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thinking of dropping german support for Muppy
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MU


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Dec 2006, 07:53    Post subject:  thinking of dropping german support for Muppy
Subject description: legal issues
 

I think of removing my german localization from Muppylinux.

We actually have a discussion in germany, that people supplying or even using "Killer-games" will be treated with 2 years of prison.

As Muppy includes a Software-installer supporting international repositories with Doom and Quake, this might become a problematic issue.

I will move the "games"-section from dotpups.de to the US-server puptrix.org soon, and replace the startpage with a disclaimer, that for legal reasons I cannot provide further informations about Puppy in german. (I'll add links to puppylinux.com instead).

Muppy will continue as an international system, I might join our french group and replace the german locale with french ones.
My intention is to use one locale for tests, and later provide a mechanism to easily create other localized Muppys.

It depends on the decisions of our polititians, if this scenario will become true or not.

german:
http://f24.parsimony.net/cgi-bin/topic-indent.cgi?Nummer=54930&ThreadNummer=70785

Mark

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Dec 2006, 09:25    Post subject:  

First they want to ban Krampus, now this...
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QuoVadis

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Dec 2006, 08:31    Post subject:  german localization?  

Hello MU,

what about a switzerland localization. I think, there are nearly no differences in language and it would keep legalized.

greets Q.
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PostPosted: Mon 25 Dec 2006, 11:17    Post subject:  

no, this would be problematic.
A software available for public download, created by a german, in german language.
Judges will say, such a software is intended to be downloaded by germans, even if it is hosted in switzerland and has only suiss locale.

However, lets wait how the situation develops.

I still have the hope, that some fanatic politicians will finally be stopped by the parliament.

At least Stoiber now seems to be in some trouble for other reasons, so he might no longer have the power to fight for his restrictions concerning games.

I also will have a look on how other distributors handle this topic.
As long as there is a acceptable solution, I'll continue the german port, but I'm alerted and will keep an eye on this issue.

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PostPosted: Fri 29 Dec 2006, 01:25    Post subject: Good grief  

MU,

I guess you are well aware that that kind of mindset will be the death of most multiuse device development in Germany? Like at first, how could anyone start a company in germany that sells games for the PS2/3? Then that could be extended to any device that can play a game. What will the powers that be in Deutschland do when they figure out you can run a game on SAP?

How disasterous.
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PostPosted: Tue 02 Jan 2007, 18:43    Post subject:  

BTW Mark,

how did you make your entire translation ? I would like to localize italian Puppy but I'm getting in a stuck.

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Tue 02 Jan 2007, 21:41    Post subject:  

translation = 4 steps

1.) Puppys inbuilt scripts/wizards

They have no external languagefiles, so you must rewrite them.
This is not recommended, as the next update would overwrite your translation.
Instead, you should reprogram them, using variables instead of fixed strings.
Then send the modified version to the author (usually Barry or Plinej or me).

In Muppy this is not done yet, it will remain the last, most work-intensive step.

2.) add locale-files
/usr/lib/locale

You can install them with chooselocale, or add missing files like utf-8 from another distro.

3.) add languagefiles for applications like leafpad
Many apps put their translations to
/usr/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/
or
/usr/local/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/

Some are here:
http://dotpups.de/files/various-locale-files/

Others you might extract from Debian, Knoppix, Slackware.
A special case is Abiword:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=69888#69888

4.) Menu:
Muppy uses .desktop-entries in
/usr/share/applications
Those can include a translation ("XDG-menus").

Code:
[Desktop Entry]
Exec=abiword
Icon=abiword_48.png
Terminal=false
Type=Application
Categories=Application;Office;WordProcessor;GNOME;GTK;X-Red-Hat-Base;
StartupNotify=true
Encoding=UTF-8
X-Desktop-File-Install-Version=0.9
MimeType=application/x-abiword;text/x-abiword;text/x-xml-abiword;text/plain;application/msword;application/rtf;application/vnd.plain;application/xhtml+xml;text/html;
Name=AbiWord
GenericName=Word Processor
Comment=AbiWord Word Processor
Name[de]=Textverarbeitung-ö
Comment[de]=AbiWord Textverarbeitung
Name[nb]=Tekstbehandling
Comment[nb]=AbiWord Tekstbehandling


JWM does not use those, I use a extended Icewm for that.

For JWM use:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=7165

Mark
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PostPosted: Sat 06 Jan 2007, 01:19    Post subject: Re: thinking of dropping german support for Muppy
Subject description: legal issues
 

MU wrote:
I think of removing my german localization from Muppylinux.


If Muppy is provided in English with XDG localisation (another reason for utilisation) you will be OK?

Most Western 'sports' developed as training for the warrior mentality. Apart from America where war is developed for sport and profit.

So providing Puppy in 'American' (a language apparently) should ensure the right to play games.

. . . or you could just have fun. Good luck whatever you decide. Muppy is a Killer distro. A good thing in this context.

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