causes only a error-message. (not done, can't find the entry)
- I'll remove /usr/lib/mozilla, that currently points to firefox. (done 005)
Instead, semonkey will be in the Iso again.
Reason: Some of Puppys programs or dotpups might rely on seamonkey.
This also allows to include Gnomes very fast webbrowser Epiphany.
I might choose seamonkey 1.0.5 if it provides compatible libraries.
This is optional, Firefox will stay the "defaultbrowser" (must slightly modify some scripts maybe).
2.) Add Bluefish 1.0.7 and kompoZer HTML-editors. (bluefish done 005)
3.) add german files for Gnome and other apps. (gnome done 005)
4.) Modify the Gtk-Themechooser to use other folders like the Xfce-themes from Dougal. Add those. Dougal wrote me more suggestions, must have a closer look then.
5.) Add a small wizard to configure some options for Icewm-ultra.
I think of adding subfolders to the autostart-folder for the traybuttons and the dock-wmapplets.
Related:
This would allow to switch Gnome/Xfce-taskbar on the fly in a cleaner way. It makes no sense to keep the taskbar running when using Gnome. Gnome conflicts with icewmtray.
So a Gnome-starter (Desktop-icon) would: (partially done 005)
kill xfce
start Gnome
start all traybuttons
When gnome is closed:
start again the xfce-taskbar
start again icewmtray
start again the traybuttons from autostart/traybuttons
6.) Try to add a option to create a swapfile.
I made a quickcheck on a ntfs-drive, but that puppy.swp was not recognized.
A forum/Wiki-search showed, this is a common problem.
Not shure, if it can be solved.
7.) I was asked via PM to add a Faq.
I replied, I'd prefer to add more points to the Muppy-Toolbox instead.
Not shure yet, what to add there.
8.) The cups-installer could be already extracted in the Iso.
9.) Add a small grafical wizard for my script mkkde to build KDE.
This might take a while.
10.) Use Puppy 2.12 as base. (done 005)
This requires some more slight modifications of my build-script.
When this is done, I will post it.
11.) make it easier to share a folder with Windows XP in a network (need that at work).
I was not able to do that quickly, I'm a newbee to samba or nfs.
I need a wizard to click 2-3 buttons for that.
I think Gliezl once guided me in programming such a tool, must have a look at that again
12.) add Rox 2.5 with a quick-switch to flip between 1.2 and 2.5. (done 005)
13.) remove redundant/obsolete .desktop-files (=XDG-menu-entries) and add german translations in them.
14.) add nvidia-drivers to 3DCC. Received a Gt2 as donation today. Thanks Bob!
15.) Bob offered to send SCSI-hardware.
We need a donation to cover the postage (I think 10-15 US$).
If there is interest, that I try to add drivers to Muppy, please donate the porto, see http://dotpups.de for a paypal-button (**edit** donation solved, thanks snowdog!).
I can however not guarantee success!
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Not every point might be in the next iso already.
I plan the next to be released in 2-4 weeks.
The roadmap might be finished in 2 month.
Unless Puppy 2.12 is used, an uppdate for Muppy004 might be available to avoid you have to download 200 MB again.
Further suggestions are welcome.
Artie already wrote some via PM, I'll have a look again. Thanks Artie.
I prefer suggestions in the Forum in general, so that I find them again quicker, and so that others can comment them
Mark
So here a list of what I'll try to add in the following weeks:
Roadmap
1.) - Gnome:
- Add Planner. (done 005)
- remove mixer-applett that causes only a error-message. (not done, can't find the entry)
- I'll remove /usr/lib/mozilla, that currently points to firefox. (done 005)
Instead, semonkey will be in the Iso again.
Reason: Some of Puppys programs or dotpups might rely on seamonkey.
This also allows to include Gnomes very fast webbrowser Epiphany.
I might choose seamonkey 1.0.5 if it provides compatible libraries.
This is optional, Firefox will stay the "defaultbrowser" (must slightly modify some scripts maybe).
2.) Add Bluefish 1.0.7 and kompoZer HTML-editors. (bluefish done 005)
3.) add german files for Gnome and other apps. (gnome done 005)
4.) Modify the Gtk-Themechooser to use other folders like the Xfce-themes from Dougal. Add those. Dougal wrote me more suggestions, must have a closer look then.
5.) Add a small wizard to configure some options for Icewm-ultra.
I think of adding subfolders to the autostart-folder for the traybuttons and the dock-wmapplets.
Related:
This would allow to switch Gnome/Xfce-taskbar on the fly in a cleaner way. It makes no sense to keep the taskbar running when using Gnome. Gnome conflicts with icewmtray.
So a Gnome-starter (Desktop-icon) would: (partially done 005)
kill xfce
start Gnome
start all traybuttons
When gnome is closed:
start again the xfce-taskbar
start again icewmtray
start again the traybuttons from autostart/traybuttons
6.) Try to add a option to create a swapfile.
I made a quickcheck on a ntfs-drive, but that puppy.swp was not recognized.
A forum/Wiki-search showed, this is a common problem.
Not shure, if it can be solved.
7.) I was asked via PM to add a Faq.
I replied, I'd prefer to add more points to the Muppy-Toolbox instead.
Not shure yet, what to add there.
8.) The cups-installer could be already extracted in the Iso.
9.) Add a small grafical wizard for my script mkkde to build KDE.
This might take a while.
10.) Use Puppy 2.12 as base. (done 005)
This requires some more slight modifications of my build-script.
When this is done, I will post it.
11.) make it easier to share a folder with Windows XP in a network (need that at work).
I was not able to do that quickly, I'm a newbee to samba or nfs.
I need a wizard to click 2-3 buttons for that.
I think Gliezl once guided me in programming such a tool, must have a look at that again
12.) add Rox 2.5 with a quick-switch to flip between 1.2 and 2.5. (done 005)
13.) remove redundant/obsolete .desktop-files (=XDG-menu-entries) and add german translations in them.
14.) add nvidia-drivers to 3DCC. Received a Gt2 as donation today. Thanks Bob!
15.) Bob offered to send SCSI-hardware.
We need a donation to cover the postage (I think 10-15 US$).
If there is interest, that I try to add drivers to Muppy, please donate the porto, see http://dotpups.de for a paypal-button (**edit** donation solved, thanks snowdog!).
I can however not guarantee success!
-----------
Not every point might be in the next iso already.
I plan the next to be released in 2-4 weeks.
The roadmap might be finished in 2 month.
Unless Puppy 2.12 is used, an uppdate for Muppy004 might be available to avoid you have to download 200 MB again.
Further suggestions are welcome.
Artie already wrote some via PM, I'll have a look again. Thanks Artie.
I prefer suggestions in the Forum in general, so that I find them again quicker, and so that others can comment them
Mark
Last edited by MU on Sun 26 Nov 2006, 12:13, edited 3 times in total.
re: >We need a donation to cover the postage (I think 10-15 US$).
Check your paypal account Mark.
I don't use scsi much myself, but I really appreciate all your efforts in other areas.
Cheers
Check your paypal account Mark.
I don't use scsi much myself, but I really appreciate all your efforts in other areas.
Cheers
If you find my posts helpful and you want to say thanks, please consider clicking the www button under my posts to visit my website.
My pleasure Mark.
If shipping wasn't so insane, I'd send you so many presents you'd still be testing hardware this time next year.
But then, you wouldn't get anything done with muppy, so it's probably a good thing I can't.
I can't say if your paypal button works or not... it does go to what looks like the right kinda page, but I couldn't understand any of it (because I don't read German), so I just sent it from our paypal account instead.
P.S.
I'm working on getting Muppy downloaded, should have it done by tomorrow. I'll send reports in to you for whatever hardware I have a chance to run it on.
Cheers
If shipping wasn't so insane, I'd send you so many presents you'd still be testing hardware this time next year.
But then, you wouldn't get anything done with muppy, so it's probably a good thing I can't.
I can't say if your paypal button works or not... it does go to what looks like the right kinda page, but I couldn't understand any of it (because I don't read German), so I just sent it from our paypal account instead.
P.S.
I'm working on getting Muppy downloaded, should have it done by tomorrow. I'll send reports in to you for whatever hardware I have a chance to run it on.
Cheers
If you find my posts helpful and you want to say thanks, please consider clicking the www button under my posts to visit my website.
I've uploaded Muppy-005-212.iso to http://puptrix.org/isos/
http://puptrix.org/isos/Muppy-005-212.iso (237 MB)
http://puptrix.org/isos/Muppy-005-212.iso.md5.txt
Servicepack for german utf8-support:
http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Muppylinux/Mu ... cepack.pup (55 kb)
Changes:
- based on Puppy 2.12
- includes GuestToos servicepack for 2.12
- taskbar of Gnome should work now, fixed and optimized the startscript.
- uses Rox 2.5 by default, because that supports german äöü.
If you prefer Rox 1.2 from Puppy 2.12, run "setrox1" in a consolewindow.
"setrox2" to use 2.5 again.
It seems there are some problems with the backgroundpicture after the first start, so a servicepack might follow in the next days. Will try to add "xrefresh" to redraw the desktop.
Also Rox 1.2 has better support for file-types, I did not adapt the mime-types yet for 2.5.
- added Gant-project (Java), Planner(Gnome), wxWeekdaynotes (wxBasic)
- added german locale for Gant-project, Planner, Rox 2.5, Gnome, Nautilus, Epiphany, bluefish
- re-added Seamonkey with mail and HTML-Editor. It is in the included addon, so by default still Firefox and sylpheed are used.
- added Gnomes webbrowser "epiphany", that uses the seamonkey libraries.
- added Bluefish 107, but forgot a startscript in /usr/local/bin/ so you'll see no menu-entry.
Will add a servicepack tomorrow.
- modified the startup-files, in 004 the "dialog" did not work on every computer.
It was run from /etc/rc.d/, now it runs from /usr/X11R7/bin/xwin.
- replaced xinit with a script, that starts "dbus" if available (addon). Required for epiphany.
- added undeb, unrpm with rpm4.2-libs
... stuff and fixes ...
important
You might need to start with a new pup_save.3fs, because I had to modify the startscripts.
I might fix that with a new servicepack, that overwrites the files from the servicepack for Muppy004 with the new ones.
Else the new files will be ignored, as the files installed from the dotpup get higher priority from unionfs.
Propriatary Ati-driver is not available yet (but the free ones are included). Must compile that one tomorrow.
Nvidia-drivers are planned for Muppy006, tempestous compiled them already, and I was sent a card that I have not built into my computer yet.
Mark
http://puptrix.org/isos/Muppy-005-212.iso (237 MB)
http://puptrix.org/isos/Muppy-005-212.iso.md5.txt
Servicepack for german utf8-support:
http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Muppylinux/Mu ... cepack.pup (55 kb)
Changes:
- based on Puppy 2.12
- includes GuestToos servicepack for 2.12
- taskbar of Gnome should work now, fixed and optimized the startscript.
- uses Rox 2.5 by default, because that supports german äöü.
If you prefer Rox 1.2 from Puppy 2.12, run "setrox1" in a consolewindow.
"setrox2" to use 2.5 again.
It seems there are some problems with the backgroundpicture after the first start, so a servicepack might follow in the next days. Will try to add "xrefresh" to redraw the desktop.
Also Rox 1.2 has better support for file-types, I did not adapt the mime-types yet for 2.5.
- added Gant-project (Java), Planner(Gnome), wxWeekdaynotes (wxBasic)
- added german locale for Gant-project, Planner, Rox 2.5, Gnome, Nautilus, Epiphany, bluefish
- re-added Seamonkey with mail and HTML-Editor. It is in the included addon, so by default still Firefox and sylpheed are used.
- added Gnomes webbrowser "epiphany", that uses the seamonkey libraries.
- added Bluefish 107, but forgot a startscript in /usr/local/bin/ so you'll see no menu-entry.
Will add a servicepack tomorrow.
- modified the startup-files, in 004 the "dialog" did not work on every computer.
It was run from /etc/rc.d/, now it runs from /usr/X11R7/bin/xwin.
- replaced xinit with a script, that starts "dbus" if available (addon). Required for epiphany.
- added undeb, unrpm with rpm4.2-libs
... stuff and fixes ...
important
You might need to start with a new pup_save.3fs, because I had to modify the startscripts.
I might fix that with a new servicepack, that overwrites the files from the servicepack for Muppy004 with the new ones.
Else the new files will be ignored, as the files installed from the dotpup get higher priority from unionfs.
Propriatary Ati-driver is not available yet (but the free ones are included). Must compile that one tomorrow.
Nvidia-drivers are planned for Muppy006, tempestous compiled them already, and I was sent a card that I have not built into my computer yet.
Mark
Last edited by MU on Tue 28 Nov 2006, 14:16, edited 1 time in total.