Precise's future now that Ubuntu is moving to MIR

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miriam · #21 Post by **miriam** » Thu 07 Jul 2016, 21:24

I'm very relieved I don't need to consider moving from Puppy. I started using Puppy at Puppy2. I'd tried many different distributions (Mandrake, Debian, Red Hat, Slackware, and more) before finally setling on Puppy more than a decade ago. I've even tried BSD, Minix, FreeDOS, and other kinds of OS, but nothing else really measures up to Puppy. I got into programming through OS9 on the old ColorComputer from Tandy and AmigaDOS on the wonderful Amiga (in many ways still my favorite computer). Many different OSes are superior in one or two individual aspects, but none comes close to Puppy's range of great features. What a relief that I don't have to migrate from it!

I didn't realise earlier Debian software was archived either. Very good to know. Thank you.

Robert123 · #22 Post by **Robert123** » Thu 07 Jul 2016, 22:07

Not a problem.

Pelo · #23 Post by **Pelo** » Sat 09 Jul 2016, 18:50

"And here we are now with Ubuntu having deleted all their old archives so we can no longer add programs from them. That means Lucid and Precise are severely wounded... perhaps even fatally. "
They are still kept available in Puppy PPM.
Raring repository address now ok. Further info in forum francophone.

miriam · #24 Post by **miriam** » Sat 09 Jul 2016, 21:06

Pelo, interesting. Thank you. I hadn't noticed Puppy Raring before.

Looking at the archives on ibiblio I see it is about the same age as Puppy Lucid, which I tend to favor, though it has a more recent kernel. I'll look further into that. It might be a better choice than Puppy 528 Lucid if its PPM is able to access the old files still.

jlst · #25 Post by **jlst** » Sat 09 Jul 2016, 21:46

Most people would use an old distro to get accelerated propietary drivers to work.

Using Wary5 i thought it was fast, much faster than precise puppy, then I realized that videos play smoother in precise, that in fact precise was almost as fast, but it had bloat (i disabled all tray apps and most services).

Puppy has the Video Upgrade Wizard (does not work(, a Video Downgrade Wizard should also be nice.

After I installed a newer udev I noticed that it takes longer, but it does a better job. In the end the result is the same speed, etc. What probably makes people turn to older puppies is something that can be easily solved.

Anything below precise basically works the same, plays videos slower, but comes with less bloat (something that can be solved).

Unlike many other distros puppy hardly ever changes, which means you can throw a recent kernel, i.e: you can update, and it will make no difference (except speed perhaps), the difference is basically in Xorg and nothing else, but that can also be solved by downgrading xorg.

miriam · #26 Post by **miriam** » Sat 09 Jul 2016, 21:54

jlst, all very good points. I tend to keep with older Puppies. For me it's mostly about picking and choosing which bugs to live with.

For a very long time I stayed with Puppy 4.

Pelo · #27 Post by **Pelo** » Sun 10 Jul 2016, 06:22

Don't look the kernel. Judge only if applications run well. Lot of lucids apps are old, but they don't need to search dependencies. Some lucid apps as Xine-DVD allow you to read your DVDS in Xenialpup,
My answer was mainly for repositories. Ubuntu users keep the stuff available.
And Puppy users should do the same. Ally is great, copying everything in archives.org.
What could happen is that Lucid apps don't run newest computers, if you had one. But it's worth to try it, when no new version available... or too big
I must admit that audio was not working with Lucid on my new computer (2012) that was not fun at all and slacko 5.3.1 arrived as the messie.

rockedge · #28 Post by **rockedge** » Fri 29 Jul 2016, 07:20

@miriam

TO allow PPM in UPUP raring 3.9.9.2 to work and find the packages make these changes: (this modification works on Lucid as well)
OPEN /root/.packages/DISTRO_COMPAT_REPOS and
replace each "archive" in the URLs with "old-releases". For example

http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/${DISTRO_COMPAT_VERSION}/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2|Packages-${DISTRO_BINARY_COMPAT}-${DISTRO_COMPAT_VERSION}-main

To:
http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/${DISTRO_COMPAT_VERSION}/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2|Packages-${DISTRO_BINARY_COMPAT}-${DISTRO_COMPAT_VERSION}-main

this is a modified /root/.packages/DISTRO_COMPAT_REPOS =>

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#where to get pkg docs, format: domain|uri|localfilename...
PKG_DOCS_DISTRO_COMPAT="old-releases.ubuntu.com|http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/${DISTRO_COMPAT_VERSION}/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2|Packages-${DISTRO_BINARY_COMPAT}-${DISTRO_COMPAT_VERSION}-main old-releases.ubuntu.com|http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/${DISTRO_COMPAT_VERSION}/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2|Packages-${DISTRO_BINARY_COMPAT}-${DISTRO_COMPAT_VERSION}-universe old-releases.ubuntu.com|http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/${DISTRO_COMPAT_VERSION}/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2|Packages-${DISTRO_BINARY_COMPAT}-${DISTRO_COMPAT_VERSION}-multiverse"
#ubuntu repos...
#note, the local pkgs database file (or partname) is also appended to these entries, so know which url to download a particular pkg from (glob wildcard allowed)...
REPOS_DISTRO_COMPAT="old-releases.ubuntu.com|http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu|Packages-${DISTRO_BINARY_COMPAT}-${DISTRO_COMPAT_VERSION}-* ftp.filearena.net|http://ftp.filearena.net/pub/ubuntu|Packages-${DISTRO_BINARY_COMPAT}-${DISTRO_COMPAT_VERSION}-* mirror.anl.gov|http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu|Packages-${DISTRO_BINARY_COMPAT}-${DISTRO_COMPAT_VERSION}-* mirrors.kernel.org|http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu|Packages-${DISTRO_BINARY_COMPAT}-${DISTRO_COMPAT_VERSION}-*"

miriam · #29 Post by **miriam** » Fri 29 Jul 2016, 08:01

rockedge, that's great news!

Robert123 · #30 Post by **Robert123** » Sat 30 Jul 2016, 23:46

Hi Miriam and Rockedge,

Here is an attached ammended copy of Distro_COMPAT_REPO for Lucid
tested in Lucid 5.11Bare a cutdown 5.11 and it seems to work. Installed 2 programs using.

Take the .gz extension off and copy to .packages

rockedge · #31 Post by **rockedge** » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 00:04

@Robert123 Excellent. Thanks.

Robert123 · #32 Post by **Robert123** » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 02:21

No thank you Rockedge for keeping Lucid going with this simple little fix.

miriam · #33 Post by **miriam** » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 02:57

Thanks Robert123. I'm not running a Puppy Lupu at the moment, but I've grabbed a copy in case I do again. It was my favorite Puppy for a long time.

Robert123 · #34 Post by **Robert123** » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 04:30

Yep very stable and fast and found it to have great all round hardware support.

Robert

ahoppin · #35 Post by **ahoppin** » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 18:20

I've been using Lucid 5.25 since 2011 and it's still my favorite pup. In fact it's my favorite Linux distro, period, even after trying some other recent "light" non-systemd distros.

Lucid is stable, runs on almost anything, and has an enormous stock of software. It's not just the official repository, it's the pets from individual users, in these forums and elsewhere. They're not all the latest versions, but who cares?

I may have missed it, but I don't see that level of software support in any of the more recent puppies.

The only reason I'm finally considering a newer pup now is that Lucid 5.25 doesn't seem to speak USB 3.0.

I'm finding I like Tahr 6.0.5 pretty well, and am gradually getting it set up the way I prefer it.

I really wanted to like Slacko 6.3.0, to get further away from Ubuntu, but I just couldn't get it configured to my taste. The big issue is that I prefer Thunar file manager and Rox pinboard together, and I have yet to find a Thunar that works well on Slacko.

Xfm seemed like a kind of OK/acceptable substitute on Slacko, but I got too annoyed with its insistence on nagging me about running as root every time I launched it.

Maybe instead of moving to Tahr, I'll experiment with copying kernels from some of the later pups over top of the Lucid kernel. (Backing up the original kernel first, of course.)

At any rate, my thanks to the Puppy community for all their hard work on this sleek, spirited OS!

Robert123 · #36 Post by **Robert123** » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 18:29

You may like to look at these later developed Lucids with later kernels.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90461

ahoppin · #37 Post by **ahoppin** » Sun 31 Jul 2016, 22:22

Thanks Robert, I will try out some of those updates!

Robert123 · #38 Post by **Robert123** » Mon 01 Aug 2016, 04:44

Sorry should have made link active.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90461

Robert123 · #39 Post by **Robert123** » Sun 11 Sep 2016, 03:52

Further to my ammeded Lucid packages file Distro_Compat_Repos file here is one for good old Squeeze adapted from Medor's .pet as usual it is a .gz file to rename and drop into ./packages in root. Note for Debian Squeeze Puppy spins like Dpup Squeeze 009 etc - not for Lucid or other Pups.

Pelo · #40 Post by **Pelo** » Sun 11 Sep 2016, 08:06

Ubuntu packages are still available, in the archives. Just update the PPM in Puppy precise make the repos address changed. If not, pet is available in french forum, was made for Raring by Augras, but works for all Precise Puppies.
Remember, if newer tahrpup & sons prevent you using Your best applications, run a Precise Puppy to retrieve your freedom. Or the excellent DPUP squeeze, so full featured by Pemasu.
Even if you have just bought a brand new laptop, i bet these Puppies will run as well as on older hardware.
pet in "où sont les dépôts Ubuntu" Full topic is French spoken,
Our famous french devs ASRI-EDU and Argolance lately choose to keep Precise 5.7.1 as a base for their last releases, ToOpPy 2.1 and ASRI-edu 310. With no trouble (at least with PPM Ubuntu)

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Precise's future now that Ubuntu is moving to MIR

They are still kept available .

lucid apps as Xine-DVD save DVD users

Debian Squeeze - Ammended Distro_Compat_Repos

Just update the PPM in Puppy precise make the reoos address