TahrPup 5.8.4

[Al1000]

Thanks for the info re the save folder; it's newer than I thought.

This is what ''lspci -v'' says about the graphics on this laptop:

VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800/K8N800/K8N800A [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Subsystem: Packard Bell B.V. Device c008
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 128, IRQ 16
Memory at a4000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M]
Memory at e1000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
[virtual] Expansion ROM at a0000000 [disabled] [size=64K]
Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2
Capabilities: [70] AGP version 3.0

I ''think'' booting makes it as far as when the desktop is supposed to display, and that much the same happens with Lubuntu 14.04, Linux Lite 2.0 and Ubuntu 12.04. The former two do the same as Tahr Pup and the screen just displays stripes of colour, but they also throw up an error message during the boot process which says something about ''via-ircc'' and ''device not available,'' then ''can't reserve'' and a long number.

Ubuntu 12.04 throws up the same error message, but makes it to ''low graphics mode.''

(As I mentioned previously, Kubuntu 12.04 works fine, and there is no error message with it)

One detail I forgot earlier is that when booting up Lucid, for the first time only, I have to run Xorg to make the desktop fit the screen, while with Precise and Slacko I don't.

I hope that might give you some idea as to what's going wrong with Tahr, and please let me know if there's anything you can think of that I could do to try to get it working.

[gcmartin]

When installing "tahrfix2.pet", is a desktop restart a good option or is a system restart required?

Thansk in advance

[666philb]

Thanks for the info re the save folder; it's newer than I thought.

This is what ''lspci -v'' says about the graphics on this laptop:

VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800/K8N800/K8N800A [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Subsystem: Packard Bell B.V. Device c008
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 128, IRQ 16
Memory at a4000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M]
Memory at e1000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
[virtual] Expansion ROM at a0000000 [disabled] [size=64K]
Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2
Capabilities: [70] AGP version 3.0

I ''think'' booting makes it as far as when the desktop is supposed to display, and that much the same happens with Lubuntu 14.04, Linux Lite 2.0 and Ubuntu 12.04. The former two do the same as Tahr Pup and the screen just displays stripes of colour, but they also throw up an error message during the boot process which says something about ''via-ircc'' and ''device not available,'' then ''can't reserve'' and a long number.

Ubuntu 12.04 throws up the same error message, but makes it to ''low graphics mode.''

(As I mentioned previously, Kubuntu 12.04 works fine, and there is no error message with it)

One detail I forgot earlier is that when booting up Lucid, for the first time only, I have to run Xorg to make the desktop fit the screen, while with Precise and Slacko I don't.

I hope that might give you some idea as to what's going wrong with Tahr, and please let me know if there's anything you can think of that I could do to try to get it working.

hi Al1000

can you try installing the attached .pet ... then remaster puppy to create a new iso and see if it boots on your laptop.

[666philb]

When installing "tahrfix2.pet", is a desktop restart a good option or is a system restart required?

Thansk in advance

restarting x should be fine

[gcmartin]

Having some inconsistent behavior in shutdown processing and what I was offered. But, I cannot repeat. Also, if I enter JWM config via Menu>Desktop and change the wallpaper I have a new action occurring resulting from that change; namely click on an open area of the desktop will switch TahrPUP desktop icons and click again, will switch them back to desktop??? (almost like the desktop is on a carousel)

All done without a system save-session.

[Al1000]

hi Al1000

can you try installing the attached .pet ... then remaster puppy to create a new iso and see if it boots on your laptop.

Thanks for that package!

Unfortunately the desktop still isn't displaying, although now the computer isn't ''freezing'' either. I tried a few times and the first time it made it to the log-in screen and got stuck there, and every time after that it has only made it as far as ''recognising media devices..... optical input'' and gets stuck there, although around 3 seconds after it displays that text, the optical drive springs back into life for a couple of seconds.

However on every occasion including the first, I tapped the ''power-on'' button on the laptop, heard a woof, and 3 - 4 seconds later it shut down. Normally to reset this laptop if it froze I would have to hold the power-on button down for a full 6 seconds or so, after which it would shut down immediately, so this was definitely some sort of controlled shut down, and although the desktop isn't displaying the operating system doesn't seem to be frozen.

The optical drive is also unmounted by this point, as I am able to eject the CD before tapping the ''power-on'' button.

That was the first time I have used the re-master CD facility but I don't think I made any mistakes. First of all I downloaded the package and saved it to USB, then booted up with the 5.1.8.5 CD, and without selecting any options and after closing the set-up windows, I installed the package from USB then went straight to remaster the ISO.

I read all the instructions on the screen and answered 'no' to most if not all of the questions, particularly the one about including hardware specifics from my other computer that I was using to remaster the ISO. I booted up that computer with the new CD after burning the remastered ISO to it, before trying it on my laptop, and it boots just as well on that computer as the original 5.1.8.5 does.

The size of the remastered ISO which I saved on the hard drive is 215355392 bytes.

I tried booting up with the original CD again to make another comparison, and got the same result as before with the screen displaying coloured stripes. Although the CD was also unmounted as I was able to eject it, tapping the power-on button had no effect and I had no other option than to press the reset button.

So it is certainly working better with the new package installed, just unfortunately still isn't displaying the desktop.

I'll boot up with the new CD on my other computer again, and try installing some stuff such as a different desktop, if I can find and install one, and remaster the ISO after that and see if it will work that way. I'll report back if I have any luck, but thanks again in the meantime for getting it this far, and please let me know if there's anything else you can think of that I could try.

[James C]

Fresh manual frugal install.....

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# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: tahrpup, version 5.8.1.5

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
  Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768x16
  Depth (bits, or planes):              24
  Modules requested to be loaded:       dbe 

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
  Driver loaded (and currently in use): nouveau
  Loaded modules: dbe dri2 exa extmod fb glx kbd mouse shadowfb

Actual rendering on monitor:
  Resolution:  1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
  Depth:       24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video

# glxgears

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1048 frames in 5.0 seconds = 209.489 FPS
1127 frames in 5.0 seconds = 225.240 FPS
1225 frames in 5.0 seconds = 244.971 FPS
1259 frames in 5.0 seconds = 251.711 FPS

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-Computer-
Processor		: 2x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+
Memory		: 3887MB (185MB used)
Machine Type		: Physical machine
Operating System		: tahrpup - 5.8.1.5
User Name		: root (root)
Date/Time		: Sat 28 Jun 2014 10:52:26 AM CDT
-Display-
Resolution		: 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer		: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.4, 128 bits)
X11 Vendor		: The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter		: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia

[666philb]

had some woof problems ... but new tahr puppy building now,....... fingers crossed

[gcmartin]

@James C tests shows TahrPUP uses very little CPU.

[James C]

Fresh manual frugal install of 5.8.1.5 on the ever-trusty Athlon XP box.All basics working on initial boot.Seems quicker than the latest Slacko, at least on this old box.

But.........................................

Palemoon will not launch.

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# palemoon
Illegal instruction
# 

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/tmp/runinterminal-18009: line 3: 18014 Illegal instruction     "/opt/palemoon/palemoon-bin"
Script completed hit RETURN to close window

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If it won't launch on an Athlon XP then P3's are probably a no go as well. Installed the latest SeaMonkey which is working fine.

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VIDEO REPORT: tahrpup, version 5.8.1.5

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
  Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768
  Depth (bits, or planes):              24
  Modules requested to be loaded:       dbe 

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
  Driver loaded (and currently in use): nouveau
  Loaded modules: dbe dri2 exa extmod fb glx kbd mouse shadowfb

Actual rendering on monitor:
  Resolution:  1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
  Depth:       24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video

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# glxgears
Running synchronized to the vertical refresh.  The framerate should be
approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate.
377 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.313 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.032 FPS
376 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.056 FPS
374 frames in 5.0 seconds = 74.735 FPS
375 frames in 5.0 seconds = 74.935 FPS

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-Computer-
Processor		: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Memory		: 1033MB (172MB used)
Machine Type		: Physical machine
Operating System		: tahrpup - 5.8.1.5
User Name		: root (root)
Date/Time		: Sun 29 Jun 2014 12:00:32 AM CDT
-Display-
Resolution		: 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer		: Mesa DRI nv18 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE
X11 Vendor		: The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter		: VIA8233 - VIA 8235

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# free
             total         used         free       shared      buffers
Mem:       1033304       843440       189864            0        48736
-/+ buffers:             794704       238600
Swap:      1228936            0      1228936
# 

[James C]

Basically the same conditions......

Tahr

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-Computer-
Processor      : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Memory      : 1033MB (172MB used)
Machine Type      : Physical machine
Operating System      : tahrpup - 5.8.1.5
User Name      : root (root)
Date/Time      : Sun 29 Jun 2014 12:00:32 AM CDT 

Slacko

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-Computer-
Processor      : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Memory      : 1031MB (210MB used)
Machine Type      : Physical machine
Operating System      : Slacko Puppy - 5.9.3
User Name      : root (root)
Date/Time      : Sat 28 Jun 2014 11:03:21 PM CDT 

........ probably explains why it seems faster.

[shinobar]

I suspect memory usage and its performance are different.
I also suspect benchmarks the hardware info has.

But what is performance and how to measure?

Someone measure the start up time to get desktop at boot.
Others measure the browser start up time.
I make notice the swap usage when the browser running.
We can measure the time the browser shows the top page of the youtube after cleaning up the cache.

Humm.. it is difficult to make realistic benchmark...

[James C]

Seems quicker than the latest Slacko...

A quick observation is not an attempt to be a test or benchmark..............

[gcmartin]

Amount of RAM in use is not the contributor to performance,either.

Without any kind of a benchmark this is tough to demonstrate.

For example, a comparison might be to compare Slacko Puppy - 5.7 versus Slacko Puppy - 5.9.3 where one uses a zdrv technology via its ISO while the other doesn't. This would allow one to determine if the "stacking" provided in one at boot time, is beneficial when compared with the other in system's performance.

And, as @Shinobar points to, "benchmarking an application", to some, is meaningful where it may not be to others.

Hope this helps

[gcmartin]

In using Pale Moon browser, some anomolies surface: Palemoon browser issues found

• Dragging a tab from one Window to another resulting in a blank new tab in the target with no content???
• On addon, say DownThemAll, it replaced an existing Tab while the URL of what it replaces remains the old???

Anyone else having browser issues.

[666philb]

tahrpup 582 beta

updated
abiword 3.0.0
deadbeef 0.6.1
geany 1.24.1
sylpheed 3.4.2
palemoon 24.6.2
pfind latest
sfsload 2.0.8
JWM vgit-933
power applet tray
network tray
retrovol
freemaplet tray
added
ardis icon set (vicmz)

this is a more complete build of tahrpup and the first 'pure woof' build (the older ones were remastered afterwards to tweak them)
it fixes lots of missing libs & symlinks and can now be considered beta

i was going to add quickpet to this build but i'm having some problems with dropbox at the moment so will have to add it later.
i'm sticking with the old build system and same kernel for the time being whilst the bugs are worked out in the slacko thread, but expect a build using the newer system in the future.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/k4asicw8vfgz ... DB1RkHOdha

[01micko]

@666philb

Regarding the "new" build system option, it's almost ready. Just working out some details with the init and rc.sysinit. I already built you a kernel (3.12.22 up at ibiblio) and the 3builddistro-Z script will offer to download it. I may update that soon though for the lighter firmware and a couple of inclusions in the DOTconfig. (eg, apple keyboards don't work)I. f you get time you should do a test build soon to familiarise yourself. No need to rebuild packages, just use a different version number. It *should* go well. Let me know if it doesn't!

I'll test out your 5.8.2 build soon.

[James C]

Manual frugal install..... no kernel panic.

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# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: tahrpup, version 5.8.2

Chip description:
VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C68 [GeForce 7050 PV / nForce 630a] (rev a2)

Requested by /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
  Resolution (widthxheight, in pixels): 1024x768x16
  Depth (bits, or planes):              24
  Modules requested to be loaded:       dbe 

Probing Xorg startup log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log):
  Driver loaded (and currently in use): nouveau
  Loaded modules: dbe dri2 exa extmod fb glx kbd mouse shadowfb

Actual rendering on monitor:
  Resolution:  1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
  Depth:       24 planes

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video

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# glxgears
1045 frames in 5.0 seconds = 208.910 FPS
1216 frames in 5.0 seconds = 243.187 FPS
1199 frames in 5.0 seconds = 239.666 FPS
1195 frames in 5.0 seconds = 238.856 FPS
1201 frames in 5.0 seconds = 240.032 FPS

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-Computer-
Processor		: 2x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
Memory		: 3885MB (234MB used)
Machine Type		: Physical machine
Operating System		: tahrpup - 5.8.2
User Name		: root (root)
Date/Time		: Mon 30 Jun 2014 06:09:18 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution		: 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer		: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.4, 128 bits)
X11 Vendor		: The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter		: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia

[shinobar]

tahrpup 582 beta

Good job, 666philb!
My USB pribter EP-704A works no problem installing epson_inkjet_printer_escpr-1.4.0.
1. Well, /root/.packages/user-installed-packages exists even with RAM mode

2. The 1st extra SFS is loaded at /initrd/pup_ro5. I think it should be ro_4. It will mess up when we install many(over 4?) extra SFS. I hope the init script in ramfs will be updated from slacko 6.0 beta thread.

3. When i press the power button at the initial desktop, it takes 1 minute before shutdown. Please updated with acpi-busybox-4.pet:
http://shino.pos.to/party/bridge.cgi?puppy/

4. PPLOG fails, complaining 'Can't locate base.pm'.
I guess the package-templates/perl_tyny in the woof is something wrong.

5. I think the permission of /var/tmp should be the same of /tmp, 1777.

(EDIT: 2014-07-02)
6. ROX-Filer right click is somewhat broken.

[Billtoo]

Manual frugal install to a 16gb flash drive.

video-info-glx 1.5.3 Mon 30 Jun 2014 on tahrpup 5.8.2 Linux 3.12.2 i686
0.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF110 [GeForce GTX 560 Ti OEM] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: GF110 Board - 12630002 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver: nvidia
X.Org version: 1.15.1
dimensions: 3840x1080 pixels (1204x343 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GTX 560 Ti/PCIe/SSE2
OpenGL core profile version string: 4.3.0 NVIDIA 340.17

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz
Core 0: @1600 1: @1600 2: @1600 3: @1600 4: @1600 5: @1600 6: @1600 7: @1600 MHz

Good so far.