Lucid Puppy Revitalized as 5.2.8.7 - Nov., 2017 - Final

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rerwin
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Color-corrected epdfview-0.1.8-1

#161 Post by rerwin »

Keef,
Many, many thank yous! I just now spotted your posting, added the link, patched and compiled epdfview. Built a pet package (0.1.8-1) using pieces from the package already installed in lupu, and tested it with a web page that does not print correctly with the previous version of 0.1.8. The color is correct!

My test is with the B&H logo at bhphotovideo.com.

The result is here:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/7aufk ... .1.8-1.pet
for anyone wanting to try it, particularly those who have documents that otherwise do not print with correct colors. I have added the link to the Supplemental Pet section in message 3 of this thread.

Regarding the version number, I added the "-1" to correspond to the patch, called "fixes-1". I see that ubuntu has at least a "-1" and a "-3", the latter seeming to be the color fix. So, this could be confusing. I am open to thoughts on improving that.
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Problem with Lucid Revitalized as Server

#162 Post by drblock2 »

To celebrate Microsoft's ending support for Windows XP at the beginning of April, I finally got around to replacing my legacy LAN based on XP with a Linux LAN based on Lucid Revitalized. I used lupuplus with the linux_kernel-2.6.33.2-tickless_smp_patched-L3. A conservative solution for my old ThinkPad R52, which I use as a file and print sever.

The networking facilities are provided by samba-tng-rcrsn-0.5-rc1.pet and the printer server by p910nd-rcrsn-0.93.pet. The setup worked flawlessly until a few days ago when a problem arose. When attempting to play music from a 1TB external USB hard drive attached the server, the music paused after about ten minutes, resumed after 30 seconds or so and then stopped after another minute. The cause was easily diagnosed. The external USB hard drive had "detached" itself from the server, not accessible locally, drive the icon had disappeared. I was able to "reattach" the drive by unmounting it, powering it down and then up again, and remounting it.

But, the problem as described above reoccurred when ever I tried to play music remotely from the server.

In an attempt to track down the problem I tried the following:

1. To rule out disk error, I booted into Windows and ran chkdsk on the server and the external hard drive (both formatted to NTFS). No error on either of them.

2. To rule out a problem with the client, I tried playing music from another machine on the LAN. The same "detachment" occurred.

Last culprit - the operating system.

3. For a quick check, I booted from Quirky 6.1.4 in a USB slot. Problem solved, but, of course, the drive designations have changed as Quirky now commands sdb and everything else has been bumped up to sdc, sdd,, etc.

Although the network is functioning properly again, I would like to find a solution to this problem as I am very much in favor of the Lucid Puppy Revitalized philosophy: Take a proven, well-tested system and eliminate all the remaining bugs . Particularly puzzling is the fact that this problem first arose after nearly two months of using the new system.

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#163 Post by rcrsn51 »

There have been other sporadic reports of this kind of situation. A USB drive hiccups, drops its connection with the OS and reappears with a new drive letter.

I have no idea what causes this - bad cabling, the drive electronics, the udev system in Puppy, ......

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#164 Post by greengeek »

rcrsn51 wrote:I have no idea what causes this - bad cabling, the drive electronics......
I had significant problems with this on a variety of puppies and in my case I found the problem was caused by the usb connector that connected an external hub to my PC usb port. The problem goes away permanently if I 'back out' the connector by 1mm. If I push it in all the way the problem comes back after a variable time. Usually in the middle of copying large files :?

I suspect that the heating effect during copying causes a change in geometry of the connector and causes a change in the quality of the connection. Both usb connectors look absolutely perfect and I can see no visible cause for this problem.

Another possible suggestion might be bus changes being caused by the circuits/software that detect presence of usb2 versus usb 1 devices.

Do you get the same effects if you use slower sticks or avoid usb2 devices? (I'd even suggest that the problem might be triggered by a device on a completely different port - maybe a printer or something on anothet port could trigger the controller to reset or switch modes?)

Hope you find a solution

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Problem with Lucid Revitalized as Server

#165 Post by drblock2 »

rcrsn51 and greengeek

Thanks for quick reply!

First, a slight clarification. When the drive "detaches," it remains mounted so that when powered down and up it is redetected with a higher drive letter. That is why I unmounted the drive first.

I have had at least one terrifying experience with failed drive electronics (WesternDigital net drive running off the router). In this case, however, the drive seems to work normally with Quirky 6.1.4. I have tested this for several hours (and will continue to test), but with Lucid Revitalized the fault appears within ten minutes, which suggests that the operating system is somehow involved.

As for the mechanical details: I have a USB hub attached to one USB socket on the host machine. The hub accommodates the external hard drive, a USB stick, the input to my hi-fi system and the mouse. As greengeek noted the problem arises with large-scale transfers of data - only the drive feeding music to my remote machine "detached" itself. The only mechanical changes I made to the system were unplugging and replugging the power supply at the external hard drive, and, of course, slipping the Quirky USB stick into the remaining USB slot on the ThinkPad R52. One experiment is left to be performed:

As I write this, I am listening to music transfered from the external hard disk to the hi-fi system through the USB hub (with Quirky 6.1.4). If the music dies before I am through writing this, you will hear of it immediately, if problem appears later, I will inform asap.

That the defect first appeared after two months strongly suggests that it must be some sort of hardware failure, but then why should changing the operating system solve the problem?

As you can see, I am clearly out of my depth here, but I am trying to supply data for a "differential diagnosis" of the problem.

(The music is still playing.)

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#166 Post by rcrsn51 »

That's a lot of stuff to be running off one USB port on the server machine.

Do you have a machine with more ports to try? Just load up Samba-TNG and hook up your USB hard drive.

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Problem with Lucid Revitalized as Server

#167 Post by drblock2 »

The practical problem - accessing my music collection seems to have been solved. Both remote over the network and direct from the USB drive to the server connected to the hi-fi system in the library are working with Quirky 6.1.4.

There are a number of hardware adjustments I could try - switching the USB hub, removing the USB stick except for the few minutes a week when it is needed for my remote back-up, connecting the USB drive directly through one of the two USB ports, using the touch pad rather than the mouse, etc. And I may try these out of curiosity. The difficulty is that the present configuration worked flawlessly for two months and now flawlessly again with Quirky.

I have heard that Puppy registers complaints about drive failures in log files somewhere, but have no idea where to look. Perhaps, this would be a good place to start.

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#168 Post by rcrsn51 »

Try the dmesg command.

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Problem with Lucid Revitalized as Server

#169 Post by drblock2 »

Sometimes, when all else fails, pouring out ones heart to a search engine can get useful results. So, I googled: "linux external usb hard drive disconnects during data transfer".

All the results led ultimately to this link:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sour ... bug/349767, which describes the symptoms just as I did in my first post.

This bug was first reported in March 2009 with the 2.6.28-11.37 kernel. It is confirmed for Lucid by Thorsten Hesemeyer:
Have the same issue with Lucid on Lenovo Thinkpad W500 with external Hitachi HTS72101 0G9SA00 hard drive when copying data from the external drive to local hard drive and vice versa.

Kernel 2.6.32-22-generic-pae
Description: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
Release: 10.04
Codename: lucid

This issue highly depends on the hardware combination.
1. other external hard drives like Lenovo secure hard disk 160GB do not show this issue
2. same Hitachi HDD attached to a Lenovo Thinkpad T61p does not have this issue.

/var/log/messages entries when copying fails:
May 11 16:33:20 user-laptop kernel: [ 5060.404169] usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 5
Apparently, a patch was released for the 2.6.38 kernel in Natty and a fix with the 3.0.1 kernel.

Dealing with this is definitely beyond my capabilities. I hope one of the developers will find time to look into it.

In the meantime, I will experiment with lupu3hd and the superlupus, which offer other kernels.

Edit: Meanwhile, first results are in - if you have the problem, lupu3hd will not solve it. This is not very surprising since lupu3hd is based on kernel 2.6.37.6, and the patch was not introduced until kernel 2.6.38. Nevertheless, worth a try. On to superlupus

Edit 2: As promised, installed lupusuper1 with the 3.0.25 kernel (latest version 20140321). I reused the save file from lupu3hd by renaming it to sulusave.2fs. This seems to have solved the problem. I have tested the new kernel with two music files (37 min., 36.6 MB and 30 min., 51.9 MB) and an avi-file (simple transfer: 33 sec., 367.9 MB).

I will continue to test over the next few days and report back if there are any problems.

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Re: Lucid Puppy Revitalized as 5.2.8.6!

#170 Post by n0ukf »

rerwin wrote:The popular Lucid Puppy has been upgraded with its major components brought up to date. Although links to the individual disk image (ISO) files are provided below, the initial download site is:

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/dc28t2r ... es-5.2.8.6

This thread is intended as the maintenance center for further support of Lucid Pup.
I don't feel like going through all 12 pages of this thread to find an answer...
Will these disk images do an upgrade install without losing my installed extra apps? I'd rather not have to go through and reinstall them again after an update (perhaps forgetting some).
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#171 Post by bigpup »

n0ukf,

What version of Lucid Puppy are you using now?
How is it installed?
Full or frugal?
Installed on what?

Do you understand how to upgrade for different type installs?
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected :shock:
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#172 Post by n0ukf »

Lucid 5.2.8.0, full install from thumb drive live image on Asus Eee900A

How to upgrade and not lose my installed apps (like what happens with a Windows 'Restore' install) is what I was hoping to find here.
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#173 Post by bigpup »

n0ukf,

I assume your full install is on a hard drive partition.
The steps below should update and still retain any programs you have installed.

There is a chance you may have an even newer version of a program or file, already installed, and it gets replaced by a version that is in the Lupu5.2.8.6 iso

If you are using Lucid 5.2.8.0 you should be able to upgrade the full install using the main Lupu 5.2.8.6 iso.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/60k6t ... 140321.iso

That one has the same Linux kernel.

The Lupu3hd version and the Lupusuper versions use different Linux kernels, from the original Lucid Puppy.
Not sure if they would do a clean update to a version of Lucid Puppy that was not using the same kernel.

To upgrade a full install (FULL INSTALL ONLY).

To upgrade burn a new CD of the newer version or a live USB flash drive.
Boot with this new version.
Use boot option (puppy pfix=ram).
Run the Puppy Universal Installer.
Select the same location for install as the Puppy you are upgrading.
Select Full Install.
Choose "upgrade", not "wipe".
No need to reinstall grub.
It will save your previous settings.
(may want to edit Grub menu.lst to change title info to newer version)
Shutdown computer.
If you are asked if you want to make a save file.
Answer no.
Remove live Puppy CD or USB drive.
Boot computer.
At boot menu select your upgraded Puppy.
Notes: 1) If you have previously used the Lucid 5.2.8 Live CD, it may have copied the lupu_528.sfs file to your hard drive. When the new CD boots it will use that lupu_528.sfs without telling you, so you need to delete it from your drive, or rename it, before you boot the new CD. This will happen even if the lupu_528.sfs is in a directory. 2) If you use a frugal install,. a simple trick is to download the ISO, click it to open it, and copy the lupu_528.sfs into the directory that holds the frugal install, replacing the old one.
There is always the standard warning.
Backup anything you can not afford to loose. :!: :!:
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midori in /usr/local/bin (nonfunctioning)

#174 Post by sindi »

If I type midori from a terminal I get a list of libraries then 'Aborted'.
2.5MB file. I deleted it.
There is also an fmradioshell.
So far everything else works perfectly
even on my Thinkpad 390E 400MHz (PIII) with
256MB. I kill Rox, cupsd, etc. to save RAM
but it still runs out online even with Opera.
384MB is adequate if you are careful.
256MB works with GTK-Youtube-Viewer
and 400MHz with 240p.

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meeboview, yad, xkbconfigmanager

#175 Post by sindi »

meeboview directs to wwwm.meebo.com, which if corrected to
www.meebo.com tells you meebo was bought by
google. I would delete meeboview.

yad - can't recognize image file format

xkbconfigmanager points to /usr/local/apps/Xkb...
There is no xkb in lupu. Doesn't the
xkb package come with these pieces?

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#176 Post by rerwin »

sindi,
Thanks for your report and cleanup suggestions. I have worked some of them. The next release of 5.2.8.6 will have fmradioshell and meeboview removed.

I would not delete midori because I see that it is used for managing CUPS printing -- essential, I'd say. The messages are only warnings that do not appear to impact the use of midori for CUPS. Running programs from the command line may often produce insignificant warnings.

I know nothing about yad or xkb. But there are components of xkb in the directory you mention. The xkbconfigmanager appears to get run as part of the mouse/keyboard wizard, Advanced Xorg keyboard configuration. Does it not work as you expect?

Although you do not say which lupu version you are using, I would assume lupumini-5.2.8.6. You should also be using a swap file or partition, with 256 megs of RAM.
Richard

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#177 Post by rmcellig »

At the moment I am using Lucid 5.2.8 (005) on my old Dell 3000 desktop (frugal install, 512MB save file).

All I need for this machine that I use all the time is Audacity, Filezilla, Audacious or similar lightweight audio player. Pretty basic.

What would you recommend I use from the various lucid derivatives that you offer that would make a better alternative to Lucid 5.2.8 that I am currently running?

I LOVE Openbox for it's lightness and flexibility.

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#178 Post by rerwin »

rmcellig,
Thanks for your inquiry. The simplest upgrade would be to use one of the "lupus" (instead of the 3HD or supers). Download the one that matches your current setup -- lupumini if you are currently using a zdrv SFS file, otherwise lupu itself. If you are using lupulibre 005, then take lupulibre 5.2.8.6.

Whichever .iso file you choose, instead of burning and installing it, copy it to /tmp, right-click on it to see its contents, then copy the corresponding files to your frugal installation (initrd.gz, lupu_528.sfs, vmlinuz, zl528332.sfs), replacing the originals. Or, you might rename the originals first, so you can go back to them if necessary.

You should then be able to reboot and see your puppy as before. If you have added some puppy-related packages to 005, you may see a popup advising uninstalling some of them, if they have been updated for 5.2.8.6. Most likely, the popup should just say that no uninstallations are necessary.

Once you have that worked out to your satisfaction, you might consider upgrading to lupusuper2, using the same technique, substituting sulu_002.sfs for lupu_528.sfs (and, optionally, zs002248.sfs for zl528332.sfs). However, in that case you would also need to rename your pupsave file(s) from "pupsave..." to sulusave...".

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#179 Post by bigpup »

The pet_packages_Lucid directory at ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/ seems to be broken.
Also, seems to be down at other repositories.
Any idea why?
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#180 Post by Moat »

^^ Confirmed here - and same goes for the pet_packages-slacko14.1 and pet_packages-slacko6414.1 directories on that page. Updating?

Bob

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