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dancytron

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Nov 2016, 04:40    Post subject:  

Glxgears showed the graphics acceleration is working.

I have a Intel G31 Chipset graphics adapter. It has trouble with other things in linux (Google Earth's latest version for example). So it isn't surprising that it has issues with the latest fancy Ubuntu graphics.

I was testing for the sake of testing. I'm not going to actually use it, I like Debian Dog 64 for actual use (I use Chrome in it).

Dan
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fredx181


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PostPosted: Sun 06 Nov 2016, 05:43    Post subject:  

Nice job Flying Cat!

Running your blue version without problems, except the rox-pinboard problem dancytron already mentioned.
It's not a bug in rox, better call it a bug in the XenialDog setup.
It's because you removed /opt/docs/pictures/xerus.png and when rox can't find it the entry for backdrop will be completely removed in the config (causing that wallpaper setter doesn't work anymore).
Easy fix is right-click on any icon > Backdrop > drag and drop wallpaper.
From there on the wallpaper setter works again.

Do you mind if I add links to your posts about yakkety on the first post of this thread?

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The Flying Cat

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Nov 2016, 06:35    Post subject:  

Intel was (people say that modern acually pretty good) famous for their lack of... well, blatantly cheating with gpu) Unfortunately drivers on linux are part of kernel, so people want new kernels is partially because *yay new drivers*. But you still can install your own if you have any (like proprietary). Oibaf drivers is pretty good even in case of intel. But they still might not help, they usually just increase speed but if something missing on hardware level... In other words: compton says to cpu 'I want instruction beta-gamma from open gl!', cpu 'instruction done! hey, gpu render me beta-gamma from open gl!' and gpu answers 'I've no idea what are you talking about!' and that's why high load without anything happening. It's a common problem on linux that hardware (and actually software also) doesn't have full/correct open gl support.
Anyway, thank you for your input Dancytron:) By the way! Oibaf drivers is the reason I'm on Xenial/Yakkety Dogs)) Otherwise I would be sitting on the Debian Dog 64 also:D

Yes, Fred, you can do that) I would be glad!
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Nov 2016, 12:07    Post subject:  

The Flying Cat wrote:
Yes, Fred, you can do that) I would be glad!


Done!

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The Flying Cat

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Nov 2016, 14:03    Post subject:  

Cool) However, there are only 2 versions left. I might reupload reupload Green, but I simply might not be able to do that ^_^'
By the way I just remembered a few thing I forgot to mention about upgrading - if you fully remove 'software & updates' then you won't be able to enter 'repositories' setings in synaptic due to ubuntu puts comment line on XenDog rep '# Disabled during upgrade...'. I'll put a note about that now in posts.
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backi

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2016, 10:15    Post subject:  

High Flying Cat !

I installed Yakety Dog Blue to Usb stick, Porteus boot, save on exit only ...using an old Toshiba 3000 Intel Celeron m processor .....1 gig Ram .
Did not have much luck with it .
Very,very slow .....
Loading apps will almost last forever .....machine almost freezing .
Seems to be unusable on my old machine.
Never the less.... thanks for your effort.
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dancytron

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2016, 17:11    Post subject:  

backi wrote:
High Flying Cat !

I installed Yakety Dog Blue to Usb stick, Porteus boot, save on exit only ...using an old Toshiba 3000 Intel Celeron m processor .....1 gig Ram .
Did not have much luck with it .
Very,very slow .....
Loading apps will almost last forever .....machine almost freezing .
Seems to be unusable on my old machine.
Never the less.... thanks for your effort.


Did you try turning of the Compton thing (click on the blue gear in the toolbar?
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PostPosted: Wed 09 Nov 2016, 09:22    Post subject:  

Hi dancytron !

Turning off Compton did help .........now everything is running normal .
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Nov 2016, 11:41    Post subject:  

Same as in Xenial -Dog .....Frisbee did not find networks ......replaced/installed wifibox-tazpanel......now internet working fine .
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The Flying Cat

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2016, 10:15    Post subject:  

Hello everyone!
Just a quick heads up about new xenial updates: latest system updates + new kernel (4.4.0.47) gave me a huge boost in boot speed. System boots in 15 seconds, before was something like 22-24. So I don't think it's some storage shenanigans, i.e. bad bytes on flash.
I have quite beefy XFCE setup, with Wicd and ufw, before and now system was remastered with lz algorithm. Top 5 slow stuff according to 'systemd-analyze blame':
1.813s dev-loop1.device
1.791s dev-loop0.device
1.743s dev-sdb1.device
1.606s wicd.service (wicd before definitely was slowest with more than 2s)
1.397s ufw.service

Yakkety also have new kernels and system updates. Installing updates causes some 'udev error' (but everything working and installed so it appers to be some notification), which persists when installing something else. At least it immediately fixes itself if kernel is upgraded. Cannot test more now.
Will post updated yakkety in the first week of december.
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PostPosted: Tue 15 Nov 2016, 15:52    Post subject:  

Thanks Flying Cat, didn't try 4.4.0.47 yet but will soon.

There's one strange problem that yakkety has. When formatting (HDD partition or USB) to ext4 or ext3 and run the installer (or manually copy files and setup bootloader) the booting fails when using grub4dos or extlinux.
If the installing is done to a partition already created before from running Xenialdog (or from e.g. Debiandog-Jessie) booting goes fine.
After some digging I found that it's in changes from the new version e2fsprogs (1.43). It's in the way/configuration the partition is formatted.
Don't know why or what exactly they did. As GRUB2 is getting more and more the standard, maybe there's no problem with that, didn't test.

A workaround is to replace /etc/mke2fs.conf with the one from Xenial.
(Debian Stretch has the same problem, replacing /etc/mke2fs.conf with the Jessie version solves it).

If anyone knows more about this I'd like to know.

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The Flying Cat

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PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2016, 05:34    Post subject:  

Can confirm, new gparted forces 64bit to ext4 thus making grub and extlinux unbootable.

mke2fs.conf from Xenial autodetects if 64 is needed:
ext4 = {
features = has_journal,extent,huge_file,flex_bg,uninit_bg,dir_nlink,extra_isize
auto_64-bit_support = 1


mke2fs.conf from Yakkety forces 64 bit:
ext4 = {
features = has_journal,extent,huge_file,flex_bg,metadata_csum,64bit,dir_nlink,extra_isize


So yes - either importing old mke2fs.conf or just removing '64bit' flag is enough:) Should be fixed in the next release.
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766910
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2016, 06:26    Post subject:  

Could it be there is also a similar problem with Deb-Dog Jessie .?

What i did ......installed grub4Dos with Synaptics .....(in Deb-Dog Jessie )
tried to apply Grub4Dos to an Usb-Stick ....but failed to work as it it used to do .

I blamed it on the Grub4Dos from the Debian Repos.
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PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2016, 18:01    Post subject:  

backi wrote:
Could it be there is also a similar problem with Deb-Dog Jessie .?

What i did ......installed grub4Dos with Synaptics .....(in Deb-Dog Jessie )
tried to apply Grub4Dos to an Usb-Stick ....but failed to work as it it used to do .

I blamed it on the Grub4Dos from the Debian Repos.


Quote:
Could it be there is also a similar problem with Deb-Dog Jessie .?


No, the subject of the last few posts goes only for when running Yakkety or (Debian) Stretch.
Grub4dos package is not from the Debian Repos, it's from the custom DebianDog repository, so blame me Smile
Answered more in detail about grub4dosconfig in the Jessie thread:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=932813#932813

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PostPosted: Sun 20 Nov 2016, 19:20    Post subject:  

Hi Flying Cat, backi, All

Flying Cat,
In case you find the time or feel like updating Yakketydog ISO, I think you should know there's another problem I've found: Logging in as normal user doesn't work.
(btw, same problem I had with DebianDog Stretch and Sid)
Don't know exactly what caused that when doing the upgrade from Xenialdog, maybe xserver-xorg package.

Anyway to fix it, first install the "xserver-xorg-legacy" package and add "needs_root_rights=yes" to /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config so it becomes this:
Code:
allowed_users=console
needs_root_rights=yes

It should work then, not sure if a reboot is required, probably not.

Other subject: backi and everyone,
Here are attached modified conky config files for Xenial and Yakkety.
Difference is in memory usage amount display which is now corresponding with 'free' and 'top' (it's more realistic IMO)
Also made some other improvements IMHO e.g. percentage display
Extract the archive and replace .conkyrc-port and .conkyrc-live in /root

Fred
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