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s-kami


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Apr 2016, 11:52    Post subject: language pack
Subject description: to translate
 

I have found a link:

http://mirror.yandex.ru/puppyrus/puppy/tahr_605_ppm_2_ru-1/

It would be a good base to creating a similar pack for PuppyRus-A.

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Apr 2016, 14:39    Post subject:  

rasul wrote:
if it would be of any interewst to you the porteus team has already built an Arch (actuall Manjaro if I'm not wrong) based porteus, aka nemesis ... it is not officially published yet, but you can find the link to it in their forum, it's lxde version is reported to be almost bug-free, as far as I know.
Godspeed
Installed the LXDE version today. Looks very good, thank you.

Pro wrote:
My friends and I are not fluent in English.
Some scripts originally written in Russian.

In the future, if possible we will try to become the English system by simply specifying the locale en_US
Привередливые какие - русский язык им видите ли непонятен. А вы нам не указ - нечего тут капризы - то разводить. Ишь чё удумали. А сдругой стороны, рассмешили народ и то ладно. Главное, чтобы войны не было ©

Just kidding, some light-hearted needling - untranslatable.

There's something, that makes PRA different. I think it's their obsession with minimalism. Minimalism to the extent, they'd rather not have a program at all if it's bloated. They are very meticulous about compiling - only an absolute minimum of dependencies. To ensure that they use a frozen Arch repository. That's why PRA is so light and snappy. What I don't like, though is their isolationism. Just don't understand it. And it's not a matter of their English being not fluent enough, there's something else to it. I don't know what exaclty, though. Maybe, they are protective about their work, something they don't want to share, I don't know. All I can say is this: Bring PRA here under murga's tent. You will not survive alone. There are just not enough users in Russia for Puppy Linux. There are not enough users for Puppy Linux in any given country. Just have a look at the recent poll - that's an indication of Puppy users worldwide. Maybe expanding the existing projects will add momentum and attract more users, I don't know. Something new is needed - Arch/JWM/Rox - be it PRA or Porteus will make a huge difference for this community.
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PostPosted: Thu 07 Apr 2016, 19:17    Post subject: Re: language pack
Subject description: to translate
 

s-kami wrote:
I have found a link:

http://mirror.yandex.ru/puppyrus/puppy/tahr_605_ppm_2_ru-1/

It would be a good base to creating a similar pack for PuppyRus-A.
No it`s langpack for Tahr Puppy, not for PuppyRus-A

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What I don't like, though is their isolationism. Just don't understand it. And it's not a matter of their English being not fluent enough, there's something else to it. I don't know what exaclty, though. Maybe, they are protective about their work, something they don't want to share, I don't know.
pfs-utils published on github.com. Kernel source, BUILD files for packages and more find http://mirror.yandex.ru/puppyrus/
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Apr 2016, 17:45    Post subject: PuppyRus-A from Russia
Subject description: PuppyRus-A from Russia
 

Pro wrote:
pfs-utils published on github.com. Kernel source, BUILD files for packages and more find http://mirror.yandex.ru/puppyrus/

Несколько пояснений для них Wink.
Some explanations:

Distributive PuppyRuS-PRA (based on Arch) builtin with using pfs-packages(SquashFS), like Slax/Porteus or ChoicePup/LazY and use modifying porteus-initrd.
Pfs-package - extended package's format of sfs/lzm/xzm-packages (with the SquashFS-v4 file system, type of data compression - xz).
An alone pfs-package may consist of data+service information(version, md5, depends, etc....) from one pfs-package(single-pfs-package) or may contain any other pfs-packages(multi-pfs-package).
See :
http://wiki.puppyrus.org/puppyrus/pra?&#%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B9
- russian language, or
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.puppyrus.org%2Fpuppyrus%2Fpra%3F%26%23%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B9&edit-text=
See also:
http://forum.puppyrus.org/index.php?topic=17929.0 - russian language.
or
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.puppyrus.org%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D17929.0&edit-text=&act=url

After a simple renaming of the pfs-package's extension to the sfs-package's extension(some*.pfs -> some*.sfs) you can use this some*.sfs in the other Puppy's Derivatives(like Slacko/Trusty/Precise/Lucid - with support SquashFS v4) as standart/main sfs-package.

Pfs-utils - the tools for working with Pfs-packages(see: https://github.com/pfs-utils/pfs-utils).
Pfs-utils allow open/load/unload/create/extract/merge .pfs-packages, converts .pet-packages to .pfs-packages.
See more: http://wiki.puppyrus.org/puppyrus/pr218/pfs -russian language.
or
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.puppyrus.org%2Fpuppyrus%2Fpr218%2Fpfs&edit-text=

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Apr 2016, 03:09    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,
Figured out the pfs thing right off.
But thanks for the last link!
Cool that will be helpful...
Many guis have multiple choice buttons, and I'm not having much luck guessing. Wink
But, as I said @ the Puppy Linux Users Group on Facebook (please join) its like a challenging game.
I know the Puppy structure, and that helps.
Once I found the Terminal.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Apr 2016, 07:46    Post subject: to translate in our native language
Subject description: The harder of the linuxian activity is translation.
 

the main problem for most of us is to translate in our native language, all day long, even russian, magyar, sometimes japanese (where light puppies are issued )
Skamilinux will help you
Try a chinese Puppy, puppyluvr (mapis). You shall see that it's not so difficult to use Puppy, without knowing the language. Icons help you, and usr share applications will provide in english the starting point (never translated there)
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anikin

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Apr 2016, 08:46    Post subject:
Subject description: PRA wiki
 

I didn't know Google can translate whole web pages. Here's how it understands PRA wiki:
http://wiki.puppyrus.org/puppyrus/pra
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.puppyrus.org%2Fpuppyrus%2Fpra&edit-text=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.puppyrus.org%2Fpuppyrus%2Fpra&act=url

@ Pro,
when I started playing with PRA it offered all 3 levels:

1. Game
2. Middle
3. Base (praXX-YYMM.iso)

Your wiki now says only the first 2 options are available Sad Does this mean, PRA becomes a little bit fatter, than it used to be? Is this a final decision? Can you, please clarify this for me? And really not important, but I wouldn't use the word "Middle" in the name of ISO (немного коряво звучит в данном кнтексте как "Промежность") - maybe, "Mid-level", "Medium"?

edit
There are some wrinkles in the translation though:

Neubivaemaya - non-destructible
module sohraneniya.pfs - save module.pfs
designer WM + FM modules - (WM + FM) module builder

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Atle

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PostPosted: Sat 09 Apr 2016, 20:46    Post subject:  

Did a download... tried the usual "cheat boot" with just dashing all files from iso and the a treat it with a round of Grub4Dos... And it would not be found...

So i messed up the files and it booted. Extremely fast I must say. Possibly the fastest I have seen since I tested Soluz. And that was fast, but just from USB for some reason.

But congrats... Must be at least the most fast 32bits, if not the fastest puppy in town.
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Apr 2016, 21:13    Post subject:  

The PuppyRus ISO's are available on SourceForge, also.
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Apr 2016, 08:04    Post subject:
Subject description: locale
 

How to localize:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/locale
https://wiki.debian.org/Locale
https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage

(Big and Trustworthy) Brother Google continues to do an awesome translating job:
http://wiki.puppyrus.org/programming/intern
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.puppyrus.org%2Fprogramming%2Fintern&edit-text=&act=url

Changing a locale is a trivial task. In my own (very outdated, as it turns out) install, I just had to issue a command in the terminal. I found that command in Arch wiki. However, the problem is, most of the GUI dialogs will stay unaffected - they will continue to talk to you in Russian. Because, all those dialogs are localized apps. They have nothing to do with the system locale. When it comes to localizing a distro, being language savvy isn't enough - you don't even have to be language savvy! All that's needed is some understanding of coding. So, if we want PRA to be usable outside Russia, then we will need either to convince its developers to stop their current work and refocus on porting PRA back into en_US. Or, find an outsider for the job ... or learn Russian and unconditionally and irrevocably accept it as your native language.
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Apr 2016, 11:36    Post subject:  

just wondering... Is this a true puppy linux or is it a bit more like DebianDog that is not really a puppy, but somehow fits into the family anyhow...

It looks far from Puppy to me. Not that I could understand much due to my lack of Russian language.

I guess the main question is...

Is it built from Woof?

It looks to me as a hybrid of Arch and Solus, but its hard to say as its still @greek@ to me.

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PostPosted: Sun 10 Apr 2016, 11:51    Post subject: Rus-A
Subject description: testing
 

downloaded pra03_en-1603middle3 iso, installed to a usb using rufus. installed pysol, using pcman gui. can't read russian so taking things slowly. managed to guess my way to creating a save file and it's working across boots. posting from it. can't fix the clock setting, it only list asia and europe. fast and stable. put devx and a spider game module in appropriate folders and they load up fine. like what you've done Very Happy gonna be using it for the next few days.
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Apr 2016, 13:22    Post subject: Rus-A
Subject description: sound
 

sound card doesn't load. was working but this session inop. you have a boot option?
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Apr 2016, 14:20    Post subject:  

Atle wrote:
Is it built from Woof?
No, it isn't built from Woof. However, PRA is a very much Puppy-like distro. A couple posts above there's a link to Google translated PRA wiki, I think it explains PRA's background and origins. At least it tries to explain Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Apr 2016, 14:36    Post subject: Re: Rus-A
Subject description: sound
 

neur1 wrote:
sound card doesn't load. was working but this session inop. you have a boot option?

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.puppyrus.ml%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D17551.msg109085
and
If you booting with option "copy2ram", after all the required settings, you need to create a save file: save-xx.pfs(script create-save-pfs):
"Меню - настройки - Создание файла сохранения.pfs"
or
"Menu - Settings - Создание файла сохранения.pfs"
or
"Menu - Settings - Making user save-file"

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