Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

CatmanDru · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 91 Location: OR, USA

I'm sure there are many pro's and con's regarding Castillian vs Latin American, however having two Spanish varieties may be too divisive for Spanish Puppy at this point. I'm in favor of using Spanish that approaches a non-regional Spanish that would be generally understood by most Spanish speakers, and if it wasn't easily understood, then readers could consult the REA. I'm in favor of Spanish translators and readers deferring to the REA much as English writers and readers defer to the Oxford English Dictionary as a central authority.

It seems to me that in both Spanish and English the use of 'educated or formal' language, and the avoidance of regionalisms, ideoms (figures of speech), and slang produces a nearly non-regional language.

iwigo · Joined: 08 Nov 2006 Posts: 63 Location: Burgos, Spain

Hello, im from Spain and i also speak English so i want to help in this project. Tell me what to do and i will do it.
Thanks

GuestToo · Puppy Master Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 4078

well, if anyone would like to translate my dotpup handler script, i just uploaded the .po file

de and fr are already done

http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=12541
http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=12540

wow · Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 950

Apparently there are more people interested in this project, but we are not organized yet, and if we continue this way we will not manage to advance in this. So, last monday I began to translate part of the software that not supports files .mo, they are the majority of utilities and wizards. Also, I'm looking for .mo files for the software included in Puppy 2.11(maybe 2.12), till now I have the translations for: Gaim, Leafpad, Xdialog, Make, gcc-3.3, gcc-3.4, xmms and the spanish version of firefox 2.0, though I do not know if I should include firefox, or only add the language packages for Seamokey. I would like that you suggest names for the icons of the pinboard, I have many doubts with this. (trash=Papelera de reciclaje/Basura?; home=home?/inicio?/etc)
If everything is ok I will have a .sfs for testing at the weekend.
What is absent now is to translate the documentation, work with the wiki and the add locales for the rest of applications.

Thanks and regards.

sintot · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 57 Location: Madrid

Hi:
I have also the mo files for geany, gqview, gftp , gslapt, slapt-get, LinNeighborHood, sweep and xfe.

I have downloaded mtpaint, but it's not working, the same as inkscapelite (but I rememeber inkscape did work)

wow, I can upload them here and you can include it in your sfs

rarsa · Posted: Thu 09 Nov 2006, 11:54 Post subject:

There are several things that can be done:

1. I'd recommend only translating utilities and wizards that have been addapted to use "getttext". If the text gets translated inside the script maintenance will be a nightmare and will always be out of sync. To translate the wizards and utilities we have to coordinate closelly with Barry so we don't end up translating old versions.

2. Collect all the .mo files for known applications in a common repository. I don't think the forum is the appropriate repository.

Currently there are several repositories available:
- My recommendation would be to use the subversion repository. It is the best way to make sure we are in sync and to coordinate the work from multiple people as it tracks versions, changes, contributors, etc.

I can grant write access to the people that require it. Every body currently has read access.

- Alternativelly we could use any of the ftp sites donated by members.
The one I regularly use is the space donated by GermanPup.
MU, klhrevolutionary and some other people have also offered hosting space.

CatmanDru · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 91 Location: OR, USA

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wjaguar · Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 182

mtPaint 3.02 has up-to-date Spanish translation, and other translations, while incomplete, also are somewhat improved. If an older version is used in Puppy, I suggest switching to 3.02 - version 3.10 is in alpha stage still. and won't be released very soon.

CatmanDru · Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 91 Location: OR, USA

Maybe others already know this, but Debian and Ubuntu have Spanish translation sections and one thing they do is list possible words as translation candidates/choices. In my opinion, it seems reasonable, wise, and time-efficient to take guidance from the work they have already done, rather than start all over and decide those issues on our own, at least at this point. This would also produce some translation similarities and continuity in Puppy for users who are familiar with another distro.

Another, related, issue is the possible need for an accepted list of terms to be used in all of puppy. A concern is that applications, desktop, wiki, and documentation all refer to items by either 1) the same term, or 2) the two or three terms that may be used. Problems and confusion may be caused if the wiki says "click on home", but the desktop only has an icon that says "inicio", and an aplication calls the button something else. A workaround may be -- where space allows -- to state "click on the 'home or inicio' button".

Producing a list of accepted terms may not be too difficult. Most terms are easy; only a few are difficult or problematic. An alternative option is that Puppy could adopt a list from another distro. What do people think about this?

I vote for 'inicio' ('beginning' or 'starting point'). I have problems with the term (I would prefer 'hogar' = 'home'), but other distros use 'inicio' and at least it's in Spanish. People with limited education (6th grade?), and Non-English speaking 'Grandma Nontechie' will understand 'inicio' better than 'home'.

I think both 'trash' and 'basura' are good because they are short, but they don't hint at the recycling function of the button, therefore they are not very intuitive. 'Papelera de reciclaje' ('paper bin for recycling') is very explanatory but maybe long. Also the RAE seems to prefer 'reciclamiento' instead of 'reciclaje'. That would makes the term longer: 'Papelera de Reciclamiento', but if it's not too long, then it might be the best, because it is the most accurate, precise, and intuitive.

If a shorter option is needed how about just 'reciclar' (recycle) or 'reciclamiento' (recycling)?

wow · Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 950

wow · Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 950

About standard spanish names for desktop icons KDE has these:

(snapshot from my currently puppy 109CE + spanish KDE)

Some problems related to accentuation:

With accents

Without

Temporal solution: do not use accentuation Sad

More screenshots:

1. Seamonkey 1.0.5 and JWMmenu
2. Spanish Rox showing keyboard shortcuts and pinboard
3. Abiword, Gnumeric, Gaim, Leafpad and X Server Chooser Wizard

GuestToo · Puppy Master Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 4078

try saving the script using utf-8 encoding

i had to put this line in my dotpup script to get it to display utf-8 characters:

export OUTPUT_CHARSET="utf-8"

sintot · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 57 Location: Madrid

wjaguar · Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 182

wow · Joined: 29 Jun 2006 Posts: 950