Puppy - Which programs do you need/want?

What features/apps/bugfixes needed in a future Puppy
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#21 Post by B.K. Johnson »

K3b is reputedly the best Linux CD burner. That's the program that I would want to try on tahr or slacko.

Quote from a lifehacker article:
It is a KDE program, however, meaning if you use any other desktop environment it'll require a good amount of KDE dependencies to install, which some users don't like.
Apart from the technical reason, there may be a political reason why it hasn't been done in mainstream puppy.

Anyone up to the challenge?
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#22 Post by Robert123 »

It has been used in the past in puppy, Example
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=71862
Devuan Linux, Stardust 013 (4.31) updated [url]https://archive.org/details/Stardustpup013glibc2.10[/url]
s57(2018)barebone[url]https://sourceforge.net/projects/puppy-linux-minimal-builds/files/s57%282018%29barebones.iso/download[/url]

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#23 Post by greengeek »

B.K. Johnson wrote:K3b is reputedly the best Linux CD burner. That's the program that I would want to try on tahr or slacko.
Any particular reason why the other existing tools are lacking in features? Have you tried Peasy disc tools?

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#24 Post by B.K. Johnson »

greengeek wrote:
B.K. Johnson wrote:
K3b is reputedly the best Linux CD burner. That's the program that I would want to try on tahr or slacko.
Any particular reason why the other existing tools are lacking in features? Have you tried Peasy disc tools?
I emphasize try. If I heard New Zealand butter was the best butter, I would want to sample it. :) I did not say other tools were lacking in features, though they might. I just want to try what is reputedly the best.
Re Peasy:
Yes, I have tried Peasy. see post starting here and ending here.
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#25 Post by Rattlehead »

musher0 wrote: You can modify the lighting in your computer studio using
curtains and lamps, can you not?
Clarification is in order. My previous comment was the nutshell version of the thing. What F.lux and other programs of its kind do (and the physical screen filters too), is eliminating the blue light component from the light beam. It seems blue light frequency, close to UV rays, is the most harmful for the eyes. What you want is reducing the blue component as much as possible, but keeping red light untouched as much as possible.

Disclaimer: my source is Youtube, so this explanation might not be 100% exact. It is what I got out of watching videos from several guys and collecting what all of them coincided upon.

In case someone is interested, here's a link to a guy who runs a gorilla experiment on several filters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM0sBgVSSgs

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#26 Post by greengeek »

B.K. Johnson wrote:K3b is reputedly the best Linux CD burner. That's the program that I would want to try on tahr or slacko.

... I just want to try what is reputedly the best.
....Yes, I have tried Peasy. see post starting here and ending here.
Yes, I see your point.

I seem to recall there are some puppies that were focused on handling the KDE range of programs. Hopefully someone may be able to post some info on what it takes to run such things - ie: what would need to be added to Tahr or Slacko etc to run them.

I seem to recall a number of comments that KDE was too weighty for the puppy environment but I would imagine modern machines would have no issues.
Rattlehead wrote:What F.lux and other programs of its kind do (and the physical screen filters too), is eliminating the blue light component from the light beam
On the basis of your recommendation I gave F.lux a go - it's nice that they have a Linux native version. I had mixed success - if I entered the zipcode 90210 (which I think is Hollywood or somewhere similar) the screen slowly dimmed to a much softer light. However if I tried to enter my local NZ zipcode (or even Canadian zipcodes) it didnt recognise them. I also tried entering longitude and latitude but it didnt seem to understand them. And then at one point the screen went into this weird flashing between a blue tint and a rose coloured tint. Nearly turned me epilleptic :-)

I think it could be a useful program but I suspect needs fine tuning for local needs. I only used the older cli interface which i was able to download as a .tgz - I suspect the gui method would have been much better but I am not familiar with github yet.

Properly configured F.lux could be a good addition to Puppy.

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#27 Post by Burn_IT »

Programs such as flux are little use to you unless you have first calibrated your screen and set your graphics card up to produce a natural light setting in the first place.
It is unlikely to be useful on standard laptop screens which tend towards a cool green/reddish tint anyway.

By all means use it to dim the back light especially if you are using your screen in bed as it will encourage tiredness.
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#28 Post by Sailor Enceladus »

greengeek wrote:if I entered the zipcode 90210 (which I think is Hollywood or somewhere similar)
Beverly Hills 90210. That's the random zip code I always put in to places that need one too, hahah
Rattlehead wrote:What F.lux and other programs of its kind do (and the physical screen filters too), is eliminating the blue light component from the light beam. It seems blue light frequency, close to UV rays, is the most harmful for the eyes. What you want is reducing the blue component as much as possible, but keeping red light untouched as much as possible
So this forum should really be red instead of blue? edit: And your avatar as well? :lol:
Burn_IT wrote:It takes a little work, but there is an add on called CLASSIC THEME RESTORER which makes later versions look like earlier ones so you get the later security fixes but keep the good old looks.
I use it.
Last time I tried it wasn't the same, ie. tabs were shorter, but didn't try any customization. Might give it another go...

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#29 Post by TyroBGinner »

I have often used Jana Valley New Zealand butter. Nice - it has a light, clean, sweet flavor...a bit like ice cream.

For zip codes, I use 90125.

Much of what is packaged with puppy versions, especialy older ones, is far outstripped by mainstream open-source material. You have to give up a lot for compactness.

Newer versions are often improvements and reperesent an advantage to upgrading.

I am requesting the current version of TeX, but certainly no one should break their neck trying to provide it - the TeX Live iso serves its purpose pretty well.

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#30 Post by greengeek »

TyroBGinner wrote:I am requesting the current version of TeX, but certainly no one should break their neck trying to provide it - the TeX Live iso serves its purpose pretty well.
Yikes!! This link says the iso is 2GB ! Surely there can't be a puppy fat enough to run that can there??

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greengeek wrote:
TyroBGinner wrote:I am requesting the current version of TeX, but certainly no one should break their neck trying to provide it - the TeX Live iso serves its purpose pretty well.
Yikes!! This link says the iso is 2GB ! Surely there can't be a puppy fat enough to run that can there??
I think the way to do it rather than as part of the intial iso is to do a science/math service pack for puppylinux.

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#32 Post by nic007 »

I think a standard barebones puppy (32 and 64 bit) should be issued with necessary drivers, networking, printing intact. Then we need a dedicated repository for applications ie. Pets, sfs's, etc. which will all work with this standard issue (the necessary libs included). This will make things easier and give the user freedom of choice.

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#33 Post by Sailor Enceladus »

nic007 wrote:I think a standard barebones puppy (32 and 64 bit) should be issued with necessary drivers, networking, printing intact. Then we need a dedicated repository for applications ie. Pets, sfs's, etc. which will all work with this standard issue (the necessary libs included). This will make things easier and give the user freedom of choice.
I like this approach too, having an almost empty menu and then populating it with whatever you need/want from PPM after.

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#34 Post by learnhow2code »

Sailor Enceladus wrote:I like this approach too
why hasnt anyone made a pup yet specifically for running woof-ce?

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#35 Post by greengeek »

Rattlehead wrote:. What F.lux and other programs of its kind do (and the physical screen filters too), is eliminating the blue light component from the light beam.
Mike Walsh just posted re a similar program here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 322#919322

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#36 Post by nic007 »

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
nic007 wrote:I think a standard barebones puppy (32 and 64 bit) should be issued with necessary drivers, networking, printing intact. Then we need a dedicated repository for applications ie. Pets, sfs's, etc. which will all work with this standard issue (the necessary libs included). This will make things easier and give the user freedom of choice.
I like this approach too, having an almost empty menu and then populating it with whatever you need/want from PPM after.
To add to this approach, users should be encouraged to rather use sfs-addons instead of installing stuff and/or doing remasters which is unnecessary. Keep it simple.

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#37 Post by s243a »

nic007 wrote:
Sailor Enceladus wrote:
nic007 wrote:I think a standard barebones puppy (32 and 64 bit) should be issued with necessary drivers, networking, printing intact. Then we need a dedicated repository for applications ie. Pets, sfs's, etc. which will all work with this standard issue (the necessary libs included). This will make things easier and give the user freedom of choice.
I like this approach too, having an almost empty menu and then populating it with whatever you need/want from PPM after.
To add to this approach, users should be encouraged to rather use sfs-addons instead of installing stuff and/or doing remasters which is unnecessary. Keep it simple.
I think that in most cases SFS are preferable. However, I have noticed that when you are using large amounts of ram, sfs might get pushed partly into the swap partition. As a consequence, perhaps it makes sence to have for instance one browser installed as a pet, and have the rest as sfs files which can be easily unloaded or re-loaded if needed.

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#38 Post by nic007 »

s243a wrote:
nic007 wrote:
Sailor Enceladus wrote: I like this approach too, having an almost empty menu and then populating it with whatever you need/want from PPM after.
To add to this approach, users should be encouraged to rather use sfs-addons instead of installing stuff and/or doing remasters which is unnecessary. Keep it simple.
I think that in most cases SFS are preferable. However, I have noticed that when you are using large amounts of ram, sfs might get pushed partly into the swap partition. As a consequence, perhaps it makes sence to have for instance one browser installed as a pet, and have the rest as sfs files which can be easily unloaded or re-loaded if needed.
If you have lots of RAM you do not need a swap partition or a swap file. Generally, sfs's are not loaded into RAM but when you use the application part of it will reside in RAM or swap . If you add SFS's to a zdrv, it will load fully into RAM if you have enough RAM.

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#39 Post by rufwoof »

Fred has a couple of features in DebianDog64 to extend the amount of ram allocated to changes being recorded in memory space, and to flag up (pop up message) when that memory is getting low. A nice extension to that would be to allocate swap file space ... somewhat dynamically. Most of the time swap might be idle/unused, but comes in handy to keep the system running when heavily loaded, such as video rendering in memory space.

Detect when memory is getting low (as per Fred's script) and ...

dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1024k count=1024
mkswap swapfile
swapon swapfile

type thing (that creates and activates a 1GB swapfile)

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#40 Post by greengeek »

rufwoof wrote:Detect when memory is getting low (as per Fred's script) and ...

dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1024k count=1024
mkswap swapfile
swapon swapfile

type thing (that creates and activates a 1GB swapfile)
Interesting idea. Where does it create it?

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