166MHz laptop with 48MB > 192MB RAM (maximum) PC66.
2.1GB drive (slow) and 800x600 12" LCD.
2 USB ports and a choice of FD or CD.
Desktop quality keyboard.
Basiclinux cannot get OSS sound to work at all.
(I forget the details). It worked in Win95.
I would rather not install 98Lite (Windows).
Pulp (puppy 4.2.1) loads ALSA drivers and sort of
works except instead of 1 or 2 barks you get an
infinite number of them (or other sounds)
mplayer does not work: cannot open audio device /dev/dsp.
I tried another mplayer known to work with P55C and it
also cannot open audio device.
I was hoping to set this up as an internet radio.
Everything works except the sound. Stereo speakers.
Sound in. Sound out. Headphones. Mike. Vol dial.
How to get the sound to work in this old, slow laptop?
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sindi,
I can help with ALSA setup for these old ISA sound cards ...
but first, what about the internal Orinoco wifi card in your Dell Inspiron 8100 with Puppy 5.2.8.7??
You asked for help with this in February, but you didn't answer -
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 072#827072
I can help with ALSA setup for these old ISA sound cards ...
but first, what about the internal Orinoco wifi card in your Dell Inspiron 8100 with Puppy 5.2.8.7??
You asked for help with this in February, but you didn't answer -
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 072#827072
opl3sa2 and orinoco
I forgot to have replies about the orinoco sent to my email. lupu 5.2.5 supports it after removing a # to put back cardbus support for this internal pcmcia card, supported by puppies 4.
then the card slot went bad as happened to other dells and a compaq.
external pcmcia works. A cardbus xircom xirc2ps card is not detected nor works after manual install. worked in a puppy 4 laptop. no dongles takes up 2 slots. i used a 3com instead.
i would use puppy 4 if i could get youtube viewer working, with upgraded glibc.
upgraded glibc might fix xvkbd but first wlll try puppy 5. i wrote a script to kill rox cups etc to free up ram. what can i edit so they do not load?
what do you want to help with first xvkbd or xircom?
then the card slot went bad as happened to other dells and a compaq.
external pcmcia works. A cardbus xircom xirc2ps card is not detected nor works after manual install. worked in a puppy 4 laptop. no dongles takes up 2 slots. i used a 3com instead.
i would use puppy 4 if i could get youtube viewer working, with upgraded glibc.
upgraded glibc might fix xvkbd but first wlll try puppy 5. i wrote a script to kill rox cups etc to free up ram. what can i edit so they do not load?
what do you want to help with first xvkbd or xircom?
xvkbd
Hi sindi - what was the problem with xvkbd? (I couldnt find a link to the problem you had). You could try this version:sindi wrote:what do you want to help with first xvkbd or xircom?
http://www.mediafire.com/download/9ggu2 ... ll-3.5.pet
It is a modified xvkbd based on one that medor made a while ago. It seems to work fine on some of my systems that gave errors with other versions of xvkbd. I modified it to be used mostly in "small" format and "UK English" form.
Unlike other versions of xvkbd it doesnt need extra libs - on the puppies I have tried at least.
xvkbd
I got the original xvkbd (with two added libraries) to work this morning
by symlinking the provided libraries to the names of the missing
libraries, and still do not know how to install pets with pulp so will
try your all-in-one xvkbd soon.
I am home sick (which explains how I have time to play with old laptops)
and am now in bed watching Youtube on an eeePC with puppeee on it, that
has a totally dead keyboard (a friend spilled coffee on it and gave it
to me). Puppeee comes with xvkbd which not require libXp or libXaw3d.
It does have lots of other library dependencies but might also work in
pulp (puppy 4.1.2). It has a 2010 kernel 2.6.33 (and, dmesg tells me,
bluetooth). I will try both versions in pulp when I am vertical again.
My young neighbor wants to use the built-in keyboard and just switch to
the onscreen keyboard for the 5-6 non-working keys (s and F1 among
others), but since he types with one finger that should work okay.
His main requirement of a laptop is Flash with sound. For playing games
and watching Youtube game videos.
gtk-youtube-viewer on a slow computer at 144p is fine with him. The
900MHz AMD HP I gave him displays jagged streaks with the viewer
(mplayer is not happy with AMD video), and the graphics chip may be too
slow to play Youtube properly with a browser at any resolution.
He also wants working USB port (to install puppy to flash drive) and
wifi - and the HP has dead USB and pcmcia and parport and CD burner (NIC
and keyboard work). It has one read-only partition that you can write
to but not delete from. ???
The 650MHz Gateway has USB and PCMCIA but only 256MB RAM (PC100) but
maybe we can get lupu usable by killing ROX and cups etc., to use
gtk-youtube-viewer. Or can you make the viewer work in puppy 4 (pulp)?
I can download videos with movgrab and play with mplayer but that is
asking a lot of a 10 year who has used linux for a week.
Back to opl3sa2 on the 166MHz Gateway.
by symlinking the provided libraries to the names of the missing
libraries, and still do not know how to install pets with pulp so will
try your all-in-one xvkbd soon.
I am home sick (which explains how I have time to play with old laptops)
and am now in bed watching Youtube on an eeePC with puppeee on it, that
has a totally dead keyboard (a friend spilled coffee on it and gave it
to me). Puppeee comes with xvkbd which not require libXp or libXaw3d.
It does have lots of other library dependencies but might also work in
pulp (puppy 4.1.2). It has a 2010 kernel 2.6.33 (and, dmesg tells me,
bluetooth). I will try both versions in pulp when I am vertical again.
My young neighbor wants to use the built-in keyboard and just switch to
the onscreen keyboard for the 5-6 non-working keys (s and F1 among
others), but since he types with one finger that should work okay.
His main requirement of a laptop is Flash with sound. For playing games
and watching Youtube game videos.
gtk-youtube-viewer on a slow computer at 144p is fine with him. The
900MHz AMD HP I gave him displays jagged streaks with the viewer
(mplayer is not happy with AMD video), and the graphics chip may be too
slow to play Youtube properly with a browser at any resolution.
He also wants working USB port (to install puppy to flash drive) and
wifi - and the HP has dead USB and pcmcia and parport and CD burner (NIC
and keyboard work). It has one read-only partition that you can write
to but not delete from. ???
The 650MHz Gateway has USB and PCMCIA but only 256MB RAM (PC100) but
maybe we can get lupu usable by killing ROX and cups etc., to use
gtk-youtube-viewer. Or can you make the viewer work in puppy 4 (pulp)?
I can download videos with movgrab and play with mplayer but that is
asking a lot of a 10 year who has used linux for a week.
Back to opl3sa2 on the 166MHz Gateway.
xvkbd from puppeee works in lupu 5.2.5
The xvkbd that needed two
libraries (250K) of files is
3.1 and 96K. One vertical
line is missing.
The puppeee xvkbd works in
lupu 5.2.5 with no added libs
and is 100K and version 3.2.
No missing line.
The puppee 3.5 pet is missing
libXaw.so.8 (in lupu 5.2.5).
It is 126K.
Back to opl3sa2 please.
libraries (250K) of files is
3.1 and 96K. One vertical
line is missing.
The puppeee xvkbd works in
lupu 5.2.5 with no added libs
and is 100K and version 3.2.
No missing line.
The puppee 3.5 pet is missing
libXaw.so.8 (in lupu 5.2.5).
It is 126K.
Back to opl3sa2 please.
opl3sa2 in a Compaq Prosignia 120
1999 laptop, 233MHz, 160MB, dead CMOS battery works perfectly otherwise, online with pcmcia card.
No PCI sound cards found. ISA search identifies it as opl3sa2 but then in pulp linux (4.1.2)
no sound is produced (not even multiple barks as on the other laptop).
Puppy 4.3.1 retro unchecked all but sb16 and sb8 when doing ISA sound card search and it set up for sb16.
Still 'no such device'.
lsmod shows sb16 and opl3sa2 and cs4231 and opl3 and mpu401 modules loaded.
I then unchecked all but cs4236 and it found that! Tries to play sound and 'no such device'.
Win98 is long gone, but on the Gateway sound worked as opl3sa2 in Win98 but not linux.
The Prosignia has hardware vol controls and stereo speakers and would make a nice radio.
Basiclinux says 'no such device' for opl3sa2 and sb16 and others.
No PCI sound cards found. ISA search identifies it as opl3sa2 but then in pulp linux (4.1.2)
no sound is produced (not even multiple barks as on the other laptop).
Puppy 4.3.1 retro unchecked all but sb16 and sb8 when doing ISA sound card search and it set up for sb16.
Still 'no such device'.
lsmod shows sb16 and opl3sa2 and cs4231 and opl3 and mpu401 modules loaded.
I then unchecked all but cs4236 and it found that! Tries to play sound and 'no such device'.
Win98 is long gone, but on the Gateway sound worked as opl3sa2 in Win98 but not linux.
The Prosignia has hardware vol controls and stereo speakers and would make a nice radio.
Basiclinux says 'no such device' for opl3sa2 and sb16 and others.
Odd suggestion. See if Precise 571 Retro gives you sound.
I have a Dell Latitude CPi. Same year. Very strange sound card -- Crystal 4237B. The driver is the cs4236 one, but it only actually works in Pups 420 and older (or was it 412 and older? don't remember now). Anything newer results in Puppy without a bark... except for Precise 571 Retro where it works. I can't explain it but it's worth a shot.
FWIW I can find no specs of any kind on that Prosignia laptop. Very few on the 'Net have heard of it, from what I can tell. Kind of odd. (For the record, you can get a replacement CMOS battery on eBay for about $5-6...)
I have a Dell Latitude CPi. Same year. Very strange sound card -- Crystal 4237B. The driver is the cs4236 one, but it only actually works in Pups 420 and older (or was it 412 and older? don't remember now). Anything newer results in Puppy without a bark... except for Precise 571 Retro where it works. I can't explain it but it's worth a shot.
FWIW I can find no specs of any kind on that Prosignia laptop. Very few on the 'Net have heard of it, from what I can tell. Kind of odd. (For the record, you can get a replacement CMOS battery on eBay for about $5-6...)
more sound problems
I got the crystal 423X sound working in two older Thinkpads (found instructions) and
may have posted about that. 233MHz and 266MHz models (560x?).
Next laptop: Toshiba 1805-S203 800MHz, two RAM slots PC100, got one 256MB SODIMM
to work (two others 256MB prevent boot), plus 128MB that came with it also PC100.
(PC133 boots but prevents linux from booting). Designed for Win200 but my neighbor
kept the hard drive. Sound is ALI 5451 (trident) which I read works in OSS
(trident.o) with kernel 2.4. Puppy 1.07 (OSS) may work. Wary (ALSA) identifies
the chip then I get no sound at all. Not 'legacy'.
I will try with Basiclinux (for which I compiled OSS trident.o for kernel 2.4.31).
I had a 133MHz Omnibook ($3500 when new) working with OSS but not ALSA sound
(Puppy 1.07 and Basiclinux OSS sound). A 300MHz Winbook works with OSS not ALSA.
ALI5451 identified, but no sound.
Wary 5.1 boots with 1024x768 Xorg, Lupu 525 and Lupumini 5.2.8.6 start to boot
but ends up on a blank screen instead of X (no terminal available either,
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace does not help).
Puppy 4.3.1 (2.6.30 kernel) video is okay but still no sound.
Basiclinux lets me load trident.o ALi Audio Accelerator found... ac97_codec.
play XXXX.wav Output buffer fills intermittently, no sound.
mplayer *.mp3 looks like it is playing but no sound.
(I don't care about X).
Win98 Lite?
The Prosignia crashes if I try to boot linux with more than 160MB RAM, but would
still make a good internet radio if the sound worked.
may have posted about that. 233MHz and 266MHz models (560x?).
Next laptop: Toshiba 1805-S203 800MHz, two RAM slots PC100, got one 256MB SODIMM
to work (two others 256MB prevent boot), plus 128MB that came with it also PC100.
(PC133 boots but prevents linux from booting). Designed for Win200 but my neighbor
kept the hard drive. Sound is ALI 5451 (trident) which I read works in OSS
(trident.o) with kernel 2.4. Puppy 1.07 (OSS) may work. Wary (ALSA) identifies
the chip then I get no sound at all. Not 'legacy'.
I will try with Basiclinux (for which I compiled OSS trident.o for kernel 2.4.31).
I had a 133MHz Omnibook ($3500 when new) working with OSS but not ALSA sound
(Puppy 1.07 and Basiclinux OSS sound). A 300MHz Winbook works with OSS not ALSA.
ALI5451 identified, but no sound.
Wary 5.1 boots with 1024x768 Xorg, Lupu 525 and Lupumini 5.2.8.6 start to boot
but ends up on a blank screen instead of X (no terminal available either,
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace does not help).
Puppy 4.3.1 (2.6.30 kernel) video is okay but still no sound.
Basiclinux lets me load trident.o ALi Audio Accelerator found... ac97_codec.
play XXXX.wav Output buffer fills intermittently, no sound.
mplayer *.mp3 looks like it is playing but no sound.
(I don't care about X).
Win98 Lite?
The Prosignia crashes if I try to boot linux with more than 160MB RAM, but would
still make a good internet radio if the sound worked.
Toshiba sound started working
No idea why, but the Toshiba sound (Ali/trident) suddenly started working in Lupu when my young neighbor played
a youtube video, and it kept working. (Tarnish?). There had been no complains about device not found, just no sound.
Maybe puppy 1.07 somehow turned it on?
He took the Prosignia, without sound, for a friend to use with gmail and for light browsing. He will bring it back
for lessons in youtube-dl under pulp. We installed rubix, his friend's other request. My neighbor installed all
the games and browsers he could find into lupu. I advised him to switch to the basic HTML view in gmail (or to fastmail
or some other faster webmail - any suggestions for a free fast webmail?). Gmail took a few minutes to load at 233MHz.
Which leaves the original 166MHz Gateway with opl3sa2 sound chip.
a youtube video, and it kept working. (Tarnish?). There had been no complains about device not found, just no sound.
Maybe puppy 1.07 somehow turned it on?
He took the Prosignia, without sound, for a friend to use with gmail and for light browsing. He will bring it back
for lessons in youtube-dl under pulp. We installed rubix, his friend's other request. My neighbor installed all
the games and browsers he could find into lupu. I advised him to switch to the basic HTML view in gmail (or to fastmail
or some other faster webmail - any suggestions for a free fast webmail?). Gmail took a few minutes to load at 233MHz.
Which leaves the original 166MHz Gateway with opl3sa2 sound chip.
Prosignia and Windows 98
Windows 98 setup freezes. I found the Win98 sound driver.
98lite gives an error message. The laptop was sold with Win98. I tried booting with LILO to DOS and also from a DOS floppy disk in case it mattered.
So no sound on the Prosignia, which leaves an opl3sa2 Gateway too old to use with a WPA-capable pcmcia card (cardbus). It had working sound with Win98 (upgraded from Win95) and I even have the Win98 install CD. I found 4 classical internet radio stations working with Windows Media Player.
98lite gives an error message. The laptop was sold with Win98. I tried booting with LILO to DOS and also from a DOS floppy disk in case it mattered.
So no sound on the Prosignia, which leaves an opl3sa2 Gateway too old to use with a WPA-capable pcmcia card (cardbus). It had working sound with Win98 (upgraded from Win95) and I even have the Win98 install CD. I found 4 classical internet radio stations working with Windows Media Player.