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peebee


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PostPosted: Wed 29 Apr 2015, 14:42    Post subject: Re: Experimental - LxPup15.05  

johnywhy wrote:
Possible to upgrade? Or do you recommend a fresh install?

Thx!

Haven't tried it but should upgrade ok from 15.03 or 15.04 - maybe backup your personal save area first?

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peebee


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PostPosted: Fri 01 May 2015, 05:04    Post subject: LxPupVivid-15.05  

LxPupVivid-15.05 is available to test:

http://lx-pup.weebly.com/upup-vivid.html

VividPup is at Beta2 status, so this LxPup version is similar.

As it's based on VividPup which has many extra applications compared to a traditional Pup - e.g. LibreOffice, Thunderbird, Gimp to name just a few, this is a BIG iso (c. 520MB).

The Broadcom wl wifi driver in this version has to be "activated" before use as recommended by rcrsn51.

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Shep

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PostPosted: Tue 05 May 2015, 10:12    Post subject:  

I have been using LxPupTahr for a couple of weeks. There are a few observations I can make that might be of interest to anyone considering using it.

A number of times after booting it has, in the lower right corner, 2 identical network icons and 2 identical HDD green cylinders. This seems to have no negative consequences, though it's a bit disconcerting.

The browser it comes with is Pale Moon, and some sites complain that it is not up to date and offer a Firefox update link. I much prefer an up to date Firefox browser so installed it.

The file manager does not allow me to rename a file and include a slash / in the new name. I'm accustomed to using this as an easy way to relocate files to new directories, but am stymied here. The file manager does not have a Delete option, just Move to Trash. A lot of times it says it can't move the file to trash and instead offers the Delete option. Three mouse clicks for every file deletion is a bit wearing!

After one boot there was a window already opened with retrovol, so I clicked to minimize it. A few hours later I was investigating why the system was so sluggish and I discovered that retrovol was responsible for about 40% CPU resources! I killed it and the system returned to its normal responsive behaviour.

Today after boot there was no sound volume control in the lower right of the screen. I wasn't concerned because I found the media player still worked. But I saw that CPU usage was frozen on 100%. Investigating, I found that retrovol was indeed running and using 40% CPU usage and making Mplayer use high CPU usage too. I killed retrovol and the system returned to normal.

These anomalies mean that I would not recommend this version for newbies or non-PC people who just need a platform to run a particular software.

For my purposes it is doing fine. I'd like to thank those involved in its development. But I'm looking forward to trying another puppy.
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PostPosted: Tue 05 May 2015, 10:59    Post subject:  

Shep wrote:
I have been using LxPupTahr for a couple of weeks. There are a few observations I can make that might be of interest to anyone considering using it.

A number of times after booting it has, in the lower right corner, 2 identical network icons and 2 identical HDD green cylinders. This seems to have no negative consequences, though it's a bit disconcerting.

The browser it comes with is Pale Moon, and some sites complain that it is not up to date and offer a Firefox update link. I much prefer an up to date Firefox browser so installed it.

The file manager does not allow me to rename a file and include a slash / in the new name. I'm accustomed to using this as an easy way to relocate files to new directories, but am stymied here. The file manager does not have a Delete option, just Move to Trash. A lot of times it says it can't move the file to trash and instead offers the Delete option. Three mouse clicks for every file deletion is a bit wearing!

After one boot there was a window already opened with retrovol, so I clicked to minimize it. A few hours later I was investigating why the system was so sluggish and I discovered that retrovol was responsible for about 40% CPU resources! I killed it and the system returned to its normal responsive behaviour.

Today after boot there was no sound volume control in the lower right of the screen. I wasn't concerned because I found the media player still worked. But I saw that CPU usage was frozen on 100%. Investigating, I found that retrovol was indeed running and using 40% CPU usage and making Mplayer use high CPU usage too. I killed retrovol and the system returned to normal.

These anomalies mean that I would not recommend this version for newbies or non-PC people who just need a platform to run a particular software.

For my purposes it is doing fine. I'd like to thank those involved in its development. But I'm looking forward to trying another puppy.


Hi Shep

What are the specs of the computer you are running?

The system tray icon anomalies you describe may be connected to the speed of your cpu....also have you been logging out to the terminal in any way (like ctrl-alt-delete) rather than through the session manager?

If you want extended delete commands please install the optional right-clicks package.

There are many ways to copy files pretty easily using PCManFM - but Rox is still there as well if you prefer to use that for some operations.

Don't fall at the first hurdle - persevere and investigate the features available and I'm sure you'll find acceptable solutions to your work flows.

Cheers
peebee

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Shep

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PostPosted: Wed 06 May 2015, 08:26    Post subject:  

peebee wrote:

What are the specs of the computer you are running?

P4, 2.2GHZ, 1.5GB

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The system tray icon anomalies you describe may be connected to the speed of your cpu....also have you been logging out to the terminal in any way (like ctrl-alt-delete) rather than through the session manager?

No, I click on powerdown. (Though it doesn't power the PC off.)

Thanks for your reply, peebee. You didn't address the retrovol process. Tonight after booting I found retrovol running and using 82% CPU.
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Wed 06 May 2015, 08:38    Post subject:  

@Shep: This may be a situation where you need to start a new savefile and see if you can replicate the problem.

Once you start having several odd boot-up behaviours, it suggests some kind of corruption.
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peebee


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PostPosted: Wed 06 May 2015, 09:18    Post subject:  

Shep wrote:
Thanks for your reply, peebee. You didn't address the retrovol process. Tonight after booting I found retrovol running and using 82% CPU.


The retrovol problem is connected to the system tray icons problem - they are both something to do with svg icons which need processing power to be activated - retrovol gets "stuck" during that process.

Although I've seen these problems in the past, I haven't seen them for a long time now and yours is the first report of such problems.

One thing I didn't ask - which version of LxPupTahr are you running? And are you installed frugally - with a savefolder or savefile? - or a full install?

If you could test with a frugal install with a clean pristine new save area as suggested by rcrsn51 that would be good.

Cheers
peebee

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Marv


Joined: 04 May 2005
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Location: SW Wisconsin

PostPosted: Wed 06 May 2015, 09:23    Post subject:  

Shep wrote:
peebee wrote:

What are the specs of the computer you are running?

P4, 2.2GHZ, 1.5GB

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The system tray icon anomalies you describe may be connected to the speed of your cpu....also have you been logging out to the terminal in any way (like ctrl-alt-delete) rather than through the session manager?

No, I click on powerdown. (Though it doesn't power the PC off.)

Thanks for your reply, peebee. You didn't address the retrovol process. Tonight after booting I found retrovol running and using 82% CPU.


On some of my slower laptops (Pentium M 1.2GHz based) I had problems with how Retrovol loaded into the panel and used resources in LxPupTahr.
If you are in the mood to experiment, I attach a pet of gvolwheel 0.7, the last GTK2 version, from slackware. It is what I currently use in the LxPupTahr I'm running. It is started from a .desktop in /root/.config/autostart (included in the pet) and the panel icons have been modified to be white (originals are also included in /usr/share/pixmaps/gvolwheel in the pet). I install this and disable Retrovol. Your mileage of course may vary.
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Shep

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PostPosted: Thu 07 May 2015, 10:25    Post subject:  

peebee wrote:

One thing I didn't ask - which version of LxPupTahr are you running? And are you installed frugally - with a savefolder or savefile? - or a full install?

If you could test with a frugal install with a clean pristine new save area as suggested by rcrsn51 that would be good.

Cheers
peebee

I boot from the CD. 15.03pae it says on the screen.

It will be a few days before I can do any tests.
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caiosama


Joined: 02 Jan 2015
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Location: Concepcion, Chile

PostPosted: Thu 07 May 2015, 16:29    Post subject:  

Guys, where can i find the KDE sfs for the last Lxpup Tahr? or some MATE?

I searched here but is gone

http://lxpup.weebly.com/kde.html

This Pup runs flawlessly in an old Dell 630, installed with the last GetFlash, the last Palemoon. Great great.

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PostPosted: Thu 07 May 2015, 17:33    Post subject:  

Shep wrote:
I boot from the CD. 15.03pae it says on the screen.

Is this a multi-session disc, or do you have a save file/folder on the hard drive?
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ally


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Location: lincoln, uk

PostPosted: Thu 07 May 2015, 17:36    Post subject:  

http://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Lxpup

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PostPosted: Thu 07 May 2015, 18:12    Post subject:  

Thank you Ally!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri 08 May 2015, 05:51    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
Shep wrote:
I boot from the CD. 15.03pae it says on the screen.

Is this a multi-session disc, or do you have a save file/folder on the hard drive?

I have the save directory on the HD.

On the last two boots the volume control and retrovol have behaved as they should. Neither has there been a duplicate of any icons in the tray.

Maybe it heard me saying I'll be trying another pup? Smile
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PostPosted: Fri 08 May 2015, 12:15    Post subject: oddities  

Hello guys.
I'm new about lxpup, just frugally installed it on my usb stick.
My congratulations to the author(s) of this elegant piece of software, a mirable expression of beauty and functionality.
As I said, I'm running a fresh frugal installation, and everything seems to go smootly, so far.
There's something I'm not able to explain though. When I launch 'puppy package manager', it always connects to a google server, before I type anything, I mean.
I'm not sure what causes this behaviour, but I'm not able to reproduce it with tahrpup 6.0.2. Any clue?
Thanks in advance.
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