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Pelo

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PostPosted: Wed 09 Mar 2016, 08:38    Post subject:  Languages in the world
Subject description: what about keyboards not existing, not only in Puppy, not existing at all.		  
Languages in the world (source : reverso)
Madre, damned Exclamation , where is French ?
Catalan, Catalogne, where is it ?
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PostPosted: Wed 09 Mar 2016, 16:11    Post subject:  
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Mar 2016, 04:51    Post subject:  
Am I wrong? "Most French 1st language people also speak other languages fluently." Unlike US citizens where 92% only speak US English. Reason: Foreign language has not be a student requirement in 3 decades (primary/secondary/collegiate levels).
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Mar 2016, 10:12    Post subject: Re: Languages in the world  
Pelo wrote:
where is French ?

18th (1.12%) according to Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers

But if you include 2nd language it moves up quite a lot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Mar 2016, 12:21    Post subject:  
gcmartin wrote:
Am I wrong? "Most French 1st language people also speak other languages fluently." Unlike US citizens where 92% only speak US English. Reason: Foreign language has not be a student requirement in 3 decades (primary/secondary/collegiate levels).
Hi gc.

If you could back up those statements with some sources, it would be best. But off
the bat, I'd say you're right: that is because of the economic position of American
English.

If you're the 1st economic power in the world, you can afford to snub other
languages... Other peoples come to you for your... money! (Sorry for ruffling the
feathers of the people of the Bald Eagle!) Smile

As to a reason among French-speakers themselves, I'd say perhaps 25 millions of
them live in federated states : Switzerland, Belgium, Canada. In a federation,
learning at least one of the other languages spoken in the land has to be national
policy to preserve national unity.

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In moeppyfan's references, I'm surprised NOT to see stats for aboriginal languages.

For example, In the Quid one-book French encyclopedia, 2000 edition, the quechua/
aymara group was listed as having 80 million speakers -- more than French native
speakers at the time. Now wikipedia says the quechua language only has 8,5
millions speakers.

What happened? Did the linguists redo the head-count? There was a tragic epidemic
nobody heard about in the Andes? The Quid was wrong? wikipedia is wrong?

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Also, I'm surprised to see that there is NO mention in those stats, of bambara, the
widely spoken language used for commerce in Western Africa. It's the equivalent of
swahili, but for West Africa.

Something's fishy here.

My 2¢. BFN.
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Mar 2016, 13:33    Post subject:  
Where on those graphs is US English mentioned??
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Mar 2016, 19:22    Post subject:  
Hi burn_IT.

US English is not mentioned in the graphs. I was replying to gcmartin's post.

BFN.
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Mar 2016, 19:33    Post subject:  
SO was I!!
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Mar 2016, 19:51    Post subject:  
gcmartin wrote:
Am I wrong? "Most French 1st language people also speak other languages fluently." Unlike US citizens where 92% only speak US English. Reason: Foreign language has not be a student requirement in 3 decades (primary/secondary/collegiate levels).

Actually, a knowledge of a foreign language is a routine requirement for getting a BS degree in science or engineering in the US. Where I went to college it took knowledge of TWO foreign languages to get a BS degree in electrical engineering. And I would guess that the majority of US high school students study a foreign language, although my perception may be skewed because I have lived mostly in states with substantial Hispanic populations, so Spanish is popular.

But yes, FLUENCY is low because as a practical matter, fluency -- and especially SPEAKING fluency, as opposed to READING fluency -- is rarely needed in the US.
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Mar 2016, 14:59    Post subject: French babies learn english when they are four years old  
French babies learn english when they are four years old, But learn no magyar, polish, russian. Euro is the commun currency, but english is the common language. Computers are still sold in pouces (inches) Inch is the length of the king's one, is not it ?
In the forum Puppy, perhaps french user speak english to french user, ignoring that both of are native from France. 'its a long way to Paris" "All roads lead to Chicago"
Please, speak french a little bit, we shall see 'la vie en rose'. Forum francophone is widely opened, you are welcome. Bienvenue chez nous.
However, i recognize I progress a lot chatting with you, Puppy Linux save old computers, but old french people too, never i had spoke so much english than since i practice Puppy. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 12 Mar 2016, 17:54    Post subject:  
Was that "see the World through rose tinted glasses"??
or more likely "life is rosy" which is closer!!
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Apr 2016, 21:30    Post subject: What is a pity for french native citizen is azerty keyboard  
What is a pity for french native citizen is the azerty keyboard. Only two countries use that.
Many countries learn two languages at school, but who practice the second one Question , excepted teachers and international business men (and Puppy users from Europe, of course)
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Apr 2016, 21:44    Post subject: Please, don't use your keyboard to play Puppy.  
The best keyboard in the world (console, in french)
Please, don't use your keyboard to play Puppy.
Something strange for me, only around thirty keyboards are available in Puppy. How do people do for typing in their native language ?
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Apr 2016, 23:38    Post subject: Re: Please, don't use your keyboard to play Puppy.  
Pelo wrote:
The best keyboard in the world (console, in french)
Please, don't use your keyboard to play Puppy.
Something strange for me, only around thirty keyboards are available in Puppy. How do people do for typing in their native language ?
There's a second set of different keyboards under "Advanced Keyboard" settings.

I leave teenager pelo to his "keyboard"! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Apr 2016, 00:07    Post subject:  
We have 11 official languages but English is a compulsary second language (which is good). I would say that the standard of English used by our "English as second language speakers" is quite good compared to what you will find in other countries.
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