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How to boot to USB in Asus X205ta notebook?
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thesun

Joined: 25 Sep 2011
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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov 2015, 18:43    Post subject:  How to boot to USB in Asus X205ta notebook?  

I have a new ASUS notebook x205ta with Windows 10 on it and after MUCH effort managed to get to the BIOS...only to find that instead of "hdd, usb, optical" or any options there's only one choice -- I've forgotten the exact wording but basically, there doesn't seem to be any way to tell it to look at my Puppy live-USB. In an older desktop with USB as the boot, the USB drive works fine and boots into Puppy great. But I am totally stumped here. I have gone through every option looking for anything close to adding USB as a boot...nothing seems workable.

So 1) is there a way to switch this to look for USB at boot?
And if not: What are my options for installing Puppy?

Thank you!

(Apologies in advance if this is a common issue -- I didn't find anything in searching for "can't boot to USB" that seemed right, most of that is just about selecting the BIOS. And I don't know what terms to search for. Spent about 2 hours last night trying to find a walk through and didn't get anywhere.)
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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Nov 2015, 19:26    Post subject:  

thesun...Welcome to Puppy.

"""""""

https://craftedflash.com/howto-video/how-boot-asus-eee-pc-netbook-usb-flash-drive

Youtube video >>
How to Boot Asus Eee PC Netbook from USB Flash Drive

"""""""

https://askubuntu.com/questions/551320/ubuntu-on-asus-x205ta

I got Ubuntu to boot without much effort.

Make a bootable usb stick of Ubuntu 14.10.
Use Rufus(Windows) or Startup Disk Creator(Ubuntu).

Copy this file (bootia32.efi) to /EFI/BOOT directory on the usb stick.

Turn Secure Boot off in the BIOS.

Boot from the usb stick.

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https://github.com/lopaka/instructions/blob/master/ubuntu-14.10-install-asus-x205ta.md

BIOS

press F2 before boot to get into BIOS.

Under Security

set Secure Boot Control to >> Disabled

Under Advanced

set USB Controller Select to EHCI >>
Save Changes and Exit

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The X205TA is a mixed mode EFI system
(i.e. a 64-bit CPU combined with a 32-bit EFI) without any legacy BIOS mode.

By default, the Jessie i386 installer images should boot on this machine via UEFI
and let you install a complete 32-bit (i386) system.

If you use the multi-arch amd64/i386 netinst or DVD image,
you will also be able to install in 64-bit mode.
You might expect slightly better performance that way, but the limited memory
on the machine (2 GiB) will become more of an issue.

https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA

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Also my posts...problem usbs.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=773925#773925

Probably some of the same....

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=767551#767551

Chris.
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thesun

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Nov 2015, 09:53    Post subject: Thank you!  

@Chris, thank you so much for the detailed help here. I won't be able to try any of this until tonight but just knowing that there's HOPE makes a huge difference.

I wasn't sure that mixing two questions in one discussion thread was kosher, hence the splitting up of them. And I'm not new to Puppy -- I've used a 5.x version for years on a system that had a hard drive failure...I took out the drive entirely, it's super fast, super quiet, and I've loved it.

For Quirky install to USB, I had been running the install from an optical .iso. You're saying that what I should do is install to my hard disk instead first, then run Quirky installer to install from the hard disk (where there will be space to unpack) to the usb flash drive? Yes?

That sounds simple enough but will I run into issues with Quirky overwriting my current (Fedora) system? I like running Puppy off a USB, without any footprint on the actual hard drive. Would I be able to get around this by running an optical .iso on a DVD+RW disc instead of the hard drive? Could Quirky write and unpack it there, then burn to USB flash and I'd be good to go?

Thank you again for the detailed help. Can't wait to get home and try it!!!

Smile
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thesun

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Nov 2015, 22:18    Post subject: Alas, that didn't work  

So I am stumped. I did change the boot to EHCI, Boot Security is disabled, but the only option for booting in the Boot Priorties window is "Boot Option #1 Windows Boot Manager."

I am very familiar with the stuff that's in the video, having booted from USB and changed the bios many times. The problem is that in this case there doesn't seem to be ANY option for a USB boot. Just one listing, "Windows Boot Manager" which goes right into Windows.

Any other help anyone can suggest?
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don570


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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2015, 16:56    Post subject:  

Barry Kauler wrote a page on how to boot a modern laptop
UEFI booting:
http://bkhome.org/quirky/uefi.htm
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bigpup


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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2015, 23:01    Post subject:  

On the X205TA,

Did You Do This?????

Quote:
press F2 before boot to get into BIOS. Under Security, set 'Secure Boot Control' to Disabled Under Advanced, set 'USB Controller Select' to EHCI 'Save Changes and Exit'

Plug the USB stick into the X205TA, start the system, and continue to press F2 to get the BIOS. From there, go to Save & Exit tab, and under Boot Overrid select the USB flash drive.


From this topic:
https://github.com/lopaka/instructions/blob/master/ubuntu-14.10-install-asus-x205ta.md

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YaPI(any iso installer)

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thesun

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Nov 2015, 01:06    Post subject: Further along, but still have problems...  

Well, I've tried a bunch of things and gotten further along.

1. I don't know why but I couldn't use the Quirky installer on one of my systems, a Dell XPS8100. Part of the problem was that it seems like a chicken and egg thing to have to have a hard drive involved when you're installing from a CD-ROM to a USB drive.

2. But even when I added a few flash drives, it still failed. Just froze.

3. On my system upstairs, an ancient Dell Inspiron 520 or something, it installed. Ran through, said it was complete, etc.

4. And when I put THIS flash drive into my x205ta...joy of joys, a second boot option appeared in the BIOS!!! Yay!!!

5. However, my joy was short lived: it doesn't boot. I can choose the 2nd boot option, but nothing happens. It either spits me back to the F2 screen or else boots right into windows as usual. Wtf...

6. I tried a few other things: neither a brand new install of Ubuntu 14.01 nor an old 5.2 version of Puppy was recognized by the x205ta.

7. But neither would the new Quirky USB boot in any other system.

So I'm thinking perhaps I just have a bad USB drive or a bad install? Could I have chosen the wrong file in the install process? At one point it prompted me for a file...I chose Quirky 4.0.7.1.usfs.sh (not remembering exactly, but I tried to choose the one that was most up to date). Did I choose the wrong file?

Any tips at this point would be great. I think the main thing now is to get myself a working live-USB...any ideas what I did wrong in making this one?
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bigpup


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Nov 2015, 10:55    Post subject:  

bigpup wrote:
On the X205TA,

Did You Do This?????

Quote:
press F2 before boot to get into BIOS. Under Security, set 'Secure Boot Control' to Disabled Under Advanced, set 'USB Controller Select' to EHCI 'Save Changes and Exit'

Plug the USB stick into the X205TA, start the system, and continue to press F2 to get the BIOS. From there, go to Save & Exit tab, and under Boot Overrid select the USB flash drive.


From this topic:
https://github.com/lopaka/instructions/blob/master/ubuntu-14.10-install-asus-x205ta.md

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When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected Shocked
YaPI(any iso installer)
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thesun

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Nov 2015, 11:31    Post subject: Yep...I did.  

Yes, I did exactly that and everything worked except when I clicked the "boot from USB" in Save & Exit, it just booted into Windows 10 again. The OPTION was there but it didn't work, so I'm guessing (just a wild guess) that maybe the live-boot I downloaded wasn't correct for the system. Should I have tried 32 bit instead of 64? Should I have gone with the Werewolf option instead of Quirky? Also, it asked me if I wanted to format as F2F or something...which was recommended, so I chose that, but should I have done Ext4?

Is there a way I can analyze my boot disk to see what's on it? It doesn't seem to be viewable.

Again, any and all help would be fantastic!!!
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don570


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Nov 2015, 13:42    Post subject:  

If you are using Barry's scripts to install quirky or werewolf to a USB stick
and then trying to boot with that stick......

Here's some advice...


You should be running Precise Puppy 5.7.1 while running these install scripts
because of old utility issues


For example I tried the latest Slacko to run the install scripts thinking that
it would compatible and was disappointed. Crying or Very sad
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thesun

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Nov 2015, 14:13    Post subject: Hmmm...  

Will Precise Puppy have the UEFI option that I need to run on the x205ta?
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don570


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Nov 2015, 15:54    Post subject:  

No. Precise Puppy is was developed before Barry Kauler started to investigate UEFI.

I was referring to the installing of the OS on a USB stick. A script is usually
used.


Among Barry Kauler's puppies , only recent quirky and the new werewolf supports UEFI.
A few other distros found on the murga forum
also support UEFI like Fatdog
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thesun

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Nov 2015, 17:19    Post subject: I need UEFI  

So that's my problem. I need UEFI. AND I need a live-USB...It was so easy and seamless when I installed 5.2 Puppy a couple of years ago. This time it's just been a nightmare. I started trying to do this 2 weeks ago in advance of a trip my wife is planning to take, to give her a secure way to check email and do online banking on net cafe computers, and to keep from using Windo$e on hers.

But she leaves in 2 days and I still don't have any kind of usable option for her.

Does anyone out there know if Barry's installer has worked? It certainly chugged away and SEEMED to be doing something, once I stopped trying to do it on my XPS computer. Everything looked right and it DID show up in the boot options. It just didn't boot.

Totally stumped. Still. Smile
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don570


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Nov 2015, 17:40    Post subject:  

Are you trying to install on a USB stick or have you made a partition
on your ASUS (which is easy to do)? I believe Barry's new installer script
supports both methods.

I use a USB stick with f2fs formatting which works well.

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thesun

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Nov 2015, 17:54    Post subject: USB  

As the title of the thread says, trying to boot to USB. Smile

So how did you create that USB stick you're using? Was it with Barry's installer?

A) I could have a faulty USB stick.
B) The file or F2F could be wrong
C) They Cybergods are punishing me
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