Youtube Challenge
Hmm yes html5 seems a bit naff to me too...but some swear by it BUT it does suggest you might be using vesa or xvesa video.
That resolution you quoted...is that in flash or html5 as if it flash ..either way no chance of that being smooth..only way for those is with a real video player AND/OR graphics card hardware support.
mike
That resolution you quoted...is that in flash or html5 as if it flash ..either way no chance of that being smooth..only way for those is with a real video player AND/OR graphics card hardware support.
mike
Tested with opera and chromium. Opera gets a little better than FF and CH.
I'm also getting a lot of CPU power going into X:0 -br -nolisten tcp
I got this from my video info:
video-info-glx 1.5.1 Ter 10 Jun 2014 on Slacko Puppy 5.7 Linux 3.4.82 i686
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
oem: Brookdale-G Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS
product: Brookdale-G Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0
X Server: Xorg Driver: intel
X.Org version: 1.12.4
dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (169x126 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 845G x86/MMX/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 8.0.4
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
Core 0: @2400 MHz
...the above also recorded at '/tmp/root/video-info-glx'.
I'm also getting a lot of CPU power going into X:0 -br -nolisten tcp
I got this from my video info:
video-info-glx 1.5.1 Ter 10 Jun 2014 on Slacko Puppy 5.7 Linux 3.4.82 i686
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
oem: Brookdale-G Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS
product: Brookdale-G Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0
X Server: Xorg Driver: intel
X.Org version: 1.12.4
dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (169x126 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 845G x86/MMX/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 8.0.4
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
Core 0: @2400 MHz
...the above also recorded at '/tmp/root/video-info-glx'.
Hmm ok... is glxgears giving you a decent fps... ?
X cpu is showing xorg is having a heavy time.... with flash acceleration ONLY helps with full screen anyway.
Again 1024x768 video on flash I would not even attempt if thats what you are trying to play.
Unfortunately you may be right in that the intel video is your bottleneck here and ANY other video card would perform better.
And yes XP will perform better in this instance... better video drivers and flash player system ... a slight bias there generally. Especially if you use the activex flash player on IE..but then you have the problem of extreme virus vunerability.
(I did once experiment and had better flash performance using firefox on wine and best of all IE/flash on wine than any native arrangement)
mike
X cpu is showing xorg is having a heavy time.... with flash acceleration ONLY helps with full screen anyway.
Again 1024x768 video on flash I would not even attempt if thats what you are trying to play.
Unfortunately you may be right in that the intel video is your bottleneck here and ANY other video card would perform better.
And yes XP will perform better in this instance... better video drivers and flash player system ... a slight bias there generally. Especially if you use the activex flash player on IE..but then you have the problem of extreme virus vunerability.
(I did once experiment and had better flash performance using firefox on wine and best of all IE/flash on wine than any native arrangement)
mike
IF you have a video card supporting it otherwise I find it uses more cpu than flash....but hey its marvellous for those that do 
. Bit like web pages that need hi speed broadband , this weeks browser and a quad core to be seen .
Amazing really that say streaming xvid can play smoothly full screen on a pentium 3 but methods chosen for the web require considerable techinical resources...small rant there. Its more about market control (google vs MS vs adobe etc) than the best system for the job.
Mike
. Bit like web pages that need hi speed broadband , this weeks browser and a quad core to be seen .Amazing really that say streaming xvid can play smoothly full screen on a pentium 3 but methods chosen for the web require considerable techinical resources...small rant there. Its more about market control (google vs MS vs adobe etc) than the best system for the job.
Mike
Sad to say, but my puppy experience has been a total flop. Not only did I not get to play youtube videos decently, the drive mounting on the dvd player and USB is, at best, poor. Half the time puppy doesn't even know they are there. I was thinking about xbmc with this tiny win xp I use, but xp has been dropped by xbmc. I'll try openelec and maybe android on the pc (maybe... no java). Puppy looks and feels good, but in this case it has not suited me.
Thanks guys
Thanks guys
[quote]As you may have read, the official Microsoft support for Windows XP will ended at April 8th, 2014. This means the end of life for this 13 years old operating system which has fulfilled it’s purpose. After this date there will be no more updates any more, plugging possible security leaks. At the same time we have also ended support for Windows XP in the upcoming XBMC 13.0 release. It’s time to let go and move on. Some of you may still be using Windows XP including XBMC and are now becoming vulnerable in near future.
What are the options
There are several options to explore which vary in costs and difficulty depending on your skills. So let’s sum them up.
The most expensive is throwing away the hardware and just buying a new one. In this day and age it’s better to save a few bucks and keep using the old hardware of course. Be mindful that when you think you are savings some cash you might actually be spending more than you think. Older hardware have the tendency to be more power hungry than newer and smaller devices. So it could be, that after a few months you would have been better of buying new hardware. Especially when you are going to use it as a HTPC, that will be running couple of hours a day or longer. All this of course depends on the hardware you own, want to buy and your specific needs.
endofxp_to_win7-8_linux
Either way, you have to decide which operating system you are going to be using, except of course if you are buying an Android device. You could choose again for a Windows based solution and buy a Windows 7 or 8 license. Another option is to go for one of the free Linux distributions available that have become more user-friendly for the less technical people. Each option has their pros and cons. The internet is filled with information to help you go through this.
Disclaimer: There are a many pros and cons on what flavour operating system you should use and everyone has their own opinion. We will not venture into this territory. Please do your own research on the web as there are many reviews and tutorials out there. We simply want to point out the options available to replace the old Windows XP when you want to keep using XBMC “safely
What are the options
There are several options to explore which vary in costs and difficulty depending on your skills. So let’s sum them up.
The most expensive is throwing away the hardware and just buying a new one. In this day and age it’s better to save a few bucks and keep using the old hardware of course. Be mindful that when you think you are savings some cash you might actually be spending more than you think. Older hardware have the tendency to be more power hungry than newer and smaller devices. So it could be, that after a few months you would have been better of buying new hardware. Especially when you are going to use it as a HTPC, that will be running couple of hours a day or longer. All this of course depends on the hardware you own, want to buy and your specific needs.
endofxp_to_win7-8_linux
Either way, you have to decide which operating system you are going to be using, except of course if you are buying an Android device. You could choose again for a Windows based solution and buy a Windows 7 or 8 license. Another option is to go for one of the free Linux distributions available that have become more user-friendly for the less technical people. Each option has their pros and cons. The internet is filled with information to help you go through this.
Disclaimer: There are a many pros and cons on what flavour operating system you should use and everyone has their own opinion. We will not venture into this territory. Please do your own research on the web as there are many reviews and tutorials out there. We simply want to point out the options available to replace the old Windows XP when you want to keep using XBMC “safely
But building a win32 app that works on anything is not really that hard and the security thing is bollocks. The causes of insecurity are not fixed through updates but a removal of insecure systems. A lame reason for dropping support with third party software. And not everyone went for the pentium 4 and similar power guzzlers either... a dead end of cpu design and Intel knew it but they wanted to squeeze more money out of the design.
Whatever..I care not and save a fortune while remaining safe and there plenty of good software out there without those who decide what we the end user should be using...isn't that our choice? Move on to what..same software performing the same function using the same apis?
androids etc..well getting away from the intel mindset/hardware can only be a good move..more efficient processors will produce better results....as long as it does not become a one company domain like the PC did for so long.
what was the question
mike
Whatever..I care not and save a fortune while remaining safe and there plenty of good software out there without those who decide what we the end user should be using...isn't that our choice? Move on to what..same software performing the same function using the same apis?
androids etc..well getting away from the intel mindset/hardware can only be a good move..more efficient processors will produce better results....as long as it does not become a one company domain like the PC did for so long.
what was the question
mike
Humour me and slap me with a wet fish - what is this transcoding thing? and where is it being done? I just had a look at his post on the french forum and I think he is suggesting to pass a different url to the slower PC so that it is receiving a different data stream from a different website that is doing some on-the-fly recoding of the YT vid on behalf of his cpu. Is that whats happening??mikeb wrote:.I just realised he was transcoding...seems way over the top for the job and I think he just needs either a way to download or a newer media player.
A few responses in one conenient package
On the subject of these youtube videosa - I do not think that it is possible to use an old processor to simultaneously handle downloading a video, transcode it, decode it, and render it while running the OS and the media player. Please correct me if I am wrong . I am trying to understand digital video myself. My Pentium 3 takes all day to scale down a 20 min 720p video to 480p via ffmpeg. Maybe the user can take advantage of his graphics card in this case somehow.
Does anyone think that Linux is behind the times relative to the ARM-based platforms? And can one play flash videos on Android or not?
Also, there was an early mention of WYSE thin clients at the start of this thread. I hate those things - just my own personal opinion - you can't start Puppy on a flash drive in such a situation. So any public access like at a library or such is dead in the water.
Does anyone think that Linux is behind the times relative to the ARM-based platforms? And can one play flash videos on Android or not?
Also, there was an early mention of WYSE thin clients at the start of this thread. I hate those things - just my own personal opinion - you can't start Puppy on a flash drive in such a situation. So any public access like at a library or such is dead in the water.
yes....badly.And can one play flash videos on Android or not?
You have to jump through hoops to get it working and the results are poor.
Those devices are pretty much locked into google and its webm stuff. If you spoof android on a PC you get a taste of it
In other words ONLY watch TV from us.....
I had an Android for a week... a fancy one it seems cos it could use an SD card !!! ...that was enough for me. I sold it and got a Lenovo .... which incidentally converts videos real fast.
Pentium 3... yes no way... he was using a separate fast machine to do that...the slow machine was only playing the reduced result.
mike