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Colonel Panic
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Hi nitehawk,nitehawk wrote:I see there is communication over on the VectorLinux forum that may indicate that Vector 7.1 may be out fairly soon. Really looking forward to that! Vector has always been my "go to" distro,...along with Puppy.
The latest RC of Vector (I've been using 4.3 recently) is pretty much "good to go"; I doubt you'll be disappointed if you download it or acquire it some other way (I know you're on a slow connection) and use it now.
One thing I don't like about it compared to earlier releases is that they've gotten rid of the Quick Picks, which was a really good way of installing some of the more popular software packages people would use. Also, whereas Salix usually connects to the Internet first time, with Vector it often takes several clicks on the network icon before it gets connected (with my ISP in the UK anyway).
Finally, Vector doesn't make it easy to find the latest testing releases, so here's a link to that site;
http://vlcore.vectorlinux.com/pkg/untes ... x-7.1/iso/
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Gigabyte M68MT-52P motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 630, 5.8 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive running Ubuntu 16.04.6, MX-19.2, Peppermint 10, PCLinuxOS 20.02, LXLE 18.04.3, Pardus 19.2, exGENT 200119, Bionic Pup 8.0 and Xenial CE 7.5 XL.
...I can live with that, I guess. Thanks for the link. When I get over to my daughter's place (she's on fast internet), I'll try to download it. Meanwhile,..been using Vector 7 (with upgraded browsers). It's just such a nice little distro. Bunch of good apps, with all the codecs.Colonel Panic wrote: One thing I don't like about it compared to earlier releases is that they've gotten rid of the Quick Picks, which was a really good way of installing some of the more popular software packages people would use. Also, whereas Salix usually connects to the Internet first time, with Vector if often takes several clicks on the network icon before it gets connected (with my ISP in the UK anyway).
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Colonel Panic
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- Joined: Sat 16 Sep 2006, 11:09
I agree. Vector 7 is still perfectly useable in 2015, especially if you upgrade the browsers as you've done. The only thing it lacks for me is a good and simple database program like Puppy's PortaBase. (Yes, I know there's the database program in LibreOffice, which you can download and run in Vector, but in my experience it's not half as easy to set up and use as PortaBase is).
Gigabyte M68MT-52P motherboard, AMD Athlon II X4 630, 5.8 GB of DDR3 RAM and a 250 GB Hitachi hard drive running Ubuntu 16.04.6, MX-19.2, Peppermint 10, PCLinuxOS 20.02, LXLE 18.04.3, Pardus 19.2, exGENT 200119, Bionic Pup 8.0 and Xenial CE 7.5 XL.
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Mike Walsh
- Posts: 6351
- Joined: Sat 28 Jun 2014, 12:42
- Location: King's Lynn, UK.
Been trying out the SliTaz distros. Talk about different...
Started with 4.0, which is unmaintained, except for security patches. Got the hang of using THAT (it uses BusyBox, which I haven't come across before.....although BB uses LXPanel, which I DO know)...
Perhaps it's my set-up, but the whole thing looks slightly 'soft' & 'out-of-focus'.
Tried SliTaz 5.0 next (the new 'rolling' release). This is much nicer; much sharper. It, too, uses BusyBox & LXPanel, but the whole thing is much more in-focus, and just looks better. This is coming to you from FF 17 ESR in Slitaz 5.0.
This thing is somewhat like starting all over with Linux again! 'S good fun, though...
Regards,
Mike.
Started with 4.0, which is unmaintained, except for security patches. Got the hang of using THAT (it uses BusyBox, which I haven't come across before.....although BB uses LXPanel, which I DO know)...
Perhaps it's my set-up, but the whole thing looks slightly 'soft' & 'out-of-focus'.
Tried SliTaz 5.0 next (the new 'rolling' release). This is much nicer; much sharper. It, too, uses BusyBox & LXPanel, but the whole thing is much more in-focus, and just looks better. This is coming to you from FF 17 ESR in Slitaz 5.0.
This thing is somewhat like starting all over with Linux again! 'S good fun, though...
Regards,
Mike.
Maybe not.Keef wrote:Mike
I think you mean Openbox, not Busybox.
http://forum.slitaz.org/topic/new-busyb ... orking-bad
I tried Slitaz for a bit. But it crowded my beta testing time among other things also, so I admitted defeat and moved on.
http://antix.freeforums.org/well-i-trie ... t5236.html
I am just glad you brought that up in your post Keef, in a weird round about way.Keef wrote:rokytnji
...it was just that he said that BB was 'using' LXpanel, which makes me think he was referring to a window manager rather than the well-know (well apart from to Mike) multi-call binary.
I have been receiving used Computers from the IT guy that supports
City Management Building in my one horse town.
Dell T3400, IBM E50, IBM M41, Dell Optiplex 755, Dell GX280.
I am inundated with used Desktops with missing hard drives and ram upgrades needed amongst other things lately. All stacked up in the motorcycle shop.
I am thinking of going with BSD on one of these units and your post reminded me to go to my old Slitaz thread where fatmac.
One of your countryman,bros. He is a good on-line buddy of mine and I had forgotten his post on Ghost BSD.
http://antix.freeforums.org/post36709.html#p36709
So I am a happy camper because now you have inadvertently
narrowed down what I am going to do next when I am ready to
start running BSD. I thank you for that. Owe you a beer on the Mexican
Border, (where it is hot as hell and beer goes down cool and wet
)Happy Trailz, Rok.
P4 stuff for the most part, yuck. Too many watts and not enough real power *shrug* but they do work I assume so I guess they're not quite fit for the dustbin.
Careful with the NetVistas tho -- they've got Brookdale chipsets which are a real PITA to get working with open source stuff IIRC... something along the lines of Poulsbo, I think.
Good luck!
Careful with the NetVistas tho -- they've got Brookdale chipsets which are a real PITA to get working with open source stuff IIRC... something along the lines of Poulsbo, I think.
Good luck!
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Mike Walsh
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- Location: King's Lynn, UK.
Christ, Starhawk...don't bring THAT up again!starhawk wrote:Careful with the NetVistas tho -- they've got Brookdale chipsets which are a real PITA to get working with open source stuff IIRC...
Good luck!
I had enough grief getting that one of mine to behave itself.....though I DID eventually find a workaround that would let me install Lubuntu on the old 1100.Just add "vga=792" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub.....and lo and behold, it was running as sweet as a nut. That lasted all of 5 days...till the touchpad decided to quit on me. Scrubbed it, and went back to Tahrpup! No hassles.....& everything just 'working' again. Bliss...
Anyway, apart from the power/efficiency side of things, there's nowt wrong wi' P4s! That 2.6 of mine has made all the difference to my 'baby'...
At least I can watch videos and listen to streaming radio now, without all the continuous 'choppiness'.I'm too attached to mine, I guess. I've invested too much time and money in her to want to chuck her in the bin..!
She does what I want, when it boils down to it. 'Nuff said.
And Roky; ignore starhawk..! You have fun...
(*has a gentle 'dig' at starhawk*)Regards,
Mike.
@Burn_IT -- I feel a little sorry for you. Keep reading (2nd and 3rd paragraphs below, in particular) and you'll see why. Trust me when I tell you that a Pentium M system will save you money on your electric bill. You will quite likely actually notice the difference because it's about 50W/hr...
@Mike Walsh --
I will always have a place in my eWaste-recycling bin for any 89 watt CPU that has borderline lackluster performance at best. VIA's offerings do very little as well, particularly compared to almost everything other than highly outdated designs (P3, P4, and Geode -- although the Geode is an interesting case study on its own), but they are at least efficient about it -- they tend to pull wattages in the single-digit-plus-a-decimal bracket, rather than something far closer to an incandescent flood-lamp bulb for your yard...
The problem with the P4s is a misfeature and a nasty one at that. They are intended as multimedia CPUs... in their day they were amazing for eg video editing, and they actually held their own there for a goodly while. However, someone forgot to tell the design team that most people just want word processing, Web, and email -- and the result was that P4s are only good at multimedia. A Tualatin P3 outperforms them in almost every other way , clock cycle for clock cycle.
Intel learned, though, and fast -- the ~35-watt Pentium M is based on Tualatin, and everything Core/Core2 and after that's Intel is actually based on the Pentium M, with the sole exception (IIRC) of Atom and possibly the non-Atom BayTrail stuff (in the case of BayTrail, I'd have to look it up; I've been fairly delinquent about that, actually, so far). Worth noting -- a Pentium M equals the performance of a P4, at about half the clock speed of the P4 in question. Seriously, they're that much better...
As for Brookdale -- another Intel goof. They allowed some Very Bad Things to happen with open-source driver support, I believe. Note that they didn't repeat it until Poulsbo happened somewhat recently.
For the record, I have a Poulsbo board. It's an Atom based setup, and it performs in Puppy about as well as my ASUS 1000HE netbook. I wouldn't want to run any sort of CAD software on either one -- but they're both absolutely just fine for casual Web browsing and the like...
@Mike Walsh --
I will always have a place in my eWaste-recycling bin for any 89 watt CPU that has borderline lackluster performance at best. VIA's offerings do very little as well, particularly compared to almost everything other than highly outdated designs (P3, P4, and Geode -- although the Geode is an interesting case study on its own), but they are at least efficient about it -- they tend to pull wattages in the single-digit-plus-a-decimal bracket, rather than something far closer to an incandescent flood-lamp bulb for your yard...
The problem with the P4s is a misfeature and a nasty one at that. They are intended as multimedia CPUs... in their day they were amazing for eg video editing, and they actually held their own there for a goodly while. However, someone forgot to tell the design team that most people just want word processing, Web, and email -- and the result was that P4s are only good at multimedia. A Tualatin P3 outperforms them in almost every other way , clock cycle for clock cycle.
Intel learned, though, and fast -- the ~35-watt Pentium M is based on Tualatin, and everything Core/Core2 and after that's Intel is actually based on the Pentium M, with the sole exception (IIRC) of Atom and possibly the non-Atom BayTrail stuff (in the case of BayTrail, I'd have to look it up; I've been fairly delinquent about that, actually, so far). Worth noting -- a Pentium M equals the performance of a P4, at about half the clock speed of the P4 in question. Seriously, they're that much better...
As for Brookdale -- another Intel goof. They allowed some Very Bad Things to happen with open-source driver support, I believe. Note that they didn't repeat it until Poulsbo happened somewhat recently.
For the record, I have a Poulsbo board. It's an Atom based setup, and it performs in Puppy about as well as my ASUS 1000HE netbook. I wouldn't want to run any sort of CAD software on either one -- but they're both absolutely just fine for casual Web browsing and the like...
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Mike Walsh
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- Location: King's Lynn, UK.
Hi, starhawk.
Absolutely! Remember what I said to Fossil in that VERY long thread a few months back...about the fan vent doing a good impression of a hot-air heater on a cold day? Gawd, it does chuck some heat out...
You're right about the P4's though...specially 'bout the multimedia stuff. Anything with a 31-stage pipeline is going to be a wee bit single-minded, and pretty specialised to boot.
But when all's said, the power consumption doesn't particularly bother me. I don't use her THAT much; and watt-for-watt (about the same as the Celly), it really has transformed the Dell. I always wanted a P4 in here...and now I have one.
And there's no getting away from the fact that today's modern processors ARE uber-efficient. The amount of 'kick' they supply, considering they barely sip from the 'leccy...shows just how far things have come in the last 10-12 years. It's all been driven, of course, by the overwhelming demand from the mobile market; people want everything as small & light as possible, with the longest possible standby times. Had to happen.
I definitely wouldn't want to lug the Inspiron around all day long; I'd be doing a fairly good impression of an orang-utan by the end of the day! It'd give my shoulder joints a good work-out; it's the type of thing those laptop 'backpacks' were originally dreamed up for! As I said, months back, when you consider that an entire MacBook 'Air' weighs somewhat less than just the battery on this thing, it DOES show how things have moved on...
I just LIKE using old tech! Guess that makes me a masochist, or eccentric ( a well-known Brit trait), or summat...or a dinosaur...
@Burn_IT:- Spot on! Couldn't agree more. We Brits need to stick together...(snigger)
(Sorry, starhawk; I'm just in a silly mood tonight...
) And NO; alcohol has NOT passed my lips! I think we're getting 'off-topic' again... 
BTW: Interestingly, when I'm on this site, the P4 runs way up near the 60c mark. Conversely, the 'new' dual-core Athlon 64 X2 in the big Compaq is running SO cool I have to watch out for icicles forming...around the 25c mark. What does that tell you (discounting Dell's famous lousy thermal solutions, of course)?
Mike.
Absolutely! Remember what I said to Fossil in that VERY long thread a few months back...about the fan vent doing a good impression of a hot-air heater on a cold day? Gawd, it does chuck some heat out...
You're right about the P4's though...specially 'bout the multimedia stuff. Anything with a 31-stage pipeline is going to be a wee bit single-minded, and pretty specialised to boot.
But when all's said, the power consumption doesn't particularly bother me. I don't use her THAT much; and watt-for-watt (about the same as the Celly), it really has transformed the Dell. I always wanted a P4 in here...and now I have one.
And there's no getting away from the fact that today's modern processors ARE uber-efficient. The amount of 'kick' they supply, considering they barely sip from the 'leccy...shows just how far things have come in the last 10-12 years. It's all been driven, of course, by the overwhelming demand from the mobile market; people want everything as small & light as possible, with the longest possible standby times. Had to happen.
I definitely wouldn't want to lug the Inspiron around all day long; I'd be doing a fairly good impression of an orang-utan by the end of the day! It'd give my shoulder joints a good work-out; it's the type of thing those laptop 'backpacks' were originally dreamed up for! As I said, months back, when you consider that an entire MacBook 'Air' weighs somewhat less than just the battery on this thing, it DOES show how things have moved on...
I just LIKE using old tech! Guess that makes me a masochist, or eccentric ( a well-known Brit trait), or summat...or a dinosaur...
@Burn_IT:- Spot on! Couldn't agree more. We Brits need to stick together...(snigger)
(Sorry, starhawk; I'm just in a silly mood tonight...
) And NO; alcohol has NOT passed my lips! I think we're getting 'off-topic' again... BTW: Interestingly, when I'm on this site, the P4 runs way up near the 60c mark. Conversely, the 'new' dual-core Athlon 64 X2 in the big Compaq is running SO cool I have to watch out for icicles forming...around the 25c mark. What does that tell you (discounting Dell's famous lousy thermal solutions, of course)?
Mike.
My C840 has several advantages.
I can run it in 4 split screens and still have 800x600 resolution for each.
I don't need a room heater in the winter.
It doesn't get knocked off the desk accidentally.
I've got lots of spares and it is easy to maintain.
I do have another laptop for laptop use.
I can run it in 4 split screens and still have 800x600 resolution for each.
I don't need a room heater in the winter.
It doesn't get knocked off the desk accidentally.
I've got lots of spares and it is easy to maintain.
I do have another laptop for laptop use.
"Just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush" - T Pratchett
Dudes and Duddettes. Calm down. I got everything cleaned, up, and running but the GX280. It posts to bios. Loads a usb operating system 1/2 way.
Then click and no signal on monitor. Not till it cools down can I rinse and repeat. Bios reset to defaults. Cmos pulled and left out for good measure.
Only 512MB original ram (2 256MB sticks) but she repeats what I say above.
Junk is wrote in magic marker on top of case and a taped note says bad cpu.
So the jury is out on that one. I need some sata caddies (plastic snap rails)
anyways for it so it is on the back burner for now.
Burned 2 GhostBSD 4.0 Dvds. 64bit and 32bit. All working units has 2 to 4 gig
of ram depending on the tower. The Dells are 1 IBM M41 are DVDROM/CDRW
and other IBM is DVDRW.
Not too shabby for freebies and some elbow grease and parts from me.
Not enough keyboards, crts, and mice for everyone. But I will be more elaborate showing pics in this thread.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=91698
Hopefully to make up for the derail of this thread. My next post in this thread will be showing GhostBSD in action on one of the Dells (T3400?).
Electric Bill?
CPU consumption?
Meh. My place used to be the Hospital in the early 50's here and I run a 3 phase 5 ton central A/C here. I'd rather be comfy than frugal. 115F will
leave the central A/C on all day. My place is big with a 30 car parking lot next to the house made of concrete and my motorcycle shop which pulls a lot of BTU's and Watts sits there.
So I do not sweat the small stuff.
I guess some folks are stupid rich.
But don't get me wrong. I ain't one of them. I can pretend pretty good though.
Then click and no signal on monitor. Not till it cools down can I rinse and repeat. Bios reset to defaults. Cmos pulled and left out for good measure.
Only 512MB original ram (2 256MB sticks) but she repeats what I say above.
Junk is wrote in magic marker on top of case and a taped note says bad cpu.
So the jury is out on that one. I need some sata caddies (plastic snap rails)
anyways for it so it is on the back burner for now.
Burned 2 GhostBSD 4.0 Dvds. 64bit and 32bit. All working units has 2 to 4 gig
of ram depending on the tower. The Dells are 1 IBM M41 are DVDROM/CDRW
and other IBM is DVDRW.
Not too shabby for freebies and some elbow grease and parts from me.
Not enough keyboards, crts, and mice for everyone. But I will be more elaborate showing pics in this thread.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=91698
Hopefully to make up for the derail of this thread. My next post in this thread will be showing GhostBSD in action on one of the Dells (T3400?).
Electric Bill?
CPU consumption?
Meh. My place used to be the Hospital in the early 50's here and I run a 3 phase 5 ton central A/C here. I'd rather be comfy than frugal. 115F will
leave the central A/C on all day. My place is big with a 30 car parking lot next to the house made of concrete and my motorcycle shop which pulls a lot of BTU's and Watts sits there.
So I do not sweat the small stuff.
I guess some folks are stupid rich.
But don't get me wrong. I ain't one of them. I can pretend pretty good though.
Returning to the topic of this thread........
Linux BBQ Bork. Debian Sid,Openbox and no systemd.
278 mb of fun.
http://linuxbbq.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1924
Linux BBQ Bork. Debian Sid,Openbox and no systemd.
278 mb of fun.
http://linuxbbq.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1924
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@ Mike Walsh. Far, far better than a wheat bag.
@ rokytnji.
Mike! Don't knock it! The laptop's warmth (HEAT!) does wonders for the old rheumaticy knees.Absolutely! Remember what I said to Fossil in that VERY long thread a few months back...about the fan vent doing a good impression of a hot-air heater on a cold day? Gawd, it does chuck some heat out... Laughing
Far, far better than a wheat bag.@ rokytnji.
I love the quote. It reminds me of NCIS's "Mike Franks" (Muse Watson) growling out a classic one-liner.Owe you a beer on the Mexican Border, (where it is hot as hell and beer goes down cool and wet.)