Languages in the world
Languages in the world
Languages in the world (source : reverso)
Madre, damned , where is French ?
Catalan, Catalogne, where is it ?
Madre, damned , where is French ?
Catalan, Catalogne, where is it ?
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Re: Languages in the world
18th (1.12%) according to WikipediaPelo wrote:where is French ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers
But if you include 2nd language it moves up quite a lot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers
Hi gc.gcmartin wrote:Am I wrong? "Most French 1st language people also speak other languages fluently." Unlike US citizens where 92% only speak US English. Reason: Foreign language has not be a student requirement in 3 decades (primary/secondary/collegiate levels).
If you could back up those statements with some sources, it would be best. But off
the bat, I'd say you're right: that is because of the economic position of American
English.
If you're the 1st economic power in the world, you can afford to snub other
languages... Other peoples come to you for your... money! (Sorry for ruffling the
feathers of the people of the Bald Eagle!)
As to a reason among French-speakers themselves, I'd say perhaps 25 millions of
them live in federated states : Switzerland, Belgium, Canada. In a federation,
learning at least one of the other languages spoken in the land has to be national
policy to preserve national unity.
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In moeppyfan's references, I'm surprised NOT to see stats for aboriginal languages.
For example, In the Quid one-book French encyclopedia, 2000 edition, the quechua/
aymara group was listed as having 80 million speakers -- more than French native
speakers at the time. Now wikipedia says the quechua language only has 8,5
millions speakers.
What happened? Did the linguists redo the head-count? There was a tragic epidemic
nobody heard about in the Andes? The Quid was wrong? wikipedia is wrong?
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Also, I'm surprised to see that there is NO mention in those stats, of bambara, the
widely spoken language used for commerce in Western Africa. It's the equivalent of
swahili, but for West Africa.
Something's fishy here.
My 2¢. BFN.
musher0
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"You want it darker? We kill the flame." (L. Cohen)
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"You want it darker? We kill the flame." (L. Cohen)
Actually, a knowledge of a foreign language is a routine requirement for getting a BS degree in science or engineering in the US. Where I went to college it took knowledge of TWO foreign languages to get a BS degree in electrical engineering. And I would guess that the majority of US high school students study a foreign language, although my perception may be skewed because I have lived mostly in states with substantial Hispanic populations, so Spanish is popular.gcmartin wrote:Am I wrong? "Most French 1st language people also speak other languages fluently." Unlike US citizens where 92% only speak US English. Reason: Foreign language has not be a student requirement in 3 decades (primary/secondary/collegiate levels).
But yes, FLUENCY is low because as a practical matter, fluency -- and especially SPEAKING fluency, as opposed to READING fluency -- is rarely needed in the US.
French babies learn english when they are four years old
French babies learn english when they are four years old, But learn no magyar, polish, russian. Euro is the commun currency, but english is the common language. Computers are still sold in pouces (inches) Inch is the length of the king's one, is not it ?
In the forum Puppy, perhaps french user speak english to french user, ignoring that both of are native from France. 'its a long way to Paris" "All roads lead to Chicago"
Please, speak french a little bit, we shall see 'la vie en rose'. Forum francophone is widely opened, you are welcome. Bienvenue chez nous.
However, i recognize I progress a lot chatting with you, Puppy Linux save old computers, but old french people too, never i had spoke so much english than since i practice Puppy.
In the forum Puppy, perhaps french user speak english to french user, ignoring that both of are native from France. 'its a long way to Paris" "All roads lead to Chicago"
Please, speak french a little bit, we shall see 'la vie en rose'. Forum francophone is widely opened, you are welcome. Bienvenue chez nous.
However, i recognize I progress a lot chatting with you, Puppy Linux save old computers, but old french people too, never i had spoke so much english than since i practice Puppy.
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What is a pity for french native citizen is azerty keyboard
What is a pity for french native citizen is the azerty keyboard. Only two countries use that.
Many countries learn two languages at school, but who practice the second one , excepted teachers and international business men (and Puppy users from Europe, of course)
Many countries learn two languages at school, but who practice the second one , excepted teachers and international business men (and Puppy users from Europe, of course)
Please, don't use your keyboard to play Puppy.
The best keyboard in the world (console, in french)
Please, don't use your keyboard to play Puppy.
Something strange for me, only around thirty keyboards are available in Puppy. How do people do for typing in their native language ?
Please, don't use your keyboard to play Puppy.
Something strange for me, only around thirty keyboards are available in Puppy. How do people do for typing in their native language ?
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Re: Please, don't use your keyboard to play Puppy.
There's a second set of different keyboards under "Advanced Keyboard" settings.Pelo wrote:The best keyboard in the world (console, in french)
Please, don't use your keyboard to play Puppy.
Something strange for me, only around thirty keyboards are available in Puppy. How do people do for typing in their native language ?
I leave teenager pelo to his "keyboard"!
musher0
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"You want it darker? We kill the flame." (L. Cohen)
I was surprised to discover many Puppies undknown here.
language is as real problem for Puppy's activities.
I really have a good level in english because 30 years of real practice at work...
But ... but.. Most of people don't practice english, excepted songs or games.
And (Here i am not joking) it's very hard exercice..
Translation english french well it's the easier
Understanding the linux subject
Think about answer
Translate it to english.. (generally fast food, you are not at school, you trust your colleagues to guess what you are meaning)
That explains why there are forums and Facebook sites growing outside here. I was surprised to discover many Puppies unknown here. (sourceforge.net)
Forums very active are south america, and russian. Some versions of Puppies (jessie) or archlinux (russian) are in advanced (prototype) but run.
I really have a good level in english because 30 years of real practice at work...
But ... but.. Most of people don't practice english, excepted songs or games.
And (Here i am not joking) it's very hard exercice..
Translation english french well it's the easier
Understanding the linux subject
Think about answer
Translate it to english.. (generally fast food, you are not at school, you trust your colleagues to guess what you are meaning)
That explains why there are forums and Facebook sites growing outside here. I was surprised to discover many Puppies unknown here. (sourceforge.net)
Forums very active are south america, and russian. Some versions of Puppies (jessie) or archlinux (russian) are in advanced (prototype) but run.
Re: I was surprised to discover many Puppies undknown here.
I'm almost sure that "Je suis absolument d'acord avec ça" means "I absolutely agree with that".Pelo wrote:language is as real problem for Puppy's activities.
That is why several years ago, when I thought that world wide promotion of Puppy was a priority, in one of my first posts I proposed adding non-English language subforums in the "Beginners Help (Start Here)" forum to the ones that already existed in the "Users (For the regulars)" forum at that time.
My proposal was never carried out.
I'm not sure of what were the reasons.
Over the time I have discovered that some technical forums have threads that help people with difficulties with the official language.
I have thought that perhaps we should copy them here, in this Puppy forum, because that would not require changes in the forum's format nor would it increase the forum's staff work and there are chances it would help in reducing some of the problems that have been described in this thread.
It could even be carried out easily in the "Pour les francophones", "Für deutschsprachige Anhänger" and the "Usuarios de habla Hispana" subforums of the "Users (For the regulars)" forum
In each, (French, German and Spanish speaking) users could help other users with difficulties in the official language of each subforum.
Just thinking aloud.
Antipodal.
Re: I was surprised to discover many Puppies undknown here.
I can think of a number of obstacles.Antipodal wrote:My proposal was never carried out.
I'm not sure of what were the reasons.
1. Forum participation is all voluntary, so you get what you get.
2. An accurate translation requires someone who is fluent in both languages PLUS knows the subject matter in question. Not many people are going to meet all three requirements.
3. Computer technologies are particularly difficult subjects because many terms have very precise meanings, and often different precise meanings in different contexts, so that it is very easy to be misunderstood, even in conversations between two subject matter experts speaking in a common native tongue.
And as any regular visitor to this forum knows, the problem is compounded by beginners who often misuse certain terms (because they don't KNOW they're misusing them), which results a lot of confused back-and-forth before their questions are even understood, much less answered.
For all these reasons, someone who is (say) a native English speaker and an expert on bash, with a working (but not fluent) knowledge of French, might well hesitate to offer help in French for fear of producing inaccurate translations (in both directions) that only make things worse.
The only practical solution I think is for non-English-speaking subject matter experts to write the tutorials for beginners in their own language, or to do the translations of tutorials from English or whatever into their own language.
we have the philosophy of help between users
"2. An accurate translation requires someone who is fluent in both languages PLUS knows the subject matter in question. Not many people are going to meet all three requirements. "
Yes sure, people cannot describe the problems to solve in a fluent english, so they create forums outside here. Puppy is sucessfull in eastern Europe, many applications for Puppy are born there (Click 'about' to see who is the creator)
The harder is certainly for the german newbie to explain in english what is not working with his little Linux.
About help between users from same countries, we have the philosophy of help. But often the answer is known only by the puppy-buider, who has to keep informed what questions are asked about its Puppy. Now spanish Puppy builders have they own forum, they post here to promote, but receive complains in their specific forum... Or Facebook... Russian have issued a Puppy based on archlinux, they are back here. That is good for the Innovation. Wait and see.
And i should say a Puppy which is not british is completely ignored here... Pupppy is australian. It's not choking that the pedigree is a criteria... But England has lost the mundial of rugby in England, damned (The winner was not Italia ouf)
Yes sure, people cannot describe the problems to solve in a fluent english, so they create forums outside here. Puppy is sucessfull in eastern Europe, many applications for Puppy are born there (Click 'about' to see who is the creator)
The harder is certainly for the german newbie to explain in english what is not working with his little Linux.
About help between users from same countries, we have the philosophy of help. But often the answer is known only by the puppy-buider, who has to keep informed what questions are asked about its Puppy. Now spanish Puppy builders have they own forum, they post here to promote, but receive complains in their specific forum... Or Facebook... Russian have issued a Puppy based on archlinux, they are back here. That is good for the Innovation. Wait and see.
And i should say a Puppy which is not british is completely ignored here... Pupppy is australian. It's not choking that the pedigree is a criteria... But England has lost the mundial of rugby in England, damned (The winner was not Italia ouf)