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musher0 · Last edited by musher0 on Tue 13 May 2014, 05:56; edited 2 times in total

Note, 2014-05-13 -- I removed the "solved" mention I had put in the title, because uses for
this lib are still being discovered.
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Hi.

As the title says. It seems to have been in the Precise series from version 5.4.3 on.
Maybe earlier?

I entered some pics in evidence Smile

at:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=774769&sort=lastpost#774769

Thanks in advance for any insight. BFN.

musher0

starhawk · Posted: Thu 01 May 2014, 15:43 Post subject:

This might provide some useful information...

http://llvm.org/

mikeb · Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 11254

Are you suggesting puppy has become a fat pile of bollocks with the help of ubuntu?

mike

musher0 · Posted: Thu 01 May 2014, 17:39 Post subject:

@starhawk
Sure. There's also the explanation at the Linux from Scratch site. I've been running
this Puppy Precise 5.7.1 without it for the past 24 hours, and it isn't crashing. So...
what's the point in including this fatso library if it's not needed in regular day-to-day
Puppy-ing?

Putting my question another way: is there any program or utility in the daily operations of
a Puppy that needs live compiling? If so, ok, let's leave the fatso in. Otherwise, out it
goes!

In the docs you mention, it says that's it's a better, faster compiler than gcc. So the
question now becomes: why is it not in the devx instead? And if what the authors say is
true, why do we have both gcc and LLVM in the Puppy?

@mikeb.
Yeah, I am! Twisted Evil

Remove it and you gain +/- 12 Mg in the iso.

BFN.

musher0

mikeb · Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 11254

libsambaclient seemed another fat dinosaur (samba no longer uses it I believe)... but its linked to mplayer (or was) a recompile got rid of that one saving 5MB+

mike

shinobar · Joined: 28 May 2009 Posts: 2674 Location: Japan

Precise Puppy 571JP (Japanese edition) removes this with the nouveau and some drivers. Instead, optional nvidia drivers are available at
http://shino.pos.to/party/bridge.cgi?puppy/opt/pup5/precise/.

# ls -1 /usr/lib/dri/*.so | while read F;do ldd $F | grep -q libLLVM && echo $F; done
/usr/lib/dri/nouveau_dri.so
/usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so
/usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so
/usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so

See also:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=76961&start=137
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=76961&start=150

musher0 · Posted: Thu 01 May 2014, 21:18 Post subject:

Haha, the cat is coming out of the bag! Twisted Evil

Thanks, mikeb; thanks, shinobar!

gcmartin · Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 6730 Location: Earth

REMOVE by me. Probably would have been taken wrongly in substance.

technosaurus · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 4854 Location: Blue Springs, MO

llvm can be used by various programs to provide JIT compilation of scripted languages (similar to the difference between python's .py and .pyo files) Lightspark uses it for actionscript3, some webkit variant was using it for javascript JIT, vmkit is an llvm base java engine

btw libICU can be configured to compile down to <1/2Mb

musher0 · Posted: Fri 09 May 2014, 12:12 Post subject:

Ibidem · Joined: 25 May 2010 Posts: 553 Location: State of Jefferson

Most FOSS OpenGL drivers use LLVM in the backend, to compile shaders and so on.

musher0 · Posted: Tue 13 May 2014, 05:50 Post subject:

Thanks, Ibidem.

It is also needed by abiword and gnumeric, at least those versions used in pemasu's
UpupRaring-3.9.9.2. Otherwise, the gtk theme is not used, and those programs appear
with black context and white characters only.

In gnumeric, it is particularly serious. If the libLLVM library is not present, templates and
sheets become unreadable, because the fg and bg both are shades of dark grey, and the
function to select the fg color (for the characters and digits) and the bg color (for the
background of the sheet) is inoperative.

BFN.

musher0

mikeb · Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 11254

Is it me or does all this sound like utter geekoid crap.......

'compiler needs including for video drivers and gtk.... '

this gets funnier by the week.....

sprout farming has its appeal too

mike

mikeb · Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 11254

Oh yes I remember now...in slax 7 there was this terrible gtk theme...it made everything laggy and and ultimately unuseable...I wonder if thats the one in question... not an easy bitch to remove either...more use it or else strong arm stuff...

is the ultimate aim of linux devs to make a system thats so unuseable that microsoft would be proud and yet killing themselves laughing at the same time ?

Mike

musher0 · Posted: Tue 13 May 2014, 11:59 Post subject:

Hey, ho, don't shoot me !! I'm only the one who spotted the fatso!!

My hunch is that it's used to theme gtk-3 programs running on an gtk-2 system.