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Hello, all.
This day -- May 21, 2015 --, is a very sad day for Canada.
Bill C-51 curtailing civil rights and freedoms of ordinary Canadians under
pretense of fighting terrorism has just received vice-royal assent. It is
now Law.
From now on, in this beloved country of ours, if you voice publicly any
dissent against Conservative Party ideology, you can be spied on, tailed,
interrupted in any of your activites, your phone and computer can be
tapped without a warrant, your family and friends interrogated, you can
be jailed without a valid reason and rot there without trial for as long as
the police, the RCMP and/or CSIS pleases.
R.I.P. Rule of Law as we've known it in this (formerly) great country.
(A minute of silence please.)
musher0
This day -- May 21, 2015 --, is a very sad day for Canada.
Bill C-51 curtailing civil rights and freedoms of ordinary Canadians under
pretense of fighting terrorism has just received vice-royal assent. It is
now Law.
From now on, in this beloved country of ours, if you voice publicly any
dissent against Conservative Party ideology, you can be spied on, tailed,
interrupted in any of your activites, your phone and computer can be
tapped without a warrant, your family and friends interrogated, you can
be jailed without a valid reason and rot there without trial for as long as
the police, the RCMP and/or CSIS pleases.
R.I.P. Rule of Law as we've known it in this (formerly) great country.
(A minute of silence please.)
musher0
musher0
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"You want it darker? We kill the flame." (L. Cohen)
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"You want it darker? We kill the flame." (L. Cohen)
Sad to hear. There seems to be a whole new layer of "approved" people running the world these days. No respect for the ordinary citizen. No rule of law being applied equally to all. Police forces appear to be the agents of the wealthy and of the militaristic, rather than defenders of the man in the street.musher0 wrote:Hello, all.
This day -- May 21, 2015 --, is a very sad day for Canada.
Bill C-51 curtailing civil rights and freedoms of ordinary Canadians under
pretense of fighting terrorism has just received vice-royal assent. It is
now Law.
From now on, in this beloved country of ours, if you voice publicly any
dissent against Conservative Party ideology, you can be spied on, tailed,
interrupted in any of your activites, your phone and computer can be
tapped without a warrant, your family and friends interrogated, you can
be jailed without a valid reason and rot there without trial for as long as
the police, the RCMP and/or CSIS pleases.
R.I.P. Rule of Law as we've known it in this (formerly) great country.
(A minute of silence please.)
musher0
So much for democracy.
Britain is next with Cameron's 'snoopers charter'
http://www.globalresearch.ca/britains-a ... ts/5451025
http://www.globalresearch.ca/britains-a ... ts/5451025
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There is only one problem with that article.
It is emotive and contains no proof whatsoever that the government intends to SNOOP on everybody.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not condoning the possibility that they might. But how do you expect them to detect and protect against the extremists without them screening all calls.
It is not as if they have a group of people listening to everything - it would take a huge number anyway - they would likely do the same as is already done in the US and especially on the transatlantic cable and satellite calls and pass them through speech recognition programs that listen for specific key words.
It is emotive and contains no proof whatsoever that the government intends to SNOOP on everybody.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not condoning the possibility that they might. But how do you expect them to detect and protect against the extremists without them screening all calls.
It is not as if they have a group of people listening to everything - it would take a huge number anyway - they would likely do the same as is already done in the US and especially on the transatlantic cable and satellite calls and pass them through speech recognition programs that listen for specific key words.
"Just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush" - T Pratchett
Hi, burn_IT.
Your argument stands to logic. However...
What worries me more is the lack of "methodical doubt" on the part of
police officers. During the War Measures Act in Montreal, Canada (October
1970), the police arrested a student composer with a French-from-France
accent -- a friend of mine -- who had his manuscript compositions in an
old worn out suitcase. The police thought his musical notes (real notes)
and annotations on lined music paper were some code for our then
"Liberation Front". When he said "No, this is a real composition I'm
working on, I'm a student of André Prévost (a well-known Canadian
composer) at University of Montréal" (which he was), they didn't believe
him. A case of reverse racial profiling, I suppose.
The police jailed thousands for a month without reason during our
"October Events", including ordinary trade union stewards, peace loving
hippies, junior college philosophy teachers...
Speaking of lack of "methodical doubt", the police in my town also seized
at that time all books at the college library whose title had "Discours" in it,
including "Discours de la méthode" by René Descartes, the foundational
essay for modern thought and science written in the mid 1600's. Of
course, how would a French-Canadian police officer of the time know the
difference between the "Discours de la méthode" by René Descartes and
THE communist "Discours" by Fidel Castro...
More recently, the London police shot and killed an innocent Brazilian man
during the "tube" explosions, probably because some Brazilians have a
skin color similar to that of some Mid-Easterners.
I'm sure some members here (Northern-Irish or Argentinian perhaps)
have much more hair-raising stories about police misunderstandings that
can have very serious consequences...
The moral of this story is (IMO): with this type of legislation, the police
can and will net in any individual that stands out, including artists,
originals generally, the village idiot as well as your run-of-the-mill loud
mouth. So beware of this kind of legislation, people: somewhere, some
time, for some silly non-political reason, you too may be a target.
Sorry for having been so long-winded in a "picture" thread.
BFN.
musher0
Your argument stands to logic. However...
What worries me more is the lack of "methodical doubt" on the part of
police officers. During the War Measures Act in Montreal, Canada (October
1970), the police arrested a student composer with a French-from-France
accent -- a friend of mine -- who had his manuscript compositions in an
old worn out suitcase. The police thought his musical notes (real notes)
and annotations on lined music paper were some code for our then
"Liberation Front". When he said "No, this is a real composition I'm
working on, I'm a student of André Prévost (a well-known Canadian
composer) at University of Montréal" (which he was), they didn't believe
him. A case of reverse racial profiling, I suppose.
The police jailed thousands for a month without reason during our
"October Events", including ordinary trade union stewards, peace loving
hippies, junior college philosophy teachers...
Speaking of lack of "methodical doubt", the police in my town also seized
at that time all books at the college library whose title had "Discours" in it,
including "Discours de la méthode" by René Descartes, the foundational
essay for modern thought and science written in the mid 1600's. Of
course, how would a French-Canadian police officer of the time know the
difference between the "Discours de la méthode" by René Descartes and
THE communist "Discours" by Fidel Castro...
More recently, the London police shot and killed an innocent Brazilian man
during the "tube" explosions, probably because some Brazilians have a
skin color similar to that of some Mid-Easterners.
I'm sure some members here (Northern-Irish or Argentinian perhaps)
have much more hair-raising stories about police misunderstandings that
can have very serious consequences...
The moral of this story is (IMO): with this type of legislation, the police
can and will net in any individual that stands out, including artists,
originals generally, the village idiot as well as your run-of-the-mill loud
mouth. So beware of this kind of legislation, people: somewhere, some
time, for some silly non-political reason, you too may be a target.
Sorry for having been so long-winded in a "picture" thread.
BFN.
musher0
musher0
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"You want it darker? We kill the flame." (L. Cohen)
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"You want it darker? We kill the flame." (L. Cohen)
Uff...musher0 wrote:I'm sure some members here (Northern-Irish or Argentinian perhaps)
have much more hair-raising stories about police misunderstandings that
can have very serious consequences...
Source:http://elfederal.com.ar/nota/revista/24 ... il-por-anoWith the current government, the rates of 10 or 12 deaths trigger or torture by month became a dead per day.
And it's a government recognized by it's policies in favour of human rights.
Remember: [b][i]"pecunia pecuniam parere non potest"[/i][/b]
"Conservatism. Putting the "mock" back into democracy"
We sadly have the same problem here in Australia, but very sad to see the insanity slipping over your southern border, musher0
We sadly have the same problem here in Australia, but very sad to see the insanity slipping over your southern border, musher0
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Was not my intention that you read it, just wanted to put the source I've found in a quick Google search with: casos de gatillo facil (easy trigger cases).musher0 wrote:@galbi: I don't know enough Spanish to read your article, but I know that you Argentinians went through hell because of a police state...
The lawyer in the article says interesting things like ..."The entire set of policies state repression is a foundational need for any government that administers a state divided into classes. What varies from one government to another is the shape, form, hue, speech and image that is presented to society."...
The police state you mention, is about the years of 'The Dictatorship' (1976-1983)?
Yes, for certain groups (social leaders, syndicalists, and social compromised religious people ) was a hell, but I was very young. The most near I saw , was a banner in my school saying 'Who is going to occupy their places' in reference of five priests of the congregation killed for being too much 'red' (communists).
Saludos.
Remember: [b][i]"pecunia pecuniam parere non potest"[/i][/b]
@galbi.
Yes, I was referring to those years.
That lawyer has a gift for concision, doesn't she?
I guess all societies have the reflex of "tightening the screw" in reaction to
perceived danger... The real danger for our democracies comes when that
reflex deteriorates into the expression of the leaders' inner demons or of
their greed.
BFN.
musher0
Yes, I was referring to those years.
That lawyer has a gift for concision, doesn't she?
I guess all societies have the reflex of "tightening the screw" in reaction to
perceived danger... The real danger for our democracies comes when that
reflex deteriorates into the expression of the leaders' inner demons or of
their greed.
BFN.
musher0
musher0
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"You want it darker? We kill the flame." (L. Cohen)
~~~~~~~~~~
"You want it darker? We kill the flame." (L. Cohen)
He was carrying what looked like a bomb.More recently, the London police shot and killed an innocent Brazilian man
during the "tube" explosions, probably because some Brazilians have a
skin color similar to that of some Mid-Easterners
He had been under investigation for some time.
He had no documentation
He ran and jumped a barrier to get away.
No he didn't act in a suspicious manner in any way!!
"Just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush" - T Pratchett
see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_ ... de_Menezes
Anything can "look like a bomb" if you are handling it gingerly. If I remember rightly, a briefcase bomb was left on a bus earlier.
You need to remember that London was on high alert after several earlier incidents.
I remember people actually saying they were afraid to go to work in the city that week; that was before this incident.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_ ... de_Menezes
Anything can "look like a bomb" if you are handling it gingerly. If I remember rightly, a briefcase bomb was left on a bus earlier.
You need to remember that London was on high alert after several earlier incidents.
I remember people actually saying they were afraid to go to work in the city that week; that was before this incident.
"Just think of it as leaving early to avoid the rush" - T Pratchett
1. I am making an appeal to Britons...Don't ignore the obvious evidence that this whole affair was orchestrated by your own government.
2. As with 9/11, the official, public version of 7/7 is inadequate, oversimplified and most likely an orchestrated deception. Little known reports in the mainstream media and alternative, independent research have made a compelling case for 7/7 being a false flag operation.
Hence the whole basis of the reason given for his killing = FALSE.
So what was the REAL reason?
2. As with 9/11, the official, public version of 7/7 is inadequate, oversimplified and most likely an orchestrated deception. Little known reports in the mainstream media and alternative, independent research have made a compelling case for 7/7 being a false flag operation.
Hence the whole basis of the reason given for his killing = FALSE.
So what was the REAL reason?
Hi, Sylvander.Sylvander wrote:1. I am making an appeal to Britons...Don't ignore the obvious evidence that this whole affair was orchestrated by your own government.
2. As with 9/11, the official, public version of 7/7 is inadequate, oversimplified and most likely an orchestrated deception. Little known reports in the mainstream media and alternative, independent research have made a compelling case for 7/7 being a false flag operation.
Hence the whole basis of the reason given for his killing = FALSE.
So what was the REAL reason?
Well I certainly wouldn't put it past our governments to create an event to
justify imposing martial law or equivalent on their populations.
Plus groups to create that event. Plus other groups to handle the groups
who do the actual terrorism acts. So as to blur the connection between
the government and CSIS, for example, and the terror groups.
In the Montreal, Canada, area, after the October 1970 crisis, investig-
ative journalists discovered that the RCMP itself had created not so mock
terrorist cells to fish out the real ones in the period from 1965 to 1970.
I mean the "mock" cells did themselves blow up a couple of mailboxes in
densely populated neighborhoods.
Your statement doesn't surprise me.
Bye for now.
musher0
musher0
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"You want it darker? We kill the flame." (L. Cohen)
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"You want it darker? We kill the flame." (L. Cohen)