Windows 8, 8.1 and 10: How to Boot Puppy

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Re: Example of Ted Dog's Method: UEFI boot from USB-Stick

#21 Post by cat&dog »

mikeslr wrote:Hi All,

Just to call your attention to Cat&Dog's successful use of Ted Dog's "Ready-Made" UEFI Boot-files, enabling FatDog701 to be booted from a USB-Stick.

Cat&Dog provides a Step-by-Step explanation of what was done, including modifications of Grub. http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 706#865706

Note this method resulted in (what I referred to previously as) loop-booting FatDog701's ISO.

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Hi Mike,
I am glad to test and report on my Fatdog64-701 secureboot install on a pendrive, using Ted Dog's method.

In addition to my step by step explanation, and in reply to your PM, I would like to point out the following:

1. I don't see no lack of a native ability to create SaveFiles.
I created my savefile as usual and it is working all right, so far!

2. You don't need to mount the ISO image before copying it to pendrive. You just need to copy the ISO file: a normal file copy.

3. Yes you can put the ISO into a directory rather than in the root directory of the USB stick, if you so wish, and edit the grub menu accordingly.

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#22 Post by bones01 »

Mikeslr, thanks for putting all this together. I haven't had any trouble running Puppy on my Windows 10 laptop from a USB, but was really frustrated that I couldn't mount the Windows drive or access my files there because "windows had not shut down properly". Searching google and microsoft didn't help me find the answer, but your first post did.

And I'm a little embarrassed that the answer was really as simple as unchecking a box.

But I found the answer here, and for that I am grateful to you.

Enjoy your day.

Bones
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Precise Puppy 5.4 live DVD
Precise 5.7.3 on USB

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Important Info regarding Windows 10

#23 Post by mikeslr »

Hi All,

Fortunately, cthisbear has some experience with Windows 10 and replied [2nd Post] on this thread: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 098#871098.

Hopefully, the instructions pertain to Windows 10 installations beyond those on the ASUS notebook x205ta there involved.

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Another Option

#24 Post by mikeslr »

Hi All,

Thanks to starhawks response to a question on the Beginners Forum this link, its procedure, and the downloadable bootimage were called to our attention:

http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/linux ... -released/

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#25 Post by starhawk »

:shock:

Thanks for the cred, man!

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Success using Lick V0.4 on Windows 10 Computer

#26 Post by mikeslr »

Just a link to, as of this date, the last four posts on the Puppy Window Installer thread I considered worth knowing about. http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 935#863935

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Possible solution to locked out after Windows 10 install

#27 Post by mikeslr »

Hi All,

Just a link to more good information by cimarron regarding problems booting Windows 10 with possible solutions. http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... fd0#878278.

The link is to his last reply. So read the entire short thread to understand prior efforts and the context.

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TURN OFF FAST-BOOT

#28 Post by mikeslr »

Hi All,

Just a reminder to turn off FAST Boot even if you can boot into your Pup. Fast Boot may still prevent you from accessing hard-drives. http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 902#878902. Thanks, vvvora, for the pointer.

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Frugal install on a Linux partition using LICK bootloader

#29 Post by Wognath »

A bump for this topic, which has been very useful. Many thanks, mikeslr.

My daughter recently purchased a Toshiba Satellite C55-B5240X laptop with Windows 10. We used LICK 0.4 to install Fatdog 701 to the ntfs partition, and it worked very well. Once the trial period of the laptop was over, she wanted Linux on its own partition. It was a fairly simple process to do that and keep LICK as the bootloader.

All that was needed was to
-shrink the ntfs partition, make an ext4 partition (sda6)
-copy initrd, vmlinuz and fd64save.ext4 there.
-make a new entry in lickgrub.cfg (on the ntfs partition):

Code: Select all

menuentry 'Fatdog Linux' {
set root=(hd0,5)
linux /vmlinuz savefile=direct:device:sda6:/fd64save.ext4
initrd /initrd
}
EDIT: corrected line 2. sda6 = (hd0,5) :oops:

Once we were sure this worked, we deleted or moved all Linux files from the ntfs partition and deleted extraneous lickgrub entries. Then we transferred the contents of the save file into a save folder. (The grub entry must be changed to savefile=direct:device:sda6:/fd64save)

This works well, boots quickly--and it was easy 8) . Many thanks to noryb009 for LICK.

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Other notes

We followed recommendation to defrag ntfs partition, shrink it with Windows partition manager, then use gparted to make the Linux partition. We intended to make a new efiboot partition, but the Toshiba UEFI does not allow adding a new boot option.

Fast Startup (hibernate) is off http://barryk.org/quirky/uefi.htm. UEFI boot mode and secure boot are on; LICK has its own secure boot key.
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WARNING !!! UEFI + systemd = brick ???

#30 Post by mikeslr »

Thought Anyone whose computer uses UEFI should read this:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 675#888675

But don't stop there. Also read saintless's response next following and the references rufwoof then posted.

I'll echo rufwoof's comment about the discussion being over my head. I think, however, saintless has a valid point in questioning the source of the alleged incident.

Also particularly probative are the comments @ http://thenextweb.com/insider/2016/02/0 ... ide-linux/ from which I take two points:

1> The only report(s?) of the issue involved MSI laptops; and
2> It allegedly occurred when systemd deleted a directory which should not have been writable.

Which leads me to wonder whether UEFI had been builtin by the manufacturer of the computer or whether that computer originally was manufactured to use bios-to-bootloader/OS and retro-fitted to run as an UEFI machine?

As might be the case if someone "up-graded" a formerly XP or Windows 7 computer to Windows 10 or had that "up-grade" forced upon him?

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Puppy Linux Window Installer version 5 released

#31 Post by mikeslr »

Hi All,

This is just to bring to your attention that noryb009 has released verion 5 of his Puppy Linux Windows Installer. http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 502#890502

If this is your first attempt to boot Puppy from any computer, including one using UEFI, I would recommend that you try this first for two reasons: (1) it may work out of the box; and (2) if it doesn't, your reporting of the problems you encounter on his thread may help noryb009 to overcome such problems.

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UEFI Menu Entry & 32-Bit Pups

#32 Post by mikeslr »

Hi All,

Stumbled upon icake's post while looking for something else. Although icake was concerned with booting Puppies from an iMac --which employs EFI rather than UEFI-- and from a USB-Key rather than a Hard-drive, his procedure may have wider applications,

I thought, in particular, his handling of Grub's boot "menu" was particularly useful in avoiding a lot of guess work. Having unpacked UnicornPup* into a folder he named "live01" he edited grub.cfg to:

"... add these 6 lines (the last line is a blank line) at the bottom of the file:

menuentry "Puppy linux live unicorn 6.0"{
search --set -f /live01/vmlinuz
linux /live01/vmlinuz boot=live
initrd /live01/initrd.gz

"

Do read icake's entire post for context and a complete explanation: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 421#879421

After having developed his booting technique, icake took the time to explore which Pups could be booted using it. He has, further, provided a lists of both 32-bit and 64-bit Pups which could and couldn't be booted successfully. See his post for the list. Thank you, icake.


mikesLr

* Note UnicornPup is (a) 32-bit, and AFAIK 666philb did not employ any technique in order to build it as "UEFI-bootable".

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computers sold nowadays with windows 10

#33 Post by Pelo »

My computer is 2012 equipped Windows 7, so i would not be concerned by this topic.
but i want to underline that computers sold nowadays with windows 10 can run only Windows 10 , no window 8 or 7 or previous, and nor Linux
Because Microsoft has obliged computer makers to fit the hardware to what they need, if Not, Windows 10 will not be the default OS installed.
These computers will be only Windows 10,
On french forum, some users have abandoned their tries to install Puppy french desesperate puppy lover click the blues
boot is not enough, firmware modules don't exist (yet). :(

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I'm not sure Pelo's conclusion is entirely correct.

#34 Post by mikeslr »

Hi All,

In the above post, Pelo suggests "windows 10 can run only Windows 10 , no window 8 or 7 or previous, and nor Linux...boot is not enough, firmware modules don't exist (yet). :cry: "

Firstly, please note that neither Pelo nor I have computers which either require or even enable booting via UEFI. So while we both endeavor to help those who do, neither of us is in a position to report our actual observations. We can only report what others have said.

After reading Pelo's post, I clicked the link he suggested and used slimjet's builtin translation addon which leaves a lot to be desired.. After a couple minutes, I found my head spinning rather than clearly following the discussion. But the sense I got following links from his link was:

a) The initial failures date back to 2014. Linux in general, and Puppy in particular, has come a long way since then.
b) Despite UEFI, at least one person posted that he was able to use Linux Mint. If Linux Mint has required firmware, I doubt Ubuntu lacks it. And if Ubuntu has it, so must, at least, Tahrpup and its variants.

Those of us who try to guide new-comers only have access to a few of the scores of computer models out there. I note that as of this posting over 7500 people have read this thread. It would be nice if any of them having a Windows 10 computer would post back, telling us what worked and what didn't.

Thanks in advance,

mikesLr

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#35 Post by recobayu »

Hi All, just sharing.
I have windows10, ubuntu 16.04, linux mint 17.3, and so many puppy linux installed in my laptop (acer with ram 2gb).

I use YUMI to install puppy linux in my flashdisk.
After that, grub4dos can detect all my OS very well.

Oh ya, I turn off fast boot option in windows so I can save any file in ntfs partition safely.

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Reporting what works, what doesn't

#36 Post by mikeslr »

Thanks recobayu for the post.

It has occurred to me that it might be best to have a specific thread where users could report their experience of what worked, and what didn't.

So, I've opened one here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 093#896093

Edit May 15: Checked the above thread to see what was being discussed. Several techniques not mentioned on this thread were reported. Especially interesting was a method for setting up a USB-Key so that it could be booted from either a Bios or UEFI computer. :D Suggest it's worth a read.

Edit: the next day. :idea: :roll: It also, finally, occurred to me that a link to Yumi might save newbies some time.
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multi ... b-creator/

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#37 Post by James C »

recobayu wrote:Hi All, just sharing.
I have windows10, ubuntu 16.04, linux mint 17.3, and so many puppy linux installed in my laptop (acer with ram 2gb).

I use YUMI to install puppy linux in my flashdisk.
After that, grub4dos can detect all my OS very well.

Oh ya, I turn off fast boot option in windows so I can save any file in ntfs partition safely.
For what it's worth, my friend bought a new Windows 10 laptop a few weeks ago and immediately dual booted with Lubuntu before wiping Windows for only Lubuntu. No problems.

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#38 Post by nic007 »

I have never heard of a windows 10 only capable machine. I had windows 10 and frugal installs of puppy on the same machine. Deleted windows 10 and installed windows xp pro. Now have windows xp pro and puppy frugal installs on the same machine. A tip when running multi-systems (windows plus) - Do not install grub4dos to the MBR. I have had numerous occasions where this has messed up my MBR at some time. Rather copy grub and the menu.lst files to the windows partition and add a grub entry to windows boot initiation file (in the case of windows xp it's boot.ini). This is a very safe method.

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#39 Post by Mike Walsh »

Before I totally ejected Windows from my life (around 5 weeks ago, when I finally got Skype workoing in Tahrpup, thanks to watchdog,) I always had XP Pro on sda1, and simply installed the Grub4DOS files to that partition. As Nic suggests, it's pretty foolproof.


Mike. :wink:

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#40 Post by nic007 »

Mike Walsh wrote:Before I totally ejected Windows from my life (around 5 weeks ago, when I finally got Skype workoing in Tahrpup, thanks to watchdog,) I always had XP Pro on sda1, and simply installed the Grub4DOS files to that partition. As Nic suggests, it's pretty foolproof.


Mike. :wink:
Copy to the windows drive is a better description. Installing it via the grub4dos utility in the menu is what we want to avoid as this inevitably affects the MBR which I want to avoid with my approach. So, what basically happens is that the MBR with its bootrecord for windows stays untouched and I only add an entry for grub in the boot.ini. The bootup screen for windows then shows two entries, one for windows and one for grub (which you can name as something like puppy linux). You then choose which operating system to boot. I thought I wanted to make this clear.

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