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New USB Sticks won't boot **SOLVED**
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DuMar

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Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands

PostPosted: Thu 28 Jan 2016, 15:21    Post subject:  New USB Sticks won't boot **SOLVED**  

I use puppy tahr now for more then a year and it's fantastic. It works just the way I like it and I got everything working, my printer/scanner, LibreOffice and so on. I already made a few copies on other USB sticks, I have now 4 working USB sticks, no problems so far. We use Puppy thar now on 2 laptops.

But now I wanted to use 2 mini USB Sticks from the brand Platinum because you don't have to remove them from the laptop. I bought an 8 and a 16 Gig.

I did what I always did, format with Gparted to EXT3, put bootflag on and install with the universal installer.

Both laptops won't boot, so I still use the old bigger USB Sticks. When I try to boot I only see a blinking cursor. When I mount the USB Stick I see all the normal files like there are on the current sticks.

What is the problem here? I would be very pleased to use these small USB sticks.

Kind regards, Marc

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cthisbear

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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jan 2016, 19:32    Post subject:  

I use the Falcon boot cd.

A heavily modified Hiren's with ERD.

I bought some cheapie 8 gig Cruzer Facet usbs.

Now I have never managed to get Falcon 4.6 to boot properly.
Other versions yes.

So I tried again and it works from the rear and front ports of my pc.

I also extracted LXPup64...it works as well.

BUT!!! >> It did part boot.

So I booted Puppy Precise...
then used GParted..
But LBA not ticked...so I enabled that >>> ticked it
and no more problems.

So maybe check that.
Or download Falcon and use his instructions.
Or use my Bootice link.

In either event....get back to us.

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Falcon How to.

The process for making this into a bootable USB stick is much easier
than in v4.5.

Here's the premise: there are two types of boot sectors that make something bootable:

- An MBR (master boot record) is in the very first sector of the drive. Usually it just says "Boot the active partition's PBR".
It contains a list of partitions, and points to the correct PBR to boot.

- A PBR (partition boot record) is at the very start of the *partition* (not the disk) and contains the code that boots the system from that partition.

A Flash drive (or other removable drive, e.g. an SD card) only has a
PBR since it only contains one partition.

To create an MBR (unnecessary), you would need to reformat the drive. You can get away with only using a PBR.
Some Flash drives may be using an MBR as well -
so we just need to check that.

Here's how you do it:
---------------------

(1) Use any flash drive. --
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REFORMAT IT. -- NTFS or FAT32 will both work. FAT32 formatted with 16kb sectors is best for most Flash drives.

(2) Extract the files from the ISO (do NOT copy the ISO itself) to
your USB drive.
(You should have F4UBCD, HBCD, BOOT, etc. folders in the
USB drive root.

(3) On the USB drive, browse to HBCD\WinTools and run BootICE.cmd.

(4) In BootICE, SELECT YOUR FLASH DRIVE
(important!) and do the following:
Click "Process MBR".
If it indicates "Unknown", skip this part.
Otherwise, verify that it's set to "Windows NT 5.x/6.x MBR".
Install it if needed. You can't really mess this up.

Click "Process PBR".
It will usually say "Unknown" here, but if it says NTLDR or BOOTMGR,
it's been formatted by Windows to run the Windows boot loader.
We need to change this to GRUB4DOS.
Select GRUB4DOS and click "Install/Config".
Use the default options.

b]Click "Parts Manager[/b]".
If any partitions are shown here, you've got an MBR (that's OK).
Select the partition and make sure it's Active -
if it is, "Activate" will be greyed out.
Click it if needed, and hit Close.

You're done!
You've now got a bootable F4UBCD Flash drive.
No external tools needed! :)

BUT!!!

It did part boot.

""""""""

Now I have found a version of Bootice on Softpedia.
A pretty safe site.
They host many Puppies.

The Softpedia site has 7 screenshots of Bootice process.

http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Boot-Manager-Disk/Bootice.shtml

"""""

http://falconfour.com/falconfours-ultimate-boot-cd-usb-v4-6-f4ubcd/

ISO: Version 4.61 from his Wordpress site.

http://falcon4.pccloud9.me/FalconFour%27s%20Ultimate%20Boot%20CD%20v4.61.7z

Chris.

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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jan 2016, 19:34    Post subject:  

This is a new problem found in several brands, it seems that these new sticks can be very small in physical size. SanDisk Cruzer Fit (USB2.0 only) is known to be a bootable USB stick.
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Moat


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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jan 2016, 19:51    Post subject:  

In the past, when I've had problems getting Puppy to boot successfully from a new USB stick, I would run Puppy's BootFlash utility first, and then re-format and install using Puppy's Universal Installer.

Always worked, always fixed whatever the issue was.

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/BootFlash

Bob
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Moat


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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jan 2016, 19:54    Post subject:  

8Geee wrote:
SanDisk Cruzer Fit (USB2.0 only) is known to be a bootable USB stick.


Best little stick, ever! Tiny, fast, reliable. I can't seem to find them anymore, though - may be out of production?

Bob
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slavvo67

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PostPosted: Thu 28 Jan 2016, 21:17    Post subject:  

Are you sure it's not a 2.0 vs a 3.0? 2.0 is painfully slow once you get used to the 3.0 sticks.
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DuMar

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Location: Apeldoorn, Netherlands

PostPosted: Fri 29 Jan 2016, 18:19    Post subject:  

Moat wrote:
In the past, when I've had problems getting Puppy to boot successfully from a new USB stick, I would run Puppy's BootFlash utility first, and then re-format and install using Puppy's Universal Installer.

Always worked, always fixed whatever the issue was.

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/BootFlash

Bob


Thank you Bob, your suggestion did the trick!! First Bootflash and then Universal installer with format to EXT3.

I got both USB sticks to work. Nice!!
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jan 2016, 01:31    Post subject:  

Great! Smile I'm not sure just what BootFlash does, but believe it has something to do with writing a required (FAT32?) boot sector to a drive that doesn't include one out of the box, or had been erased. A handy utility nonetheless... right alongside many other Puppy utility gems. Cool beans!

Bob
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jan 2016, 11:17    Post subject:  

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jan 2016, 11:39    Post subject:  

Burn_IT wrote:
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I was just going to contradict you! Wink
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jan 2016, 14:46    Post subject:  

moat:
eBay is your friend 10 for $35 (8Gb stubs).

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PostPosted: Sun 31 Jan 2016, 06:51    Post subject:  

Sure enough... even a 64 gb for less than $20. I just might have to snag one or two... http://www.ebay.com/itm/SanDisk-64GB-Cruzer-FIT-USB-2-0-Flash-Mini-Thumb-Pen-Drive-SDCZ33-064G-RETAIL-64/281219891059

Thanks Smile

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PostPosted: Sun 31 Jan 2016, 10:18    Post subject:  

Worth reading.
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PostPosted: Mon 01 Feb 2016, 16:47    Post subject:  

Indeed, worth a read. Those "64Gb USB2.0 drives" are ExFat, and may not be bootable. And they might not like a reformat. Formatting extX is ok on 8 or 16Gb , questionable on 32Gb and as above uncertain at best on 64Gb due to Fat-style initial fomatting
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PostPosted: Tue 02 Feb 2016, 15:32    Post subject:  

I avoid SanDisk. In my experience has troubles which cannot be fixed through simple reformatting - something about the firmware. but check to make sure the boot flag is on (gparted can do that) as a simple thing I do not think ppl mentioned yet.
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