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Puppus Dogfellow


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PostPosted: Mon 26 May 2014, 04:42    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
Hello, all.

Please find attached my most recent take on this.
Like the versions above, it requires aemenu.

Enjoy!

musher0


working pretty well in precise 5.5 and reasonably well in 5.7.1. thanks (again) for this, musher0. (i edited my original because sometimes it just ignores me).
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PostPosted: Tue 27 May 2014, 07:32    Post subject:  

Hi, Puppus_D.

When you have a minute, would you care to expand on the difference(s) between "pretty
well" and "reasonably well"? Smile I'm a bit confused, here... Smile

Thanks in advance.

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PostPosted: Tue 27 May 2014, 18:41    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
Hi, Puppus_D.

When you have a minute, would you care to expand on the difference(s) between "pretty
well" and "reasonably well"? Smile I'm a bit confused, here... Smile

Thanks in advance.

musher0


sure, musher.

as you know, edits don't register on this forum unless a subsequent post has been made. the progression went like this:

working very well in 5.5 and 5.7.

i kept hammering at it, just because i thought it was cool. a little bit of non response from the 571 machine changed it to pretty well/very well or something similar.

after a while, i noticed that the 5.5 machine also took to ignoring me at times. it still seemed cool to me and i reasoned it was better to have than not have so...

pretty well/reasonably well.

there was no statistical analysis done to see which was performing better or more consistently, either with regards to an accurate list or the snapping to the item selected from it, nor was there an attempt to impart a quantifiable/qualitative difference with the terms. it was just the easiest way to edit it at the time.

at the very least, the script answers important questions like "what the hell was i just doing?" and "where was that freaking thing?"

sometimes i leave machines alone for days at a time...and sometimes the information is handy just seconds after i close a document, so... it's not empty praise. it's a pretty cool thing you've done here. i'm reasonably happy with it.


hope that helped. Laughing

ps: i realize that my chuckling over this is no real indication that it's actually funny.

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PostPosted: Tue 27 May 2014, 21:59    Post subject:  

Thanks for the clarification! Cool

As to your last sentence, I'd comment that laughter is a natural anti-depressant.
So I guess you have to chuckle twice to get the benefits of one hearty laugh.
(NOT! Just kidding!) Laughing

BFN.

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PostPosted: Tue 27 May 2014, 22:25    Post subject:  

BTW, I never had to wait for another post to be written to validate edits. Strange...
Perhaps your return key is sticky, or something?

May I suggest that you ask Flash about this? He knows the regular behavior of the forum
software through and through, and he will certainly be able to confirm or rectify your impressions.

BFN.

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PostPosted: Tue 27 May 2014, 23:46    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
BTW, I never had to wait for another post to be written to validate edits. Strange...
Perhaps your return key is sticky, or something?

May I suggest that you ask Flash about this? He knows the regular behavior of the forum
software through and through, and he will certainly be able to confirm or rectify your impressions.

BFN.


validate edits? i think you've misunderstood me. though it was edited twice, because i was the only one posting in the thread, the edits didn't show up with a little notation like "edited two times total" as you sometimes see on this forum. had someone posted after me, it would have. the forum treats it as the original post because it is still the post of record, so to speak.

isn't that how it works for you? if you respond to this post and no one else does, you can just continue to add or edit (like i do with some of those ridiculously long repo posts i've got) and those changes would show up with no notation, as if you were editing your original post in the reply box. were someone to post after you, perhaps referencing something now subject to change or omission, the edits would be recorded, which makes sense to me: if someone is discussing something that has changed, it would then be more obvious to any who were reading the thread.

but maybe i'm misunderstanding you--"validate edits" doesn't really mean anything to me as a phrase. you edit or you don't and you can see your changes or you can't. i can edit and see that i've done so the site's software appears to be working fine from where i sit.

whether or not this is normal behavior for most forums, i do not know. i only post in two forums really, and the other registers each edit with a notation once 90 seconds are up. i can remember hearing it wasn't always like that--because people were going out of their way to reedit stuff to make others look ridiculous, the admins changed the default behavior. this is a more benign crowd and the content is frequently more complicated; i always figured it was just a chance to get one's s. together. it also doesn't seem like particularly relevant information unless a subsequent post has been made.
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PostPosted: Wed 28 May 2014, 00:21    Post subject:  

Testing Edit a few example.
I use FF latest in case that is important to the test
First post for the test

Sorry this is a first Edit the one I edit is the original now being edit first time.

I saw nothing aboutho many times that I have edit.
This the second edit then? or should it be seen as third?
Still no notice about how many times o maybe you are right?
I make a new post and pretend to be someone else???
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PostPosted: Wed 28 May 2014, 00:27    Post subject:  

Old Nooby pretending to be a new commentator posting.
Let me look for any sign of forum software knowing such?
Edit of this one. I have no clue on where to look maybe
or one really have to be another username. Flash will know.

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PostPosted: Wed 28 May 2014, 00:38    Post subject:  

nooby, go back and edit the first of your two posts now and see if it gives you the message that it's been edited. (that's what you're talking about, right? now that i've posted, it should also work that way for your second post.)
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PostPosted: Wed 28 May 2014, 12:08    Post subject:  

Hi, guys!

@nooby: Good to see you again! Smile

@Puppus_D.:
Ah, I see. You mean the little message at the bottom of the post that is sometimes
there after an edit. I thought that that little phrase only appeared when the initiator of
a thread edited his/her first post, so it never worried me too much, since I always have
other fish to fry! Smile Besides, I'm a bit of a maniac, I edit myself a lot, so the number
indicated would be hair-raising at times!

BFN.

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Jun 2014, 00:46    Post subject:  

no response form the script's pop up list on precise 5.6.1 (been a while since i've checked; don't recall it being this broken).
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PostPosted: Mon 09 Jun 2014, 01:07    Post subject:  

Puppus Dogfellow wrote:
no response form the script's pop up list on precise 5.6.1 (been a while since i've checked; don't recall it being this broken).


Chucks, now I have to install Precise 5.6.1 to test it. Confused What seems to be
wrong with it? No response... at all?

Maybe a segmentation fault ? Or somebody played with the script ?

Ah, I remember now, isn't that the Puppy Precise that started burying the
/recently-used.xbel file the script uses in /root/.local/share? If so, just bring that file back as a link in /root, and retry?

Please also check if you have a file named .gtkrc.mine in /root with this
line at the very top:
Code:
gtk-recent-files-max-age = 15

Or if that number is 0, obviously, the script will process zero files...

Keep me posted?

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PostPosted: Mon 09 Jun 2014, 07:00    Post subject:  

musher0 wrote:
Puppus Dogfellow wrote:
no response form the script's pop up list on precise 5.6.1 (been a while since i've checked; don't recall it being this broken).


Chucks, now I have to install Precise 5.6.1 to test it. Confused What seems to be
wrong with it? No response... at all?

Maybe a segmentation fault ? Or somebody played with the script ?

Ah, I remember now, isn't that the Puppy Precise that started burying the
/recently-used.xbel file the script uses in /root/.local/share? If so, just bring that file back as a link in /root, and retry?

Please also check if you have a file named .gtkrc.mine in /root with this
line at the very top:
Code:
gtk-recent-files-max-age = 15

Or if that number is 0, obviously, the script will process zero files...

Keep me posted?

BFN.


of course i'll keep you posted:

both things you mentioned have been fixed (absolute and relative link both tried for the first; "gtk-recent-files-max-age = 15" added as the first line in .gtkrc.mine for the second) but still no response from the a click on the list.
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jun 2014, 16:40    Post subject:  

Hi, Puppus_D.

Just a word to let you know that "I'm on it" ! Smile

I did a couple of hours worth of research on the recentlyused.xbel file.
Problem is, everybody seems to want to cancel it, whereas I want to
improve it! People see the recently-used file as an encroachment on their
privacy; I see it as an accelerator, as help getting to re-run a file fast.
Oh, well, here I go counter-current again!!! (What else is new?!)

I also subjected my MRUD script to some more tests. (Poor thing...) Smile

The best solution seems to go back to using ROX's launching capacity and
forget about BK's "defaulthandler". The latter works by detecting file
endings, which is ok, but limited: some files -- of all types, BTW -- don't
have an ending. So the script will at time look like it doesn't work -- and
the user will think: "this musher guy doesn't know how to script." Right.
It's not me, I swear! Smile At least I'm trying very hard for it not to be me!
Anyway.

I realized a couple of things:
* if you have scripts listed in your "X-Belle" Smile file, ROX may indeed
launch them, but they may not appear to be launched because they may
have had an extra parameter in the initial run -- an extra setting that our
"Belle" doesn't catch. The classic case of the "pretty girl who can only give
what she's got", as the French proverb goes. (Feminists will surely get on
my back for this...) Smile

* Besides URL addresses not being "caught" by our "Belle"...
(Médor from the French side of the forum did bring it to my attention and
I checked, and it seems that our "Belle" stops at the door, so to speak, of
any browser. Of course, browsers usually maintain their own history file,
so there's no damage, really.)

... it seems that our "Belle" is camera-shy? She's not listing pictures, as
I'm discovering now. Could she be prudish?! Very Happy -- Can anybody help me
confirm this? Thanks in advance. (Note: Downloaded pictures are
registered in the list, but not the ones you load in, say, mtpaint.)

I know that mtpaint for ex. has its own history file, but I think that it
would help the user have an overview of what (s)he's done, I think, to at
least have a flag saying something like "picture" in the xbel file, or maybe
only the name of the picture program. That would implicitly tell the user:
you also processed or looked at pictures with program Z.

The same would be nice indicating that a browser was launched, so the
user can go see the browser's history file.

Incidentally, I'm conducting these tests in a nice variant of PPrecise 5.4.3,
http://www.canbike.ca/off-topic/linux/puppy-can-bike-5-4-3.html
and the script works fine in it. What the hell is wrong with Precise 5.6?
Here's another proverb: "God knows why, but the devil's got a hunch..."

In short, I need some more input by users before I can release a new
version in the wild. Thanks in advance.

TWYL.

musher0

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jun 2014, 20:27    Post subject:  

Hello again, people !

Here is a draft of the edited script.

This one screens the xbel list, also opera's global history and mtpaint's history.

Depending on your "keep file history" setting in ~/.gtkrc.mine, you'll get
+/- 12 regular files, 4 URLs and 4 pics in the list.

The script is at the bottom of this post. As you'll notice, I do need help
with translating the "erase" and "edit" strings in about a dozen European
languages... Any volunteers? Thanks in advance.


Other changes:
* rox launches the regular files and programs instead of Barry's launcher.
* defaultbrowser (opera) will display the URLs
* defaultimageeditor (mtpaint) will display the pics.

I looked up how the mozilla family of browsers save their history, and it's
in sql database language. Calling that cavalry seemed a bit much for a
simple script such as this, so l've limited the choice to opera. Any other
browser that stores its history in +/- plain text format could be added for
a later version.

I used mtpaint's history because it's default on all Puppies. If someone
knows that Gimp, for ex., (or any other image editor) stores its history in
a +/- plain text file, then we could use that as well.

Finally, if a text file doesn't show up in the editor, it may be that you have
changed its attributes to "executable" by accident. Happened to me (a
case of cobbler's son, I suppose...) So check that out before
complaining? Smile

I must say I'm happy that I was able to find a way to add to this "recent
documents" list some entries that Miss X. Belle didn't have. It's not
perfect, but it a breakthrough, in the sense that we now know where to
look and how to do it.

A screen capture is attached. Any constructive criticism is welcome.

Enjoy!

musher0
~~~~~~~
Code:
#!/bin/sh
# ~/my-applications/ae/MRUD-lst.sh
#
# Réf./Ref. : openbox.org/wiki/Openbox:Pipemenus:recentfilesxbel
# Merci au groupe openbox et à stu91 du forum Puppy pour le tuyau.
#
# Adapté(ed) par / by musher0 pour / for aemenu, fin /end of oct. - début /beg. of nov. 2012
# Rév. : 15 oct. 2013, 16 nov. 2013 (MRUD-lst.sh, v. 0.3)
# Rév. : 11 juin / June 2014 (v.0.4)
#
# Dé(e)penda(e)nc(i)es : aemenu, replaceit et un fichier ~/.local/share/recently-used.xbel ou ~/.recently-used.xbel
#
# Other / Autres : opera & mtpaint
# Will work without those two, but warnings will appear. /
# Va fonctionner sans, mais des avertissements s'afficheront.

####

# Préparation pour aemenu
export AEM="/root/my-applications/ae"
[ ! -d $AEM ] && mkdir $AEM
# pour .recently-used.xbel
[ ! -f /root/.recently-used.xbel ] && ln -s /root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel /root/.recently-used.xbel
# Langues (pour le titre)
case ${LANG%_*} in
    ca) DOCREC="Documents recents"
       EFF="Erase this list"
      EDT="Edit this menu";;
    en) DOCREC="Recent Documents"
      EFF="Erase this list"
      EDT="Edit this menu";;
    es) DOCREC="Documentos recientes"
       EFF="Erase this list"
      EDT="Edit this menu";;
    fi) DOCREC="Viimeisimmät tiedostot"
       EFF="Erase this list"
      EDT="Edit this menu";;
    fr) DOCREC="Documents récents"
      EFF="Effacer la liste"
      EDT="Éditer ce menu";;
#    gr) DOCREC="Πρόσφατα Έγγραφα"
# Désactivé car il faudrait aussi traiter les accents en grec (ci-dessous).
    it) DOCREC="Documenti recenti"
       EFF="Erase this list"
      EDT="Edit this menu";;
    pl) DOCREC="Ostatnie dokumenty"
       EFF="Erase this list"
      EDT="Edit this menu";;
    pt) DOCREC="Documentos recentes"
       EFF="Erase this list"
      EDT="Edit this menu";;
    ro) DOCREC="Documente recente"
       EFF="Erase this list"
      EDT="Edit this menu";;
esac
> $AEM/recents
echo "-wide config file for aewm clients" >> $AEM/recents
echo "# aemenu pour MRUD-lst.sh" >> $AEM/recents
echo >> $AEM/recents
echo "cmd \"`date '+    %a. %d %b., %R'`\" \"/root/my-applications/bin/hic-et-nunc.sh\"" >> $AEM/recents
echo "cmd \"> $DOCREC <\" \"\"" >> $AEM/recents
echo "cmd \"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\" \"\"" >> $AEM/recents

# Coeur du script d'origine # Merci au groupe openbox (cf ci-dessus).
cat ~/.recently-used.xbel | grep file:/// | tail -n15 | cut -d "\"" -f 2 > $AEM/MRUD.lst
# J'ai enlevé : "| tac" de l'original. # m0

# Adaptation pour lancement avec les types "mime" de rox
# ou le defaultlauncher de Puppy, plutôt qu'avec xdg-open
R="replaceit --input=$AEM/MRUD.lst"
$R "file:///" "/"
$R "/initrd/mnt/dev_save" "/mnt/home"
# Code html
$R "&amp;" "&"
$R "&apos;" "'"

# The following lines to translate UTF-8 XML code to regular accented characters;
# you may comment these lines if you are using only English.
# Traduction du codage XML pour les accents.
$R "%C2%A0" " "
$R "%C2%A1" "¡"
$R "%C2%A2" "¢"
$R "%C2%A3" "£"
$R "%C2%A4" "¤"
$R "%C2%A5" "¥"
$R "%C2%A6" "¦"
$R "%C2%A7" "§"
$R "%C2%A8" "¨"
$R "%C2%A9" "©"
$R "%C2%AA" "ª"
$R "%C2%AB" "«"
$R "%C2%AC" "¬"
$R "%C2%AD" " "
$R "%C2%AE" "®"
$R "%C2%AF" "¯"
$R "%C2%B0" "°"
$R "%C2%B1" "±"
$R "%C2%B2" "²"
$R "%C2%B3" "³"
$R "%C2%B4" "´"
$R "%C2%B5" "µ"
$R "%C2%B6" "¶"
$R "%C2%B7" "·"
$R "%C2%B8" "¸"
$R "%C2%B9" "¹"
$R "%C2%BA" "º"
$R "%C2%BB" "»"
$R "%C2%BC" "¼"
$R "%C2%BD" "½"
$R "%C2%BE" "¾"
$R "%C2%BF" "¿"
$R "%C3%80" "À"
$R "%C3%81" "Á"
$R "%C3%82" "Â"
$R "%C3%83" "Ã"
$R "%C3%84" "Ä"
$R "%C3%85" "Å"
$R "%C3%86" "Æ"
$R "%C3%87" "Ç"
$R "%C3%88" "È"
$R "%C3%89" "É"
$R "%C3%8A" "Ê"
$R "%C3%8B" "Ë"
$R "%C3%8C" "Ì"
$R "%C3%8D" "Í"
$R "%C3%8E" "Î"
$R "%C3%8F" "Ï"
$R "%C3%90" "Ð"
$R "%C3%91" "Ñ"
$R "%C3%92" "Ò"
$R "%C3%93" "Ó"
$R "%C3%94" "Ô"
$R "%C3%95" "Õ"
$R "%C3%96" "Ö"
$R "%C3%97" "×"
$R "%C3%98" "Ø"
$R "%C3%99" "Ù"
$R "%C3%9A" "Ú"
$R "%C3%9B" "Û"
$R "%C3%9C" "Ü"
$R "%C3%9D" "Ý"
$R "%C3%9E" "Þ"
$R "%C3%9F" "ß"
$R "%C3%A0" "à"
$R "%C3%A1" "á"
$R "%C3%A2" "â"
$R "%C3%A3" "ã"
$R "%C3%A4" "ä"
$R "%C3%A5" "å"
$R "%C3%A6" "æ"
$R "%C3%A7" "ç"
$R "%C3%A8" "è"
$R "%C3%A9" "é"
$R "%C3%AA" "ê"
$R "%C3%AB" "ë"
$R "%C3%AC" "ì"
$R "%C3%AD" "í"
$R "%C3%AE" "î"
$R "%C3%AF" "ï"
$R "%C3%B0" "ð"
$R "%C3%B1" "ñ"
$R "%C3%B2" "ò"
$R "%C3%B3" "ó"
$R "%C3%B4" "ô"
$R "%C3%B5" "õ"
$R "%C3%B6" "ö"
$R "%C3%B7" "÷"
$R "%C3%B8" "ø"
$R "%C3%B9" "ù"
$R "%C3%BA" "ú"
$R "%C3%BB" "û"
$R "%C3%BC" "ü"
$R "%C3%BD" "ý"
$R "%C3%BE" "þ"
$R "%C3%BF" "ÿ"
# Liste de conversion ci-dessus tirée de http://jeppesn.dk/utf-8.html
sort -fu --output=$AEM/MRUD.tri $AEM/MRUD.lst
uniq -u $AEM/MRUD.tri > $AEM/MRUD.lst  # Fonctionne ! :-)

# Du script d'origine # Merci au groupe openbox (cf ci-dessus).
while read line;do 
# file=$(echo "$line")
   name=$(echo -en "$line" | sed 's,.*/,,' | sed 's/%20/ /g')
# Adaptation par musher0 pour aemenu et Puppy | Toutou
   echo "cmd \"$name\" \"rox $line\"" >> $AEM/recents
done < $AEM/MRUD.lst

# liste d'URL # pour opera seulement
# trouver le dossier d'opera,
if [ "`find / -maxdepth 5 -name global_history.dat`" ];then
   globhist="`find / -maxdepth 5 -name global_history.dat`"
# puis :
   echo "cmd \"~~~~~ URL ~~~~~\" \"\"" >> $AEM/recents
   awk '$1 ~ /html/ && $1 !~ /log/ { print $1 }' $globhist | tail -n 4 > MRUD-opera.lst
   for i in `cat MRUD-opera.lst`;do
      name="`echo $i | awk -F"/" '{ print $NF }' | awk -F"." '{ print $1 }'`"
      echo "cmd \"$name\" \"defaultbrowser $i\"" >> $AEM/recents
   done
   else
   yaf-splash -timeout 4 -text "   The default browser has to be ..opera.. for this list to work. " -fontsize x-large
fi

# liste d'images
if [ -f /root/.mtpaint ];then
   echo "cmd \"~~~~ Images ~~~~\" \"\"" >> $AEM/recents
   awk '$1 ~ /file/ { print $3 }' ~/.mtpaint | head -n 4 > MRUD-images.lst
   for i in `cat MRUD-images.lst`;do
      name="`echo $i | awk -F"/" '{ print $NF }' | awk -F"." '{ print $1 }'`"
      echo "cmd \"$name\" \"defaultimageeditor $i\"" >> $AEM/recents
   done
   else
   yaf-splash -timeout 4 -text "      The image editor has to be ..mtpaint.. for this to work. " -fontsize x-large
fi
echo "cmd \"~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\" \"\"" >> $AEM/recents
echo  "cmd \"$EFF\" \">/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel;>$AEM/recents\"" >> $AEM/recents

# Pour le débogage
echo "cmd \"<-- Éditer ce menu\" \"defaulttextviewer $AEM/recents\"" >> $AEM/recents

# Nettoyage
rm -f $AEM/MRUD*.lst
rm -f $AEM/MRUD.tri

# Lancement d'aemenu
$AEM/aemenu -rc $AEM/recents

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