What an odd comment. Does the same rule apply to other toxic substances, like asbestos?mikeb wrote:Funny I never remember ever eating circuit boards to poison myself...same goes for automobile batteries.
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Yes sarcasm.... point was the forced changeover when there was no significant problem in the first place and as it happens the replacement has some toxic elements anyway and expensive in terms of precious material usage side effects....also pushing out equipment which is doomed to early failure due to an inherent weakness is hardly an enviromental move.....
...laws that are aimed at creating revenue rather than actually improve matters are all to common and this appears to be another one.
Asbestos handling laws have created a huge cash cow...at least over here...when the real danger was in the factories producing the stuff rather than in its destination environment. Anyone heard of any asbestosis cases outside of the manufacturing industry?
mike
...laws that are aimed at creating revenue rather than actually improve matters are all to common and this appears to be another one.
Asbestos handling laws have created a huge cash cow...at least over here...when the real danger was in the factories producing the stuff rather than in its destination environment. Anyone heard of any asbestosis cases outside of the manufacturing industry?
mike
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Anyone heard of any asbestosis cases outside of the manufacturing industry?
Well actually I have, but he was a roofer and was stupid enough to drill and cut asbestos sheeting overhead and in an enclosed environment without any sort of mask.
Anyone heard of any asbestosis cases outside of the manufacturing industry?
Well actually I have, but he was a roofer and was stupid enough to drill and cut asbestos sheeting overhead and in an enclosed environment without any sort of mask.
"Just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush" - T Pratchett
ok so I was asking for that one.Well actually I have, but he was a roofer and was stupid enough to drill and cut asbestos sheeting overhead and in an enclosed environment without any sort of mask.
that's just insultingSo what's your point? Anything that doesn't hurt you personally is OK?
If all you can manage is persistant personal attacks don't bother.
mike
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Not intending to take you too literally, but aren't we all guilty of that from time to time. But, to speak to the point, actually yes, I know of one lawsuit brought several years ago by a widower who used to be a neighbor of mine, claiming that his wife's fatal cancer was caused by the asbestos which was formerly used in aftermarket replacement automobile brake linings. The plaintiff was a retired Air Force MP who spent all of his 30-year career at Lakenheath and worked on cars as a sideline all his life. The deceased wife was originally from the UK. I do not know whether the suit was filed in the US or the UK.mikeb wrote:...Anyone heard of any asbestosis cases outside of the manufacturing industry?
“A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer.†--Bruce Lee
My local council was offering people up to £3000 to replace their garage roof with modern ones. They refused to do mine when they found it was corrugated asbestos, but threatened to sue me for it until I pointed out that it was there when I bought the house and that the house had been built originally by....... the council.
They still refused to replace it since they had no workmen qualified to do so.
They still refused to replace it since they had no workmen qualified to do so.
"Just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush" - T Pratchett
Ok a bad example indeed..I like to put mny foot in it now and then
.. just here there is a requirement for hundreds of pounds of survey and work for the silliest little jobs often with no connection with any asbestos present which is of the non dangerous type anyway. The workmen themselves (who wear masks as a general health precaution anyway) and even the asbestos surveyors tell me there is no risk in the type of work and precense of the asbestos (house is old enough that some is used for the roof eves and built into the original floor tiles.... it was apparently used for some textured ceiling paint.)
I would never disregard others safety.... those who would be threatened were the ones saying the procedures required for handling asbestos in domestic properties were unnecessary..... also ironic that a water tank made of the stuff with a flaking damaged lid corner was deemed not a problem when i pointed it out. I think the risk of the garage roofs varies depending on who feels like spending money at the time .
Ok way off topic.....yet important issues. One for the offtopic section. I only brought the subject in as part of the discussion on unreliability of graphic chips in recent computers....and even thats stretching the topic... perhaps we should leave it here.
mike
.. just here there is a requirement for hundreds of pounds of survey and work for the silliest little jobs often with no connection with any asbestos present which is of the non dangerous type anyway. The workmen themselves (who wear masks as a general health precaution anyway) and even the asbestos surveyors tell me there is no risk in the type of work and precense of the asbestos (house is old enough that some is used for the roof eves and built into the original floor tiles.... it was apparently used for some textured ceiling paint.)
I would never disregard others safety.... those who would be threatened were the ones saying the procedures required for handling asbestos in domestic properties were unnecessary..... also ironic that a water tank made of the stuff with a flaking damaged lid corner was deemed not a problem when i pointed it out. I think the risk of the garage roofs varies depending on who feels like spending money at the time .
Well if that is the situation then that is unacceptable.... but it does not make the use of leaded solder hazerdous in itself...this is about negligent disposal of waste in order to save a few bucks and the wider issue of excessive consumerism and the disposable society. If safety standards are not being applied to childrens toys then God knows what materials could be creeping in there and I am sure there are plenty of other sources for lead in such a scenario.But consider the irony of this situation. We send our lead-filled electronics to the third world for recycling. Then they send the lead back to us in cheap, untested consumer goods, like children's toys.
Ok way off topic.....yet important issues. One for the offtopic section. I only brought the subject in as part of the discussion on unreliability of graphic chips in recent computers....and even thats stretching the topic... perhaps we should leave it here.
mike
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I've just installed another distro for old computers; Swift, which is based on Debian and whose main developer is a fan of Puppy. Sadly it seems to have been yet another distro which has fallen by the wayside, as the edition I'm using (0.2.0) is the latest one and was released in April 2012. As far as I can see it works very well.
Gigabyte M68MT-52P motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 630, 5.8 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive running Ubuntu 16.04.6, MX-19.2, Peppermint 10, PCLinuxOS 20.02, LXLE 18.04.3, Pardus 19.2, exGENT 200119, Bionic Pup 8.0 and Xenial CE 7.5 XL.
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Hello Colonel,Colonel Panic wrote:I've just installed another distro for old computers; Swift, which is based on Debian and whose main developer is a fan of Puppy. Sadly it seems to have been yet another distro which has fallen by the wayside, as the edition I'm using (0.2.0) is the latest one and was released in April 2012. As far as I can see it works very well.
Yes thats true it is Debian based it is actually orignally based on Antix then moved based to Linux Mint debian edtion I do believe wasn't bad and still fuctional, couldn't Xine to work on it though,
Oh, blast!
Another nice little distro gone, eh? First CrunchBang,...and now Swift? Drats. I really enjoy using my old PIII,...but finding stuff to run on it is getting harder and harder.
Well,...we still have different Puppy flavors,..Antix,..etc. etc. etc.
And the small stuff really runs great on my newer computers as well. Slackware seems to run pretty good on newer and older stuff, too. But VectorLinux takes so looooooooooooooooooooooong between releases nowdays. Whats happening with Salix, Absolute, and Zenwalk now? Hmmmm.....something I have to look into. I must also have a look at Slax, as well.
EDIT: BTW,..does anyone know of a little distro that is just like VectorLinux,...but is Debian-based???? I mean,..Vector is really super nice, in that it is a complete little distro that is LOADED with apps and codecs (and looks really good, too). Is there any Debian-based distro like it? Antix just doesn't have as many apps that comes OOTB like Vector does.
Another nice little distro gone, eh? First CrunchBang,...and now Swift? Drats. I really enjoy using my old PIII,...but finding stuff to run on it is getting harder and harder.
Well,...we still have different Puppy flavors,..Antix,..etc. etc. etc.
And the small stuff really runs great on my newer computers as well. Slackware seems to run pretty good on newer and older stuff, too. But VectorLinux takes so looooooooooooooooooooooong between releases nowdays. Whats happening with Salix, Absolute, and Zenwalk now? Hmmmm.....something I have to look into. I must also have a look at Slax, as well.
EDIT: BTW,..does anyone know of a little distro that is just like VectorLinux,...but is Debian-based???? I mean,..Vector is really super nice, in that it is a complete little distro that is LOADED with apps and codecs (and looks really good, too). Is there any Debian-based distro like it? Antix just doesn't have as many apps that comes OOTB like Vector does.
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Hi again nitehawk, good to see you on here again. I think it's quite difficult to develop a distro which is based on Debian and keep it afloat, and a number of good ones have fallen by the wayside, such as Solus (whose lead developer was part of the team responsible for Mint Debian) and Saline.nitehawk wrote:Oh, blast!
Another nice little distro gone, eh? First CrunchBang,...and now Swift? Drats. I really enjoy using my old PIII,...but finding stuff to run on it is getting harder and harder.
Well,...we still have different Puppy flavors,..Antix,..etc. etc. etc.
And the small stuff really runs great on my newer computers as well. Slackware seems to run pretty good on newer and older stuff, too. But VectorLinux takes so looooooooooooooooooooooong between releases nowdays. Whats happening with Salix, Absolute, and Zenwalk now? Hmmmm.....something I have to look into. I must also have a look at Slax, as well.
EDIT: BTW,..does anyone know of a little distro that is just like VectorLinux,...but is Debian-based???? I mean,..Vector is really super nice, in that it is a complete little distro that is LOADED with apps and codecs (and looks really good, too). Is there any Debian-based distro like it? Antix just doesn't have as many apps that comes OOTB like Vector does.
Two I liked a lot and which were still going strong the last time I looked were ZevenOS Neptune, which is based on KDE, and Sparky. Both are on the big side but have a good range of apps.
As for Vector, I agree development is slow but it seems someone anticipated your question;
http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=17729.0
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You know,...I haven't tried SolydX as yet (must try). And I have MX-14. Thought it a lot like Antix,...which meaning it is very good,..but just doesn't have the amount of apps in a small space like Vector does. Somehow Vector manages to cram a whole bunch of usable stuff in a small distro,..and throw in all the multimedia codecs as well.rokytnji wrote:MX-14? SolydX? Just to name a couple.BTW,..does anyone know of a little distro that is just like VectorLinux,...but is Debian-based??
@colonel panic,..
I am going over to check out that posting on the Vector forum right now (actually haven't been checking there too much of late) Thanks for the tip,..
I'm busted.As for Vector, I agree development is slow but it seems someone anticipated your question;
http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?topic=17729.0
You know. Salix makes a xfce version also. I run Salix fluxbox 14.1 on one of my 9 inch screen netbooks. It don't break. No matter how hard I try.
https://vivaldi.net/forum/vivaldi-brows ... -slackware
I know it aint debian based. But if you can't be with the one you love.
Love the one you are with.
Maybe? https://www.debian.org/CD/live/
Edit: You know what. I bet Knoppix would fit you quite well. It comes with everything.
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=knoppix
except XFCE
4 gig DVD. It should be packed chock full of stuff. Vs a cd like AntiX and MX-14.
http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=08627
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